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The scenarios you present are anecdotal and only represent the small number of people included.

Ah, but this small number of scenarios is what prompts change. Where once police told women who complained about abuse in the home to go and sort it out with her husband, they now take women's complaints seriously.

In turn, men are prompting police to take their complaints seriously. They sure hate having to be told "Man up", or laughed at because the police see women as helpless and unable to harm their male partners.

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...the police see women as helpless and unable to harm their male partners.

that occurs thanks to feminist inventions, such as the Duluth Model and Power Control Wheel, which uses sexism to sell the concept that only men abuse & only women are victims.

Now remember, the above PC Wheel was developed by feminists - and feminists are for equality of both sexes, which is precisely why they talk ONLY of men abusing women and use such terms as 'male privilege' while ignoring female privilege - because that IS equality in the mind of a feminist.

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Does it matter who has it worse? All of these are tragic injustices that should be addressed.

I agree 100% with you.
An MRA dropped pamphlets at high schools telling young men what they are in for which prompted worry from a government commission (last year) and so they brought mainstream established groups together to pursue support for men. They decided the government couldn't afford to have separate groups for men and women (everything) and so they are now placing men on the boards of women's refuges, child groups, maternity groups and so forth.

Many groups already have men on boards etc, like counselors, addiction, mental health, health, education - (though gays and lesbians have more than hetero-sexual men and women), churches ect.

It's going to take as long as it takes leaders to build IMO but at least it's happening.

Precisely the type of archaic thinking that one can come to expect from feminist drivel.

Ah, but this small number of scenarios is what prompts change. Where once police told women who complained about abuse in the home to go and sort it out with her husband, they know take women's complaints seriously.

In turn, men are prompting police to take their complaints seriously. They sure hate having to be told "Man up", or laughed at because the police see women as helpless and unable to harm their male partners.

You would have this wheel turn endlessly?

Quite frankly no gender has it better than another, all though it may seem like it for now. Rest assured the time will come when women will regret the day that Feminism reared its ugly head in the name of equality. Does anyone think for one moment that men will remain in a state of completely apathy for eternity? If so you don't know men. Throughout history men have brought down governments, regimes and countries in the name of freedom. This time the battle is ours and ours alone, it is for men we fight and mark my words it will be won!!!

Who has it worse? Hmm, take a wild guess.

Only on a thread that is supposedly geared towards men would we even have this discussion. Of course this doesn't surprise me. What I notice, though, is a bit sinister, at least to me but in an insidious manner.

Do the same people that come on here to a discussion board where men are supposed to have a platform to address men's plights ask the same questions on places geared towards women? Or do these posters accept that women have it worse when they are on sites that discuss the plights of women?

It would appear to me that women are good chameleons, except, whether or not they identify themselves as feminists, they blend in a lot more in places geared towards women than they do here. This pseudo-egalitarian, pink elephant in the room is a threat that needs not to be ignored. What this is really doing is drawing attention away from men's issues exclusively and bringing women's issues to the inequation. Therefore there is no sole focus on men's issues.

If you can't put women's problems aside for 10 minutes to actually get a good understanding of the hostility and inequality that men face then you've got no business on a platform for men. I believe that is why places geared towards women either don't allow men or only selectively allow men. We would never see a man allowed to ask "who has it worse, men or women?" on a woman's site. The only way men would be allowed to have "input" on a woman's site is if he agreed with the consensus of the site.

Go to any woman's site or "gender studies" site that doesn't gear towards men and lets see how many times we see a poster, no less a woman, ask who has it worse. Also, if by some miracle we do find some variation of this lets see how many times the answer isn't "women" or some kind of pretended answer to save face. Better yet, lets see how many times our little buddy julie asks this same question on women's sites she posts on.

If the answer is zero or not applicable then this tells me that the only reason she posts questions like this on a supposed men's discussion board is to take our exclusive focus away from men's issues in order to make it about women too. Again, what makes this so sinister is that women's sites would never take exclusive focus away from women's issues to make it about men unless they were attempting to blame men for something.

Only on a men's site would we pretend that the issues men and women face could possibly be on equal footing. Does it matter who has it worse? Maybe

What absolutely matters is that no matter how badly men have it we don't have the same number of resources available to us because of our gender and because of our gender our issues are widely ignored.

Although there is a rare possibility that I am wrong in this case I believe that the real purpose of this thread is to highlight once again "how bad women have it too" and that the only reason men's issues are even included is because of the environment here. However, in the grand scheme of things, men's plights are but a footnote. I'm sorry, did I say footnote? I mean afterthought. Otherwise, instead of asking "who has it worse?" we'd be answering "how to make it better?".

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Who has it worse? Hmm, take a wild guess.

Only on a thread that is supposedly geared towards men would we even have this discussion. Of course this doesn't surprise me. What I notice, though, is a bit sinister, at least to me but in an insidious manner.

Do the same people that come on here to a discussion board where men are supposed to have a platform to address men's plights ask the same questions on places geared towards women? Or do these posters accept that women have it worse when they are on sites that discuss the plights of women?

It would appear to me that women are good chameleons, except, whether or not they identify themselves as feminists, they blend in a lot more in places geared towards women than they do here. This pseudo-egalitarian, pink elephant in the room is a threat that needs not to be ignored. What this is really doing is drawing attention away from men's issues exclusively and bringing women's issues to the inequation. Therefore there is no sole focus on men's issues.

If you can't put women's problems aside for 10 minutes to actually get a good understanding of the hostility and inequality that men face then you've got no business on a platform for men. I believe that is why places geared towards women either don't allow men or only selectively allow men. We would never see a man allowed to ask "who has it worse, men or women?" on a woman's site. The only way men would be allowed to have "input" on a woman's site is if he agreed with the consensus of the site.

