Women, keep drinking
This is a discussion on Women, keep drinking within the Chit chat (MAIN) anti misandry forums, part of the Introduction to anti misandry category; I spotted this interesting story whilst perusing the site 'spiked.' This journalistic piece lends credence to how well-meaning and feminist ...
- 10th-March-2009 #1
Women, keep drinking
I spotted this interesting story whilst perusing the site 'spiked.'
This journalistic piece lends credence to how well-meaning and feminist-minded academics alike, are engaging in quasi-experimental research to show tentative correlation with female cancers - with just about anything women do short of farting (that might be next?) in their overexertion to highlight female cancers.
There's probably distant alien civilisations that 'are aware' of breast and cervical cancer, such is the effectiveness of it's campaigning awareness. Yet our own governments can barely spell prostate and testicular cancer, let alone commit to investing the most meagre of resources to it!
We all know about feminisms legendary propensity to engage in misleading and fraudulent studies, but is this approach becoming more indicative of women throughout all the sciences, especially when anything relates to the sexes?
Take note of the shoddy methodology employed in this so-called "study."
Women, keep drinking | spiked
Tuesday 3 March 2009
Basham and Luik
Women, keep drinking
Why was a flimsy study apparently showing a link between booze and breast cancer so uncritically accepted?
For over a decade, a constant stream of studies has warned women who drink that they run an increased risk of getting certain cancers, particularly breast cancer. But this steady stream of anti-drinks advice last week gave way to a global torrent when two new studies about the link between drinking and cancer in women received huge, and typically uncritical, international media attention.
The study that attracted the most attention is sponsored by Cancer Research UK and was published in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. The lead researcher, Naomi Allen from Oxford University, told the Guardian: ‘Given that this is the largest study in the world to look at this, it’s clear that even at low levels of alcohol consumption, there does seem to be a very significant increase in cancer risk, and most women are probably not aware of that.’
Allen came across with even scarier news for Americans, telling the Washington Post that the ‘take-home message’ was this: ‘If you are regularly drinking even one drink per day, that’s increasing your risk for cancer [since] there doesn’t seem to be a threshold at which alcohol consumption is safe.’
One can’t help but wonder just what Allen herself has been drinking in the Senior Common Room at Oxford. After all, her public pronouncements, her recommendations to government, and the reports about her study in the media are certainly not supported by her results.
First, Allen’s study is an observational one, based on data from the UK’s Million Women Study, which is a study about the association between Hormone Replacement Therapy and cancer and heart disease. Allen’s study comes from self-reports about the drinking habits of women in that study.
This means that the study, as an observational study – the weakest kind of epidemiological endeavour and certainly nothing close to the gold standard of a randomised controlled trial – is inherently unable to draw any causal conclusions about a link between drinking and cancer.
Second, the study fails to meet even the most basic requirement of science – that is, being able to validate its measurements – since it is entirely based on the women’s self-reports of their recollection of their drinking. None of these reports was checked and the authors can make no claim about how reliable they are. No one knows how much or how little these women really drank since no one bothered to measure it.
This makes any conclusions based on such ‘evidence’ just a tad dicey. At its foundation, therefore, the study can’t warrant that any of its data about the key fact – the drinking habits of its subjects – is accurate.
However, the worst is yet to come.
Third, the study is full of significant puzzles that suggest that its results are unreliable. For example, it reports that the incidence of all types of cancer studied in its non-drinking subjects was 5.7 per cent compared with 5.3 per cent for those subjects who had at least a drink a day, and up to 14 drinks a week.
In other words, not only was there no dose-response in terms of cancer risk, but teetotallers had a higher population incidence of cancer than those consuming up to 14 drinks a week!
Even those women in the study who drank the most (15 or more drinks a week) had a cancer incidence of 5.8 per cent, which is virtually identical to those who drank nothing. But this particular take-home message somehow escaped Allen’s notice, and that of the media as well.
Fourth, the study looked at 21 types of cancer incidence. Of these, it found statistically significant associations between drinking and only four types of cancer. Moreover, these associations were barely significant.
