Yet another male privilege

Marx · #1 1st-August-2008

'I was beasted in army training'

Quote:

Three soldiers have been cleared of causing the death of Pte Gavin Williams after an informal Army punishment known as a beasting.
Following the case, a 21-year-old who trained at the same barracks as Pte Williams has spoken to BBC News about his beasting experiences. He asked to remain anonymous.
I joined in 2004, when I was 17, as an infantry private. I did my training in Catterick for 24 weeks and I went to Tidworth for about five or six months.
I moved to Germany after that.
There were these NBC (Nuclear Biological Chemical) kits we had to wear, they were really heavy and you can hardly breathe in them.
I was made to run in that and do press-ups. We ran with rifles over our heads in extreme heat.
This was a punishment if you were late for a parade, if you hadn't done your block jobs, if your locker wasn't up to scratch or if you started mouthing-off to the wrong person.
Psychologically you are messed up and you don't do it (the misdemeanour) again. Physically it leaves you shattered - and these beastings would go on for a long time, hours on end.
Anybody who's got a higher rank than you can order a beasting. This happened at Catterick, Tidworth and Germany. Tidworth and Germany were the worst.
Sometimes you had to bend and squat with a big log on your shoulders - that wasn't general training.
I saw people collapse from heat exhaustion. In all fairness they (senior soldiers) stopped, let them recover and beasted them the next day.
Nobody likes beasting but everyone goes through it from time to time.
A lot of the time it went over the top. Let's say you would all go out for a company run and there's a slow kid that ain't trying, they would get back to camp and they would get beasted. That would be the worst.
There's definitely a clear line between beasting and PT (physical training).
A beasting doesn't do you any physical good, it's punishment. When it comes to the run the next day you are in no state to do it.

A Ministry of Defence (MoD) spokesman said he could not comment on individual cases.
But he added: "The Army's policy is that physical training cannot be given as a punishment, although soldiers in detention are required to do physical training.
"The MoD has introduced a dependent services complaints commissioner that provides an independent route for complaints that do not compromise the chain of command."

Note a couple of odd things about this.

The MoD chap recognises detention as punishment... states that PT cannot be given as punishment... but recognises that PT is given in detention... which is... a punishment...

Also note the BBC upheld their word not to identify the lad they interviewed... but, gives his age and location and background, practically identifying him. Nice one, BBC!

**Percy** · #2 1st-August-2008

"Beasting" indeed.

Slap a label on it so we can all see it is wicked patriarchy at it again.

When a gas bomb falls on his base and he has to wear his NBC kit for six or seven days in the middle of summer in friggin' Iraq, and piss down his legs; and lift heavy wreckage off an injured colleague, straining in near panic to save his legs so he can piss down his pants too; when the chap next to him dies because he was late getting to position and bringing his nasty, heavy, hot NBC kit; ....

then this little shit will know why he had to just do what the fuck he was fucking TOLD to do and not fucking whine about it.

This poor widdle pseudo-man has no integrity. Egocentric little shit. No-one forced him to join the Army. He friggin' volunteered.

Ledburian · #3 1st-August-2008

How nice. How simply spiffing!

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