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Yes, but i know if Jefferson idea of revolution would work today. The technology today is powerful. I don't think it's the men we elect who are pushing us in their wrong direction. I believe they are being stirred by sinister forces. I hope that's incorrect. I don't think our elections are true anymore.

The governments, since they existed, didn't care about bettering the lives of the people, but about controlling more. I think a lot of politicians are deluded into thinking they can do good by controlling people's lives. I don't know if this is a disorder, maybe Percy or Paul can help.

Quote from Billy

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Thomas Jefferson helped shape the constitution of the US. They fought for freedom from tyrannical government. They tried to setup a system which would give the citizens complete control. It didn't last long. Ole Abe Lincoln was the first president to side step the constitution. He was all about big government.

Benjamin Franklin put it really well about what form of government the US has:A republic, if you can keep it.

A CR needs an educated population that isn't apathetic. A government has free reign over sheep like people.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKFKGrmsBDk"]YouTube - The Second American Revolution[/ame]
julie, I don't agree with this guy on everything he says, but he is right about multicultural nations. Multiculturalism can exist only if the smaller cultures are united and treasure similar things as the majority.

Quote from Billy

I'm aware of the republic beginnings and shift to a democraper system.,

Abe Lincoln called it a republic too, but he never meant it as such. He wanted to take from the haves and give to the have nots. And that is precisely what he did, it lead our country to war too. He went against the constitution and did what he wanted to do.

So many men died for the right to a peoples government only for him to take it over and cause a million more men to die. He deserved the bullet.

I'm amused by people who think the civil war was about slavery. It never was. lol

Slavery wouldn't have been profitable in a decade or two anymore. It was Lincoln stupid regulation. I was talking with a friend who lives there and he told me about this. War of northern aggression.

But again, our history books say that here in 1989 we had a revolution, when it was an obvious coup. My 12th grade history teacher was awesome though and taught us the real thing, that I already knew though.

Quote from Billy

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Thomas Jefferson helped shape the constitution of the US. They fought for freedom from tyrannical government. They tried to setup a system which would give the citizens complete control. It didn't last long. Ole Abe Lincoln was the first president to side step the constitution. He was all about big government.

Abe didn't finish the job!

He was assassinated before he could do anymore damage.
I'm sure you know what group of people ordered the hit!

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Slavery wouldn't have been profitable in a decade or two anymore. It was Lincoln stupid regulation. I was talking with a friend who lives there and he told me about this. War of northern aggression.

But again, our history books say that here in 1989 we had a revolution, when it was an obvious coup. My 12th grade history teacher was awesome though and taught us the real thing, that I already knew though.

Then you also know that 97% of our presidents were free masons!

Quote from TheOldOligarch

Men never put women in an oppressed state, both men and women did what was necessary for survival, sometimes it was onerous, yes, but the most onerous burdens always fell to men.

This is still true. Men love women more than vice versa.

Quote from TheOldOligarch

Men never put women in an oppressed state, both men and women did what was necessary for survival, sometimes it was onerous, yes, but the most onerous burdens always fell to men.

You're absolutely right!

Men didn't put women in an oppressed state, however some do it to themselves!

I think we should get back to what I opened the thread about. :P

I don't remember which northern leader was pretty much burning everything and raping everything... And that thing with the consent to be governed was one of the most important new things in history. Too bad people shrugged it off later and now nowhere on Earth you find it.

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I don't remember which northern leader was pretty much burning everything and raping everything... .

Sherman

To be honest, I don't get how people can get that heinous, even in war. I mean, I've never been in the army or in a war theater with death all around me, so maybe that's why... Or maybe those people were just sick fucks.