Thread: Women's sexuality - rape

1.)He put forward the point that women's sexuality and access to their sex is their main weaponry & fall-back in controlling men.

2.)Then made the point that is why rape is so bad for women; becuase it takes away their only source of power over a man.

The point put forward at 1.) may have some partial merit. 'Main' has to be given a 'weight' along with all other relevant factors regarding 'weaponry' to establish its practical relativity.

But the second part at 2.) does not follow from the first.

The statement at 1.) hasn't been established as the 'only source of power over a man'.

It is not a logical syllogism.

I always shake my head in disappointment when MRA make a claim to being logical and then ignore the basic form of logic.

To be fair, the above is not a direct quote... let me get the precise choice of words:

He said: Women use sex as a means of controlling men. For women, sex is a source of power that belongs to them. It's probably one of the reasons behind their fear of rape. They probably see rape as being a threat to their ability to control men via sex.
He said:It would explain why they shame men into thinking rape is equal to murder and that rapists should be castrated. They're more or less trying to emasculate rapists so that other men don't commit rape.
I said: i think you have a good point there
I said: about rape, their power over sex, etc.

There could be sth true about this. Look how a lot of women treat men that don´t want to have sex with them. Maybe because of frustration of loss of power?

I've never understood why rape is AS traumatising as it apparently is. I mean, generally, the pain isn't awful, and often no long-term damage is done to the victim. It's not that I don't respect the fact that it is; I just can't understand why. Don't get me wrong, I'm not with 'Bob', on the matter, or anything like that; I still think it's disgusting and awful, but, as easy as it may be for me to say this, I don't think I'd be traumatised for months on end, should I be raped, yet women who haven't been raped will no doubt still claim that they would be.

Hence, it seems different between the genders, for some reason, and it's this that I can't understand. It does somehow seem to tie in with this whole feministic rubbish about women's bodies being sacred, while men's bodies are considered, well, no consideration is ever given to them.

'Bob' seemed to suggest that it was feministic rape hysteria which made rape seem a big deal at all. Is it possible that all the hysteria regarding rape actually makes it seem even worse for women when they are raped? Not that I'm saying it wouldn't be awful, anyway, but it makes you wonder as to how the levels of traumatisation suffered by female rape victims today, compares to those suffered by their counterparts in the past.

Definitely true that sex is a source of power to many women; whether or not they even realise it, and abuse this. Fact of the matter is, we have so many manginas, mainly because of this power they have over men; men's lust for women leads them to bend over backwards to appease them.

Assuming no physical injuries, rape robs victims of their dignity -- one human being is using another as his or her personal sexual playground, and in that sense it can be devastating. (And I am referring to true rape, not a situation where a woman's reasonable manifestations of assent indicate a willingness to have sex despite the fact she might be secretly, subjectively conflicted.)

But I suspect that most men, if given the terrible choice, would choose to be actually raped than to have a false rape clam made against them, with the attendant prison term that could stretch for decades, the public humilation (as opposed to the liar's anonymity) and destruction of his good name, the loss of friends and mistrust of family. A false rape claim will strip a man of his dignity in a way worse than any physical assault could because not only is another individual -- the false accuser -- purposefully harming him and using him as her plaything, but she is able to call upon the state apparatus to assist her in the innocent man's destruction. Short of murder, a false rape accusation can be the worst thing that can happen to anyone.

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Assuming no physical injuries, rape robs victims of their dignity -- one human being is using another as his or her personal sexual playground, and in that sense it can be devastating.

From a strictly personal point of view, this would be blowing it out of proportion.

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But I suspect that most men, if given the terrible choice, would choose to be actually raped than to have a false rape clam made against them, with the attendant prison term that could stretch for decades, the public humilation (as opposed to the liar's anonymity) and destruction of his good name, the loss of friends and mistrust of family.

Even if I knew I'd ultimately be let off, I'd still rather be raped; mud sticks.

Somebody edit my post, please. Please?

Anyway, I'd rather be raped, I think, even if I knew no mud would stick; just to spare myself the period of time during which I was under suspicion. It's not that I don't respect the trauma rape victims go through; I just don't see why it's any more traumatising than, say, being beaten up. Generally, the pain and physical pain sustained will be less severe. To me, rape just seems disgusting, more than anything.

But, hey, this is just me.......

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It's not that I don't respect the trauma rape victims go through; I just don't see why it's any more traumatising than, say, being beaten up.

