I've always figured that stuff like this was just a logical extension of women's need to be desired. I don't think there is anything a woman loves more than the thought of a man so overcome with desire for her that he cannot control himself.

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I've always figured that stuff like this was just a logical extension of women's need to be desired. I don't think there is anything a woman loves more than the thought of a man so overcome with desire for her that he cannot control himself.

Yip.. thats what I always tell them!

There is a fatal flaw in the rape laws, and that is that often women actually do say no they really do want sex.. (or would not mind it)..

If they truly dont want a poking, there are many things they can do.. like, fucking go away..

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Ah Drex, it must be rough! Here does this help?
Fugly

Well that was a real nice picture. Now I don't want to have sex and I also want to go on a diet. But the mental scars have already been inflicted.

I'm sorry Mirwalk. I was only trying to help Drex get his snake under control but now I think I've caused more harm than good.

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Yip.. thats what I always tell them!

There is a fatal flaw in the rape laws, and that is that often women actually do say no they really do want sex.. (or would not mind it)..

If they truly dont want a poking, there are many things they can do.. like, fucking go away..

This what I always said...that often, women say "no! no!" when what they really mean is, "try harder!" Its why I have to laugh when feminoids say, "When she says NO, its rape!' (uh, not always its not!)

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This what I always said...that often, women say "no! no!" when what they really mean is, "try harder!" Its why I have to laugh when feminoids say, "When she says NO, its rape!' (uh, not always its not!)

You've made a point to tell us that you don't identify with women, you don't like most women and that you are different from other women. But now you presume to speak for women in order to indulge or validate your sexual fantasies. Bullshit. Having an itch in your crotch is not the same thing as true desire. I expect such garbage coming from Drex but I am disappointed to see it from you. Did you even consider the risk of STDs and pregnancy when you encourage men to "try harder?"

I once had to have some stalking jackass arrested because he wouldn't fucking take no for an answer. And in case this upsets some people here, please note this was after I had told him I wasn't interested, after I told him to please stop calling me, after I told him I didn't want any gifts, after I repeatedly told him to fuck off, literally screaming at him to leave me alone, and after I threatened to call the police if he didn't stop harassing me. Thick headed asswipe still wouldn't get it so when he showed up at my workplace I called the police. I had little other choice and he was scaring me with his stalking behavior. Annette please do not encourage men to keep pursuing women who have already said no!

Like I said before, if two people in a loving relationship want to play some fantasy games, then good for them. But with someone you're just dating, then this is wrong. If some woman cannot honestly express whether she wants the relationship to go further, it is not for the man to decide for her! No means no!

Yes, but there are sometimes when a woman says no, but everything about her body language says yes. The guy who stalked you was obviously quite the idiot, but that's not what Annette was encouraging.

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You've made a point to tell us that you don't identify with women, you don't like most women and that you are different from other women. But now you presume to speak for women in order to indulge or validate your sexual fantasies. Bullshit. Having an itch in your crotch is not the same thing as true desire. I expect such garbage coming from Drex but I am disappointed to see it from you. Did you even consider the risk of STDs and pregnancy when you encourage men to "try harder?"

I once had to have some stalking jackass arrested because he wouldn't fucking take no for an answer. And in case this upsets some people here, please note this was after I had told him I wasn't interested, after I told him to please stop calling me, after I told him I didn't want any gifts, after I repeatedly told him to fuck off, literally screaming at him to leave me alone, and after I threatened to call the police if he didn't stop harassing me. Thick headed asswipe still wouldn't get it so when he showed up at my workplace I called the police. I had little other choice and he was scaring me with his stalking behavior. Annette please do not encourage men to keep pursuing women who have already said no!

Like I said before, if two people in a loving relationship want to play some fantasy games, then good for them. But with someone you're just dating, then this is wrong. If some woman cannot honestly express whether she wants the relationship to go further, it is not for the man to decide for her! No means no!

I didn't mean when the male is a stranger, I meant two people in a relationship, such as marriage.

For instance, there are times when I'm busy, cooking, whatever, and my husband comes up behind me, grabs me, and indicates he's amorous. I might push him away, but in the end, we end up in the bedroom

I certainly did not mean a case where a woman, for example, is walking down the street and a stranger accosts her!

Fair enough, in a solid relationship and if that's what both partners like. But if it's someone you just met don't try it! Sorry if I overreacted, but I am afraid of the consequences of the belief that "no" means "maybe."

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Fair enough, in a solid relationship and if that's what both partners like. But if it's someone you just met don't try it! Sorry if I overreacted, but I am afraid of the consequences of the belief that "no" means "maybe."

Fair comment myce!
On this board you are the respected face of 'egalitee', and all it used to mean. Your comments are always pertinent.

Do we take it that female submission is out of the question? Even if the rewards are rich and sweet? Men, also, are slowly beginning to feel that way.
Are we discussing self-preservation?

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Fair comment myce!
On this board you are the respected face of 'egalitee', and all it used to mean. Your comments are always pertinent.

Do we take it that female submission is out of the question? Even if the rewards are rich and sweet? Men, also, are slowly beginning to feel that way.
Are we discussing self-preservation?

Thanks Yan Yan.
This does put a new twist on the idea that whatever consenting adults do in their own bedroom is their business! I think feminists are offended by submissive females in much the same way that some people are offended by a man being "pussy whipped." But it would be hypocritical of me to say "No, women can't be submissive" wouldn't it? Somewhere there is a line between healthy D/s that makes people happy, and a pathological D/s which is abusive. I don't know where that line is, and certainly it varies from one relationship to another. I have some misgivings about the idea that rape can occur within a marriage too, because in general I think you have a right to expect certain things like sex, affection, and attention from your spouse. Forced unwanted sex is abusive, but so is the manipulative withholding of sex. I don't understand your question about self-preservation?

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Fair enough, in a solid relationship and if that's what both partners like. But if it's someone you just met don't try it! Sorry if I overreacted, but I am afraid of the consequences of the belief that "no" means "maybe."

OK..btw I know how it feels to be stalked, so I sympathize with what you went through (even though my one-time stalker was a female!)

What annette and myce have said I agree with 100% both.. Even if it seems contradictory..

The key is, someone, somewhere, (male) has to read the signals properly..

The only "safe" thing for a man to do under the current situation is to reject all women, never assume they can give consent under any circumstances, unless they are asking for it, sober, not upset emotionally in any imaginable (or unimaginable) way..

And then, if a man enjoys that sort of 100% feminine controlled sex, be ready for her to change her mind half way through, or before, or after.. and its then rape..

end of the day, waste of time...

Playing safe defeats the whole object of sex anyway..

Its all a womans means to manipulate, under the current regime..

I despair for the state of sex these days..