I have my own fears that men have to change in many ways before they succeed in anything against the feminists..

The main problem with MRA's is the ego battling. They seem to prefer infighting to fighting the enemy... My own forum is suffering from such..

Unity is important Men are definitely their own worst enemies at times.
Some of that stirring up trouble you are suffering from could be from infiltrators.
It maybe possible for you to identify the culprits and weed them out.
We have men from all backgrounds ages etc. and with the best will in the world you will still get skirmishes.Maybe if you find the common ground and focus on that.This site seems to keep it very civil and is very supportive.I would say do what you can and dont worry Drex
We have to believe we will suceed.Hope in spite of all.

Indeed, but the worst case scenario often happens and I have seen it too many times in recent years..

Men get along very well, co-operate and do great stuff, then, when times get hard, they turn on each other and personality clashes ensue..

Saw it destroy F4J in the UK and know of many men who have feel pained by the wounds inflicted by those they once believed where comrades..

Fact is, much of this is normal and if men would simply swallow a bit of pride and realise that they have fallen into a trap that they need not be in, then these fine folk would be able to let bygones be bygones and move on..

But no, many decide to no longer communicate..

A fatal flaw for many men that they must get over..

We all make mistakes, errors of judegement or whatever, but we have to move on..

There are few survivors in this game, and those that stick around are either able to do so by..

1) Taking on feminisms ideals and trying to make mens groups do so.. (Too many folk to mention do this within what one would think are "mens" groups"..)

2) Keeping aloof from the fray.. Not being dragged into the personal clashes..

3) Blundering ahead and hoping for the best.. I think folk like Matt O Connor seem to be good examples of this! No matter how many times he throws in the towel, he never really goes away for good! (Pity he is also guilty of taking option 1 above!)..

Aye, i think maybe we will eventually get where we are going.. or at least, get on the right tracks..

Fingers crossed!

I too believe that men have a propensity to compete with and out-do each other. Many MRAs fall in to that trap. But it's a hazard only insofar as collective action by MRAs is concerned. I've seen MRAs make a lot of progress when they just set out on their own and lead. Any other men who are inspired by the action of the leader can then identify an unmet need, and (as an individual) lead on that issue. Our movement can advance like that. Of course, collective cooperation is still very effective when it can be held together. It's not the only way. The MGTOW philosophy has been very effective in my view, playing off the strength of the individuality in men while remaining open to collective action.

MRA's love to fightclub.... it's what makes our DNA valuable to the survival of humanity.

But, what is missing is a national/international men's rights focus.

All it would take is for one presidential candidate to articulate men's issues.

Hillary? Obama? McCain? Guiliany?

Unlikely.

Until men's rights are recognized via a mass media VOICE, it will continue to be 'netsturbation....

Feminism must surely now reap the harvest of misery it has sown.

But make no mistake that men will yet again unfortunately be the ones who will have to pay the highest price for this failed social experiment.

First off, back-bitting is not all bad. Those who have lead the movement in the last decades have some answering to do, as well as some thanks. I would like to hear a run down of mistakes by all these leaders (so as to help the movement not continue the ways that haven't worked) , a measure of responibilty for these mistakes on their part, and then a stepping aside to let someone else in their OWN groups have a go at it. Don't hold you breathe waiting!

Second, Men take little differences, or mistakes, and blow them out of all proportion. This is rightly stated by Celtic Druid (or his admired thinker, I've still haven't gotten an answer on that).

Thirdly, the system has had an effect on our upbringing. Mangina men are in bigger numbers for a reason! The Selectors ( a Ska group with half the band filled with black members) was called Nazis in the 80s because every youthful movement (dangerous or not) gets hammared with the Angry White Male cliche! This backs off everyone from politics, and leaves the ground to those doing the slandering.

Our ancestors killed the true Nazis, and instead they and us get called Nazis at the drop of a hat. We can't back away from begin slandered, for there is no where to go!

Anna Freud and others established ways to keep men disunified at the highest levels. While her cousin and Hollywood have appealed to the 60s ideas of individualism to make manliness something that means DIY!! Manliness is both DYI and fanitical cooperation.

While effeminacy (on the other hand) is fake individualism (clothes, music, talk, constant "new me" mystic revolutions of the self- that really don't change anything but-clothes, music, talk, constant new me mystic revolutions). And with cooperation it is weakness too ( "I agree with you", until I'm with someone else, or out the door, and then it's back to my solipsisim).

We have men who think stubboness is manly, and others who think they are individuals because they have some outward showy BS outside issue. Any outward show of difference is a good step to building confidence, but it must be followed by deeper character building, and not followed by the next fad.

Women & Manginas have a thin skin/ men a thick one. W & M are emotional (or tyraniical souls)/ men at their best are logical, honorable and loyal (women are disproportionately weak with these traits because of their overriding fear compass). Men are inventive and have boundless energy/ women work less and talk up a big storm.

Choosing your battles is manily, never fighting and always back-barking and back-biting is effeminate. We all need to agree on sometime we must by going all the way in the right battle, and teach when to fight and what are male traits, because the system has played head games in telling us female traits are better than these males traits stated above. It is hard slow work but this thick-skinned forum is making headway.

