Thread: What is "Male solidarity"?

Very interesting question...

When I think of male solidarity I think of very successful and effective military units, like the 32 Bat or the Green Berets or the SAS. My gut reaction is the SAS or the Rhodies or Afrikaaner societies. I humbly think that the United States has become so hopelessly Feminized that true male solidarity in a social sense is no longer possible. Compare to similarly feminized nation-states, like the Philippines, Sri Lanka, any of the sub-Saharans, or Haiti. There is NO male solidarity of any kind, socially, family, etc. The only kind of "solidarity" that forms is when they rape and pillage and become dominant tyrants / warlords with influence.

The Muslim world offers a small glimpse of something resembling male solidarity applies society wide, although there's a lot of squabbles on a small level because there is STILL a gender war raging in the Muslim world, strong ever since Mehmet II conquered Constantinople. He was a momma's/wifey's boy with no male influence (he was paranoid of power struggles) and it has been so ever since. In a few Islamic states there is a public/political male solidarity, for example there are still courts here where custody instantly and automatically goes with dad along with the house, bank accounts, etc. So as a society, there is male solidarity. It breaks down on smaller levels though, with typical Third World things like fighting over traffic squabbles, loss of 'face', etc.

Back in the West even up to the 1960's, we used to offer the first real true glimpse of male solidarity in centuries, because it included not only men. It included women, too. They stood with society as wanting what was best for everyone: society, themselves, the kids, etc.

There are pockets of male solidarity, but since the early 1900's and the fuss that caused the ratification of the Nineteenth Amendment, it has been steadily "bred out" of our society. Now, Feminists (most women) are very quick to crush anything resembling it today. They put stupid labels or homo-phobic concerns, cheesy tenderness in the back of the mind, etc. The modern American protestant Church is a good example. Statistically the highest divorce rate of anyone (atheists and Catholics tied for lowest at ~21%, evangelical protestants highest at well over 45% first time marriages). Any remote attempt at male solidarity is quickly castigated, ridiculed and shut down.

So you do see it, but it's hard for us relative youngsters to recognize and even harder to do.

Very interesting question, though...

Just so no one misunderstands, the Rhodies and Afrikaaners (like the 32 Batt) were noteworthy because it was Blacks, Whites, and Coloureds all sticking together trying to fight against the female-dominated Marxist societies on the continent from destroying their successful Christian cultures where the genders (AND races) got along and prospered.

It was certainly NOT to imply any racial intonations. I don't think it has anything to do with race. It's ALL about how the genders interact. Period.

Male solidarity is the ability to acknowledge and associate over the wellbeing of men. It also includes the acknowledgement and viewing of men as a gender/collective group. This does not mean some men within a sub group, but men seeing each other as a collective unit as a whole-despite occupation, sexuality, political interests, etc. With it comes the ability to discriminate and the ability to acknowledge and fight discrimination. Most people who see things like family court from the side lines see it as more of an attack on the individual than a group.

Until most men can actually realize they are being discriminated against, the state of male solidarity is rather poor.

Hi Infidel, my my, what a pessimist you are!

First I agree with a lot of what you say BUT you are using post hoc rationalisation which is "that's the way it going, and no one can stop it". And here I take issue with you.

I would agree that there is a process of near "hopeless feminisation", and I would even say I was to a large extent sucked into that, but one or two "good guys" took me under their wing (during my long and painful divorce) and showed me the nature of male solidairty and it turned my life around. I am still learning, but its a very pleasurable process - and an infectious one - I find that I infect and inspire people with the way I now act. I am not a role model nor a beacon of hope, but simply have put myself on the right track and am curing myself of this near totalitarian feminist indoctrination - so hold on, there is hope! (-: Just learn a fesw principles, apply them and send out signals and "cues" as to the behaviour you expect of others. With luck you may have many postive experiences. Hell, its done wonders for my dating life (-:

Hi Zeta Male, yes, the state of male solidarity is poor, but I notice that when I act in certain ways, people kind of follow my lead, or at worst know where I stand and I find it inspires confidence. I am sure that many people are not working on consicous levels when they react to me, but anyway, we are all social animals and we learn our social skills.

In fact there is a lot of material out there and a lot of it is really good and inspiring, one just has too look for it (if you want post me and I am give you a link or a DVD)

Greetings, Richard. This was a good question, no?

It is possible that I could be viewed as a pessimist but experience has taught me that it's usually unwitting Feminist-indoctrinated people that believe such a thing.

For example, on the Clint Eastwood thread you mentioned "dick-notizing" lots of women. I suppose it could be dismissed away as just an opinion, but there is a LOT of evidence that suggests patriarchal societies strongly rely on honor, fidelity and monogamy as core tenets. Such "dick-notizing" around may sound good in terms of instant sexual gratification and in today's effeminate view of what "manhood" is, but then warping society's view on real manhood and what it stands for is precisely the mark of a matriarchal / Feminist society. And that was the point of my "pessimistic" offering.

