did anyone watch wifeswap on channel 4 last night?

i found it fascinating how little attention they paid to the little boy who was growing up with the self-centred pole dancing, independant mother.

she really was the mother from hell, what a wierd combination, a female independant pole dancer, single parent, she obviously prefered the company of her daughter than her son. She was teaching her daughter that it was ok too pole dance and that she should use her sexuality as a means of getting ahead in the world.

what does all this suggest to her poor 13 year old son? he will grow up learning that his mother uses her sexuality to get men, that he cannot do the same thing, that she does not feel it is worth having a man around the house. Where is he supposed to learn that he fits in?

he doesn't. His mother doesnt care about him, her anti-male principles are too important to her.

they swapped with a woman who was very male-orientated, and she made the sister clean his room during the week. he obviously did not understand very well why this woman, was in favour of him being male. It was so alien to him that it was actually OK to be male. I guess life for him was all about his mother, her wants and her desires.

later they interviewed them in E4 and she took her daughter with her. Nobody mentioned the fact that she was a pathetic mother to her son. Nobody even noticed him.

did anyone watch wifeswap on channel 4 last night?

i found it fascinating how little attention they paid to the little boy who was growing up with the self-centred pole dancing, independant mother.

she really was the mother from hell, what a wierd combination, a female independant pole dancer, single parent, she obviously prefered the company of her daughter than her son. She was teaching her daughter that it was ok too pole dance and that she should use her sexuality as a means of getting ahead in the world.

what does all this suggest to her poor 13 year old son? he will grow up learning that his mother uses her sexuality to get men, that he cannot do the same thing, that she does not feel it is worth having a man around the house. Where is he supposed to learn that he fits in?

he doesn't. His mother doesnt care about him, her anti-male principles are too important to her.

they swapped with a woman who was very male-orientated, and she made the sister clean his room during the week. he obviously did not understand very well why this woman, was in favour of him being male. It was so alien to him that it was actually OK to be male. I guess life for him was all about his mother, her wants and her desires.

later they interviewed them in E4 and she took her daughter with her. Nobody mentioned the fact that she was a pathetic mother to her son. Nobody even noticed him.

Let's see, a selfish ignorant skank, there's a role model - any odds on whether the boy will be anti-social? oh wait our taxes will look after him, you go girl

Let's see, a selfish ignorant skank, there's a role model - any odds on whether the boy will be anti-social? oh wait our taxes will look after him, you go girl

I'm fully in favor of licensing procedures to have kids. We really need to work on both male and female contraception technology so that having children is only done deliberately, and only by people capable of providing a good upbringing. It should help resolve the abortion issue as well.

Sounds extreme, I know. But we have a very serious global overpopulation problem lurking around the corner. The day is drawing near when childbirth will need to be regulated. (Unless effective male contraception mitigates the problem enough on its own - especially in the 3rd world countries.)

That, or all the idiots can stop all the damn rutting! I doubt that will happen... Much more of a sure thing to render them reversibly sterile.

Global 'underpopulation' problem you mean.

Nope... I meant what I said.

The planet can only provide so many resources. A few principled individuals declining to have children will not offset all the rutting in 3rd world countries. It will not offset the rutting of people who have no business reproducing in the first place (e.g., welfare recipients with 8 kids by 8 different men).

See, more posts like this would be a good thing from you, FC. Carry on!

well have you seen that film 'about a boy' with hugh grant?

the woman in wife swap was a bit like the mother in that film.

she loves her son alot, but she knows nothing about his emotional needs. in fact, she only thinks about her own. she teaches him nothing about how a young boy will be treated in secondary school if he is not taught how to defend himself.

i think alot of you have bad experiences in schools and learn that to survive you cannot show any weakness.. but then, when you leave school, you continue it, when its not neccesary anymore. how are women ever going to learn about what men need when all they here is 'we are big tough men, etc' it turns women off. while you are spouting off about how tough you are, they are looking at the fact you have not washed your clothes in two weeks..

its a bit of a contradiction

It has nothing to do with bad experiences in school. And it is totaly important for men not to show weakness ever. The fact that women don't like it or is a turn off makes no difference. A mna being tough is only thought of as bad to women and manginas and only when it suits them. I as a man am very happy being tough and capable maybe my veiw of this comes from serving in war I don't know. But I say to men out there that just because a woman doesn't like you being tough or or anything else that makes you feel safe secure or just plain happy to be a man it isn't wrong. Throw off the yoke that women place on us and feel free to be a man and don't apologize for it. Because they have no problems acting like women and they sure won't repent for it or change for us.

Hear Hear. Well said!

No, I haven't - I generally avoid Hugh Grant films because he is a such pompous tit.

WHEN have women wanted to know what men need? I don't see ANY articles from men or women guiding them, in all of my relationships it has primarily been about what she has needed/wanted - and in my wife's case, it was the only thing. My needs were not even secondary as her so-called mother's wants (not needs) were taken care of before her own husbands.

My clothes get washed on a bi-daily basis, thanks.

The notion of overpopulation is wholly incorrect. Even third world nations, many of whom are still reeling from Aids and other pandemics, are showing little or no growth. The fact of the matter is that these third world nations will have huge blocks of land to occupy in areas like Europe, North America and Russia especially - overpopulation problem solved.

Here is some commentary on the problem of 'underpopulation' for your perusal:


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30 April 2007
Population decline

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What are the implications for a world where the population has peaked?
Author Philip Longman explains that contrary to popular belief; global population is on a downward trend. He also looks at the political ramifications in the US where conservatives appear to have a higher fertility rate.

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Michael Duffy: For much of my life the spectre of increasing population has influenced a great deal of public debate on many issues, particularly in the international arena. However, populations are now in decline in many countries, which raises some other interesting questions. Our next guest is Philip Longman, a senior fellow at a free market think-tank called the New America Foundation. He's author of the book The Empty Cradle.

Philip, welcome to the program. Let's start with birth rates around the world, not just in the west. What's the trend?

Philip Longman: Down, everywhere in the world. Fertility is falling. It's actually falling fastest where most people think it's rising the most, which is the Middle East, but really it's pretty much an unbroken picture, including most of the Third World these days.

Michael Duffy: I guess that will surprise many of our listeners who associate falling birth rates with prosperity. Why is it falling in other parts of the world?

Philip Longman: I think it's a number of factors. The first big mega-trend is that we're now approaching the point where 50% of the world's population lives in cities, and when you go from being a peasant out in the countryside to living in a city, the economics of childrearing change dramatically. Children are no longer an economic asset, they are more often an economic liability. So that's a big thing. Exposure of television, globally, global media in general puts images of rich people living the good life in the cities and people notice that they don't have many children or when they do have children they're rushed away by nannies, so there's an imitation effect too. People come to think it's sophisticated to have small families. And of course there's contraception.

Michael Duffy: How big a change is this? I mean, are we approaching the point when the world's population will actually start to decline?

Philip Longman: That is foreseeable. The population of small children is already declining, but we've got a lot of momentum; for the world as a whole we're at about 6 billion folks n