The association with breast cancer, with by far the largest number of cases in the study (almost 22,000), was non-significant. Therefore, of the cancer-drinking correlations examined, virtually none was statistically significant.
What is the real take-home message of this study? Perhaps it should be to avoid drinking policy advice produced by Oxford epidemiologists.
Patrick Basham and John Luik are authors, with Gio Gori, of Diet Nation: Exposing the Obesity Crusade, a Social Affairs Unit book. (Buy this book from Amazon(UK).) Patrick Basham directs the Democracy Institute and is a Cato Institute adjunct scholar. John Luik is a Democracy Institute senior fellow.
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Re: Women, keep drinking
This kind of stuff really irritates me. I mean, there are plenty of real physical dangers of drinking whether you're a short-term (once-in-awhile) drinker or a regular (chronic) drinker...so why make shit up? Why not concentrate on what we actually already know to be true? Hysteria generally will have the opposite effect eventually...create hysteria about non-existent links between breast cancer and drinking, next thing you know, people aren't going to pay attention to real dangers, like liver damage and brain damage...they're gonna think it's all a bunch of hype.
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- 10th-March-2009 #3
Re: Women, keep drinking
Indeed Tera.
Bad academics such as this woman create a lack of confidence in associated data, and it doesn't do other women any favours by imparting information which is misleading (and yes, creating unnecessary panic) to say the least. Not too mention the money (wasted?) spent on her education, training and the study itself, which would have been better utilised by someone with more academic integrity.
I would like to see academia and the sciences purged of all it's quacks, ideologues, incompetents, corrupted, avaricious, frauds and political correctoids - to reinstall a degree of credibility - lest it's publications be forever banished to mere fanicful tales of fiction.Last edited by Celtic Druid; 10th-March-2009 at 11:01 PM.
The wicked flee when none pursueth. Proverbs 28:1
'Rise like Lions after slumber In unvanquishable number - Shake your chains to earth like dew Which in sleep had fallen on you - Ye are many - they are few.'
Percy Bysshe Shelley
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. "
Thomas Jefferson
The internet has been a lifeboat for men's opposition to the floodings of feminism.
Celtic Druid
- 11th-March-2009 #4
Re: Women, keep drinking
I strongly advise women to keep drinkin, cuz if you stop it might lead to this condidtion known as sobriety
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Re: Women, keep drinking
"Civilization can only revive when there shall come into being in a number of individuals a new tone of mind, independent of the prevalent one among the crowds, and in opposition to it- a tone of mind which will gradually win influence over the collective one, and in the end determine its character. Only an ethical movement can rescue us from barbarism, and the ethical comes into existence only in individuals."
"Until he extends his circle of compassion to include all living things, man will not himself find peace."-Albert Schweitzer
- 11th-March-2009 #6
Re: Women, keep drinking
its not bad if you are just sober cuz you dont feel like doin shit
I hate it when I got to quit toking for a job piss test or something
its like torture
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Re: Women, keep drinking
Giving up pot was hard for me, too...but hey...if you abstain long enough ...it stops feeling like "torture"
It's only semi-torture now if I can smell the stuff....after five years of not smoking the smell of really good pot still makes my mouth water
Sometimes I wonder if that effect will ever go awayLast edited by Incognito; 11th-March-2009 at 08:33 PM.
"Civilization can only revive when there shall come into being in a number of individuals a new tone of mind, independent of the prevalent one among the crowds, and in opposition to it- a tone of mind which will gradually win influence over the collective one, and in the end determine its character. Only an ethical movement can rescue us from barbarism, and the ethical comes into existence only in individuals."
"Until he extends his circle of compassion to include all living things, man will not himself find peace."-Albert Schweitzer
- 11th-March-2009 #8
Re: Women, keep drinking
Ill quit smokin weed when IM six foot under
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Re: Women, keep drinking
""We all know about feminisms legendary propensity to engage in misleading and fraudulent studies, but is this approach becoming more indicative of women throughout all the sciences, especially when anything relates to the sexes? ""
I take feminit studies with a grain of salt as would the Jews have taken studies of Jewishness during the Third Reich by Goebbels
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