Feminism (also Political Correctness) are one of the most destructive forces in modern times. As this study points out Feminism labeled a ’society killer’, Population Research Institute , Feminism destroys societies, possibly civilizations and it's doomed.
In a worst case scenario if nothing changes then Feminism will either drag all countries that have adopted it down the gutter, or people with a different approach to things in life will take over the reigns and reshape western values in such a way that it is sustainable again, but less recognizable.

I'm a optimistic person so like said {Dr David Banner} the truth can't be suppressed all the time and will eventually come out. Feminism would run around rampant and unchallenged without Men's Right's organizations to counter it. So the growth of Men's Rights organizations is a good indicator.

In a worst case scenario if nothing changes then Feminism will either drag all countries that have adopted it down the gutter, or people with a different approach to things in life will take over the reigns and reshape western values in such a way that it is sustainable again, but less recognizable.

That's exactly what I had in mind, when I said that it will be men again, who will have to pay the highest price. Such social changes never occur without masses of men being killed (sure, it's not only men dying, but they are a majority).

Anna Freud and others established ways to keep men disunified at the highest levels. While her cousin and Hollywood have appealed to the 60s ideas of individualism to make manliness something that means DIY!! Manliness is both DYI and fanitical cooperation.

Timo could you elaborate on this: Anna Freud
is she the daughter of Clement Freud did she used to appear on the British media a lot -or someone else?. How did she adopt this strategy?
The more I delve to mens sites the more treachery I discover reported,thats why they are of value.You and George Rolph rightly point out the need for action and so we will. The better informed of their games and schemes the more effective we will be.

Great post timocrat, explains a lot!

Dear Doc B,
The very long series can be found here



It's called the Century of the Self. Anna like many people fleeing Europe feared any rise of organized men, for what happened to her and others on the mainland. Therefore she took an already deeply troubled science and along with her cousin lead us to following those in the population who follow their emotions for anything new with an air of individualism (effeminate mysticism in my opinion).

The fact that our male English speaking peoples traditions have been the exception to such factors found in the east, is not to be found in any argument put forth. Such defences are deconstructed by Fabianists in their drive for political power at any cost, and their familiarity breeds contempt of their own culture.

Both wings of this Freud family influence have allowed traditional male leadership to be surpressed all the same by the simple scare of the angry white male slogan at anything that merely isn't under control of the political class.

Found in history books is the idea that a society runs best when the political leadership class has a mix of foxes and lions types, and at the same time a population filled with much more lions types. Lions being frugal, respectful of long held traditions & religions ( not merely of fads of one generation only) and patriarchy.

Yet Manginas and effeminate rule is the rule of the fox class( too many of them in leadership), and in too great of numbers spells problem for the state temporarily, but found in the population as a whole ( as we have now) and in the leadership at the same time spells ruin on a grand scale! These are not my ideas alone, but are problems described in detail, or touched on, by James Burnham, Pareto, Sorel, Machievelii, Mosca and myself in my book.

The only thing that can stop this in many lion men, and much fewer fox men, gathering together in cooperation to attempt to reestablish the balance. This will be very hard in deed for our traditions are a mess, and that is why we center at HN on honor/honour, for it lies under philosophy/theology, but is intemeshed with it( so to try and remove it for them is to gut these higher truths all together).

Women are ruled by fears (rationalized ones or real ones) and are very limited in the kind of honor they can have. They have a religion that they worship, which is called solipsisim (credit Brad with this find), and they will use it to bring down the state as they selfishly use all to worship this world of theirs using their fears to push everyone around indirectly( think Medusa).

This allows them to change any well run church, state and family to their way, that until patriarchy arose (when men discovered they had something to do with the birth of children) was called the Stone Age. This Stone Age (read: Garbage Generation) had men coming and going from different matriarchial run homes, which can still be found in Africa, and slowly but surely all over the western world.

Sorry for so much at once, but time isn't on our side.

Timocrat -- "Sorry for so much at once, but time isn't on our side."

I respectfully beg to differ.

Time is indeed on our side.

The marriage rate is severely depressed, because men are getting wise to the marital family court divorce industry scam.

Young women, who now comprise 60% of all university enrollments, are finding it difficult to locate a suitable "marry up" hubby prospect.

Never-married women over 40 are desperate and are starting to understand that they will NEVER be married.

Divorced women who initiated their divorce and assumed they would land another husband are panicked -- no divorced men want to marry again.

Single mothers are beyond desperate --- no man wants to say yes to 18 years of supporting another bad boy's spawn.

Time?

Can you hear the female gender's biological clock ticking?

It has become a doomsday clock!

Welcome to complete liberation, the utter terror of independence girlies!

Thanks for all this.This is very incisive stuff Timo. Nothing is more revealing than a brush with society's manipulators.Propaganda - PR , Advertising - Consumerism its all very clear .....They have us where they want us -for now...
I share Timos sense of urgency - but enjoy Disaffecteds "timely" input:

Time?

Can you hear the female gender's biological clock ticking?

It has become a doomsday clock!

Welcome to complete liberation, the utter terror of independence girlies

LOL......How appropriate that Father Time should have the last laugh!!

I look forward to hunting and shooting and drinking in the woods, and leaving women in the cities with their brats and cats and eachother.