Go to any woman's site or "gender studies" site that doesn't gear towards men and lets see how many times we see a poster, no less a woman, ask who has it worse. Also, if by some miracle we do find some variation of this lets see how many times the answer isn't "women" or some kind of pretended answer to save face. Better yet, lets see how many times our little buddy julie asks this same question on women's sites she posts on.

If the answer is zero or not applicable then this tells me that the only reason she posts questions like this on a supposed men's discussion board is to take our exclusive focus away from men's issues in order to make it about women too. Again, what makes this so sinister is that women's sites would never take exclusive focus away from women's issues to make it about men unless they were attempting to blame men for something.

Only on a men's site would we pretend that the issues men and women face could possibly be on equal footing. Does it matter who has it worse? Maybe

What absolutely matters is that no matter how badly men have it we don't have the same number of resources available to us because of our gender and because of our gender our issues are widely ignored.

Although there is a rare possibility that I am wrong in this case I believe that the real purpose of this thread is to highlight once again "how bad women have it too" and that the only reason men's issues are even included is because of the environment here. However, in the grand scheme of things, men's plights are but a footnote. I'm sorry, did I say footnote? I mean afterthought. Otherwise, instead of asking "who has it worse?" we'd be answering "how to make it better?".

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I agree 100% with you.
An MRA dropped pamphlets at high schools telling young men what they are in for which prompted worry from a government commission (last year) and so they brought mainstream established groups together to pursue support for men. They decided the government couldn't afford to have separate groups for men and women (everything) and so they are now placing men on the boards of women's refuges, child groups, maternity groups and so forth.

Many groups already have men on boards etc, like counselors, addiction, mental health, health, education - (though gays and lesbians have more than hetero-sexual men and women), churches ect.

It's going to take as long as it takes leaders to build IMO but at least it's happening.

Having a MRA drop off information for male high school students simply scared the hell out of the school administration and government. They realized if they were to confiscate the flyers, it would be seen as a violation of free speech and thought and would become a news issue they would have to deal with. By combining the groups together, they effectively neutralized a threat from the MRA's. I'd like to see more information on men serving on the boards for women's shelters, Et Cetera. I don't buy the "Kum By Yah" of the government combining the groups. I'm a skeptic when it come to governments.

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Missy, I really don't understand why you posted a Chris Rock bit in response to Popadibs post. Am I missing something here?

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Precisely the type of archaic thinking that one can come to expect from feminist drivel.

You would have this wheel turn endlessly?

I don't lobby for this and never have. The reason I wrote my comment is because I know it's lobbied and has been lobbied.

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Quote from Popadibs

Only on a thread that is supposedly geared towards men would we even have this discussion. Of course this doesn't surprise me. What I notice, though, is a bit sinister, at least to me but in an insidious manner.

Do the same people that come on here to a discussion board where men are supposed to have a platform to address men's plights ask the same questions on places geared towards women? Or do these posters accept that women have it worse when they are on sites that discuss the plights of women?

With due respect, I think it's hypocritical to say, "women are wrong to write about women on this site" for I see lots of posts about women written by men. Allot of it is bitching or putting women down, but in saying this, there's also allot of posts about men's well being - wonderful to see.

I don't work with just men or just women and I never would because I don't think you'll fix anything this way. I write on my own site and I write about both separately sometimes and both together sometimes. Offline, I work with both men and women which means I am neutral and would say the same not only on a woman's website but in a group setting, meeting, ect amongst women.

The answer is obviously that feminism makes average men and beautiful women worse off by enabling the top men to shag a huge number of women, which results in the average man not being able to find a suitable mate(read not a slut) and it screws beautiful women by rendering them unable to secure the commitment of the top men.

Oh, one of those mangina 'teach me how to score' type deals.

The answer is obviously that feminism makes average men and beautiful women worse off by enabling the top men to shag a huge number of women, which results in the average man not being able to find a suitable mate(read not a slut) and it screws beautiful women by rendering them unable to secure the commitment of the top men.

How about you just find a mate or but pass for your real self. Guys like you really do give fathers a bad name and do an even greater disservice to men in general by trying to come to sites like this a pretending you abscond male misandry when all you promote is ugly chick mongering and even worse loose morals. Fuck off.

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Oh, one of those mangina 'teach me how to score' type deals.

How about you just find a mate or but pass for your real self. Guys like you really do give fathers a bad name and do an even greater disservice to men in general by trying to come to sites like this a pretending you abscond male misandry when all you promote is ugly chick mongering and even worse loose morals. Fuck off.

Well, yes, people like you are the reason why I stopped posting here. To begin with, I'm female. And secondly, by suitable mate, I meant suitable for marriage(boinking women that boink the top men isn't bad for the average man either, committing to a slut is the problem) and it is fairly obvious that the men who before married beautiful women still do it, but also have sex with other women.

I do appreciate that you didn't bother to show where I am factually incorrect. Also, I would like to point out that describing how things ARE doesn't imply anything about how I think things should be. It is called the is-ought fallacy. But again, your type of PMSing, lack of logical reasoning and general whining is the reason why I stopped posting here. Don't know why I thought this place changed. lol

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The answer is obviously that feminism makes average men and beautiful women worse off by enabling the top men to shag a huge number of women, which results in the average man not being able to find a suitable mate(read not a slut) and it screws beautiful women by rendering them unable to secure the commitment of the top men.

So the original pain in the ass came back to pay us a visit.....
I'm guessing things are going smooth for you over in vampire land.

Ok, this one was clearly not here when I joined. So I will most likely ignore this piece of work. Obviously not worth the time I invest in my son for a better planet.

Son (rebellious chump), you need to get a life as fast as you can.