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    Sex and/or marriage shouldn't be a boxing match.

    "Civilization can only revive when there shall come into being in a number of individuals a new tone of mind, independent of the prevalent one among the crowds, and in opposition to it- a tone of mind which will gradually win influence over the collective one, and in the end determine its character. Only an ethical movement can rescue us from barbarism, and the ethical comes into existence only in individuals."

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    I agree with this, too. Sadly, not everyone comes from a family that instills values and morals. Too many fall through the cracks. Rescuing people, in and of itself, is probably useless. People need to be taught how to help themselves. In the absence of being taught this as a child, some may not learn until well into adulthood, if ever.
    True. It's something that the school system ought to look at implementing into its curriculum.

    TERA and Kim,

    The pair of you seem to be good women. It's a pity that the majority of women in society aren't more like you two.
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    The men's movement can wrangle it away from the feminazis.



    The problem is it doesn't do so.



    True. The problem is the model you're referring to won't work today because a lot of children are raised in fatherless homes.
    Well, they will act as a good bad example! There are also many other good men who could do similar stuff, and many of those fatherless kids would be able to be reunited with dads forced out when he can return without the state thugs beating him down..

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    TERA and Kim,

    The pair of you seem to be good women. It's a pity that the majority of women in society aren't more like you two.
    Thanks, Chris. It is sad indeed what has become of women in today's society.
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    That would be an enormous leap from what I said. I think the government should enforce laws regarding murder, theft and violent crime, regardless of what gender they are perpetrated by or perpetrated against. Morality, virtue, charity, integrity....these things belong in our homes and in our communties, not in the hands of our government.
    In my opinion, the tactics women use to control men ought to be considered illegal. Only God knows how much damage has been caused by the tactics women use to control men.
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    True. It's something that the school system ought to look at implementing into its curriculum.

    TERA and Kim,

    The pair of you seem to be good women. It's a pity that the majority of women in society aren't more like you two.
    Thanks, Chris. I think you'll find that most of us on this site really do care about men's rights, even if we all have different ideas about how to go about getting to common goals, or even if we sometimes argue about what the goals should be.

    "Civilization can only revive when there shall come into being in a number of individuals a new tone of mind, independent of the prevalent one among the crowds, and in opposition to it- a tone of mind which will gradually win influence over the collective one, and in the end determine its character. Only an ethical movement can rescue us from barbarism, and the ethical comes into existence only in individuals."

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    Well, they will act as a good bad example! There are also many other good men who could do similar stuff, and many of those fatherless kids would be able to be reunited with dads forced out when he can return without the state thugs beating him down..
    True. The problem is how many of those kids will have been poisoned for life by the feminazi system they were raised under?
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    In my opinion, the tactics women use to control men ought to be considered illegal. Only God knows how much damage has been caused by the tactics women use to control men.
    Well, I will agree that they are shameful and disgusting. Of course, if mothers taught their daughters kindness, charity and humility instead of empowerment and materialism, the world would be a very different place.
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    Some state control is necessary for the order, peace, and organization of society. Without any, there would be chaos.
    The clergy acted as the state in Medieval Europe. Women's sexuality was repressed by the clergy. Society wasn't as chaotic when women's sexuality was kept under control by the clergy.

    Therefore, I don't see the problem with using the state to control women's sexuality. It's the only thing that'll work now because the church no longer holds much power.
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    The clergy acted as the state in Medieval Europe. Women's sexuality was repressed by the clergy. Society wasn't as chaotic when women's sexuality was kept under control by the clergy.

    Therefore, I don't see the problem with using the state to control women's sexuality. It's the only thing that'll work now because the church no longer holds much power.
    I would agree with that idea if I was to be in charge of the womens prisons..

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    The clergy acted as the state in Medieval Europe. Women's sexuality was repressed by the clergy. Society wasn't as chaotic when women's sexuality was kept under control by the clergy.

    Therefore, I don't see the problem with using the state to control women's sexuality. It's the only thing that'll work now because the church no longer holds much power.
    The problems comes with difference in sex drives as well. The state should force everyone to take drugs that eliminate the sex drive. Enforcing chasity belts would make people want to take those drugs. If persons proofed to be fit enough for reproduction and decided to marry they would be allowed to have sex and to reproduce. Wouldn´t that be beautiful and solve all the sex manipulating and probably rape problems as well?

    Okay the sexless marriage problems will probably increase but well, no more manipulation!
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    in Medieval Europe. Women's sexuality was repressed by the clergy
    This is an oft trotted out nag that just can't run a furlong.

    The Clergy were at continual 'war' with powerful aristocracies throughout the Medaeval period. Their 'control' over the populous was weak and fractured and there was an unprecedented reformation going on well before the period that has the name. 'Religions' competed. The amount of 'control' or rather lack of it is apparant in all the horrors that occured.

    The reality of most of the last two millenia at least is a 'control' of women by women themselves. The 'Women's mafia' has always made the rules for women. Men, even clergymen, have always been very appreciative of women's freely disporting themselves and the resultant rumpy pumpy. It has always been the 'older' women who have been censorious.

    If MRAs are to get anywhere at all it has to stop grabbing hold of the hundreds of artificial, mendacious threads of blame that women project out onto any handy whipping post; blame which deflects from women.

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    This is an oft trotted out nag that just can't run a furlong.

    The Clergy were at continual 'war' with powerful aristocracies throughout the Medaeval period. Their 'control' over the populous was weak and fractured and there was an unprecedented reformation going on well before the period that has the name. 'Religions' competed. The amount of 'control' or rather lack of it is apparant in all the horrors that occured.

    The reality of most of the last two millenia at least is a 'control' of women by women themselves. The 'Women's mafia' has always made the rules for women. Men, even clergymen, have always been very appreciative of women's freely disporting themselves and the resultant rumpy pumpy. It has always been the 'older' women who have been censorious.

    If MRAs are to get anywhere at all it has to stop grabbing hold of the hundreds of artificial, mendacious threads of blame that women project out onto any handy whipping post; blame which deflects from women.
    The clergy used the doctrines of religion to repress women's sexuality. Society followed the clergy's stance on women's sexuality because religion doctrine was viewed as the law. The majority of people obeyed the scriptures because they thought it was the only way to enter Heaven. Of the few persons who knew they didn't need to follow the scriptures in order to excape eternal damnation, the vast majority never denounced the scriptures because doing so could have led to them being burnt alive at the stake.
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    The clergy used the doctrines of religion to repress women's sexuality. Society followed the clergy's stance on women's sexuality because religion doctrine was viewed as the law. The majority of people obeyed the scriptures because they thought it was the only way to enter Heaven. Of the few persons who knew they didn't need to follow the scriptures in order to excape eternal damnation, the vast majority never dounced the scriptures because doing so could lead to them being burnt alive at the stake.
    What about men's sexuality? Should it be "controlled by the state" as well?

    "Civilization can only revive when there shall come into being in a number of individuals a new tone of mind, independent of the prevalent one among the crowds, and in opposition to it- a tone of mind which will gradually win influence over the collective one, and in the end determine its character. Only an ethical movement can rescue us from barbarism, and the ethical comes into existence only in individuals."

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    What about men's sexuality? Should it be "controlled by the state" as well?
    It already is "controlled by the state".
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