Well after you have been beaten up you don´t have the risk to get pregnant or stds for example. And I guess that would drive me crazy if I would be a female rape victim. Buying pregnancy tests and hoping not to be pregnant. Or the fear of having hiv. If I am correct you have to wait 3 month till it can be detected. Another point is that your sexual drive will probably go away. To think that someone could steal such an important part away from you. Oh and heres other stuff that wiki says:

After being raped it is common for the victim to experience intense, and sometimes unpredictable, emotions, and they may find it hard to deal with their memories of the event. Victims can be severely traumatized by the assault and may have difficulty functioning as well as they had been used to prior to the assault, with disruption of concentration, sleeping patterns and eating habits, for example. They may feel jumpy or be on edge. In the month(s) immediately following the assault these problems may be severe and very upsetting and may prevent the victim from revealing their ordeal to friends or family, or seeking police or medical assistance. This may result in Acute Stress Disorder. Symptoms of this are:

• feeling numb and detached, like being in a daze or a dream, or feeling that the world is strange and unreal
• difficulty remembering important parts of the assault
• reliving the assault through repeated thoughts, memories, or nightmares
• avoidance of things, places, thoughts, and/or feelings that remind the victim of the assault
• anxiety or increased arousal (difficulty sleeping, concentrating, etc.)
• avoidance of social life or place of rape

It can also cause Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). However while the effects of rape can be truly horrible, and can impact some survivors' ability to function, it is important to remember that a survivor's response to rape is as unique and different as every person is. In fact a survivor may not have any of these responses to the rape, or they may have them, but not immediately following the assault. It's important to remember that there is no one correct way for a survivor of assault to respond to it.


Gynecological

Common physical injuries received by rape victims include:[1] [2]

• vaginal bleeding or infection
• fibroids
• decreased sexual desire
• genital irritation
• pain during intercourse
• chronic pelvic pain
• urinary tract infections

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects..._and_aftermath

I think the vast majority of guys recognise that rape is a terrible crime... but to compare it to murder? That's where my annoyance with it comes in. It is nowhere close to murder.

Let me try to explain it from a woman's point of view.


**WARNING: DRAMA**


We are physically weaker than you. We go through life trusting that you won't use your strength against us. Being overpowered and having something put IN you, in the place that is supposed to be used in love and trust, in the place where your fertility is, where you feel your children moving inside of you and their passage into the world, well, it's betrayal on a grand scale. It's a feeling of utter and complete powerlessness, and insignificance.


As for rape being worse than murder...I used to think rape was worse, but now I think that rape CAN be worse. It depends entirely on the circumstances - who did it, their relationship to you, how others handled it, pregnancy, std's, how old you were when it happened, whether it was a one-time thing, etc.

It can be devastating psychologically. If a person is able to get help (if needed), heal, and move on, then murder is infinitely worse. If not, they're stuck in a distorted sense of reality. Forgive me for the drama, but the agony of that can be overwhelming, and death does seem preferable at times.

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Well after you have been beaten up you don´t have the risk to get pregnant or stds for example. And I guess that would drive me crazy if I would be a female rape victim. Buying pregnancy tests and hoping not to be pregnant. Or the fear of having hiv. If I am correct you have to wait 3 month till it can be detected.

But you have these fears, merely after unprotected sex.

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After being raped it is common for the victim to experience intense, and sometimes unpredictable, emotions, and they may find it hard to deal with their memories of the event. Victims can be severely traumatized by the assault and may have difficulty functioning as well as they had been used to prior to the assault, with disruption of concentration, sleeping patterns and eating habits, for example. They may feel jumpy or be on edge. In the month(s) immediately following the assault these problems may be severe and very upsetting and may prevent the victim from revealing their ordeal to friends or family, or seeking police or medical assistance. This may result in Acute Stress Disorder. Symptoms of this are:

• feeling numb and detached, like being in a daze or a dream, or feeling that the world is strange and unreal
• difficulty remembering important parts of the assault
• reliving the assault through repeated thoughts, memories, or nightmares
• avoidance of things, places, thoughts, and/or feelings that remind the victim of the assault
• anxiety or increased arousal (difficulty sleeping, concentrating, etc.)
• avoidance of social life or place of rape

It can also cause Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). However while the effects of rape can be truly horrible, and can impact some survivors' ability to function, it is important to remember that a survivor's response to rape is as unique and different as every person is. In fact a survivor may not have any of these responses to the rape, or they may have them, but not immediately following the assault. It's important to remember that there is no one correct way for a survivor of assault to respond to it.

But I can't help thinking "why?". I still think that rape is sickening, but honestly just can't appreciate the reasons why it affects victims so much. Christ, if a WOMAN raped me, I swear I'd not feel any negative effects, other than that it was wrong for her to do what she did. Seems absurd to compare rape to murder; I really can't believe that victims are often traumatised terribly FOR YEARS after the event, so at least they can, within time, go back to leading at least half-normal a life. But murder victims? Their lives are over, full-stop, and their family and friends never see them again.

There's simply no comparison. Of course, feminists will argue that there is, but then, it is a crime predominantly male against female, so, naturally, they'll say it's worse; Christ, they act as if a man LOOKING at a woman in the wrong way is worse than murder.

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We are physically weaker than you. We go through life trusting that you won't use your strength against us.

But men are far more likely to vent their aggression against other men, than they are women; men should be fearing other men, more than women should be fearing men.

I think with rape, as with all forms of sexual abuse, the damage tends to be more emotional than physical. While there can be physical damage, generally that's quickly healed, it's the emotional trauma that is the hardest to overcome.

As far as rape being comparable to murder, no, I don't think it is. I think the feminist hysteria lies in that, no matter how many misandric, anti-male laws they pass, they still can't change the fact that, being physically stronger, if a man chose to rape a woman, he could. In the end, as KM stated, women being safe from rape is at the will of and dependant on the humanity of men.....I think THAT, above all else, is what drives their hysteria.