When a society is so deeply rooted in Feminism that "manhood" consists of how many women you can f#@k, then by definition it is lost. Only in places like the Philippines or any of the sub-Saharan African nations is there such a focus on "dick-notization" as a mark of manhood. Screw as many women as you can. That was perhaps the very point of Mr. Eastwood's "defeatist" and "avoidant" speech, that patriarchal, manly men who still have honor and integrity don't and won't cat around, but rather do the only honorable thing, which is to not partake in such promiscuity without the intent of being a husband/father.

Time will tell, that's for sure. I'm glad you get all your fill of pussy (even with countless stories of women stealing used condoms to get knocked up for child support, or the incessant false-rape reporting that goes on). It's nice. But IMHO it ain't smart, and it sure as hell ain't manly.

Who conquered the world? Who innovated and developed most of the technology and progress we had until about 40 years ago? Monogamous men in a patriarchal society that frowned deeply on sexual promiscuity. Don't matter if it was the ancient Confucian Chinese who developed paper and gunpowder and the concept of de-centralized government; or if it was the Muslim empire before they became gender-warred and sissified after Mehmet II; or to the modern Christian societies that made the most successful, prosperous, powerful nation the world has ever known.

In no case were such monumental achievements made by a society of promiscuous louts catting around.

Just pointing out there IS another alternative to consider. Teaching you how to take advantage of loose and promiscuous women may be friendly, but it ain't manly and we'll see how much solidarity there is when you guys go after the same woman...

Hi Infidel,
Its wonderful that you took some time to write an indepth reply to me. Its amazig how geography shapes our views, and you have very interesting and stiulating ones. I hope you will make lots of posts as I feel there is a lot we can learn from you.

I think I should make it clear I am not a womanizer, chasing hundreds of women. I find a woman, I stay with her, if she begins to make demands on me, then we split up. I have a break and then look for the next one. Over the past 5 years I only had about as many women. If they stoppred makig escpalitig demands I would stay with the one I was with.

So I am not promiscious, but I have come to learn that half of the planet are women and they are not a scarse resource as they seem to think.

The perspective I was trying to get across was that men should not try to retreat into a "ghetto" because they have been hurt - ad this is the feelig I get that a lot of men are doing. They have been hurt by a woman and so want to retreat to the company of men (only). What I was trying to do is to say they are actig a bit immaturely and need to rethink how they view women and seek to reconect with them. I certainly don't advocate going to bed with a different woman every night, week or month, what I am saying is that find yourself a woman, but dont feel trapped by them - and this is a major problem that men in the UK and US have. Women have learned how to sex as power over men, and men have failed to recognise and act against this.

As you note many western men are hopplessly feminized. Having non-stop sex with a numerous women will not cure this, so I can not advocting it. I am looking for a way that men can have control over themsleves and their sexual needs, rather than lettig a woman dictate them to him.

The few Muslims I have met have kind of inspired me and I am sure I will learn more from they. Infidel, I hope you will make some more (new) posts and inspire a wider debtate on the topic

Best wishes

I have had very good contacts and discussion with many MRA's on the web and met them personally. A huge amount of planning and co-operation in planning our strategy and meeting future goals and targets. I have also had a great deal of assistance to generate MP3's, generate articles and volunteers to further the Men's rights cause..

The current MRM would not exist without this co-operation and planning. The idea that Men do not work together is just another fallacy that feminists and some women want to spread..

Have a look how affective we are. You are on one site that demonstrates it CLEARLY..

And how affective are we ?

Have a look at my recent blog post demonstrating the difference between Men's Rights sites compared to Feminist sites..

We are canning the piss out of them..

WMASAW..

Not too many can state that their site has reached 1 Million hits and growing exponentialy as we speak..

HI Christanj, I greatly appreciate the "space" this forum gives us and the what the MRA does. The point of my post is to provoke (discussion), and also for me to learn.

The fear I have is that us men are on the retreat on all fronts and while there is the MRA and this fourm, I pray we are not a candle in the wind. I am kind of shocked that - if you read my profile - I have been out of the UK "Europe" for 20 years and returing has been a huge shock. I expected fathers rights groups and mens groups to be spreading like mushrooms after the rain, but alas, my hopes to meet face to face with like minded men in some kind of group have been gravely dissapointed.

If, in a country of 60 million there is no even one meeting group, what does this say about us? Indeed, there is no shortage of materail for meetings (even if they were once a month in saw the middle of the country, or at a university), but I guess we are just too weak for that.

I am beginning to think that you guys in the UK and USA have really lost it, and while I can appreciate the effort you are doing, I wonder if the "male initiative" now lies in the East - Poland we dont have these kind of problems (yet!), while in the UKraine and Russia, men are men.

The post above mine by "The Infidel" was interesting. It seems the Muslim countires have a repository of values that might mean that Eastern Europe and the Middle East is where we will remain civilised, while yoy guys in the west act as a kind of "Fifth column" for us - it sounds defeatist, but I see defeat after defeat for you guys here. Hell, have you heard the latest ideas what to do with the Royal Family. Perhaps it has passed the critical point here.....

Or alternatively, maybe our forum and the MRA can achieve "Virus status" and infect the wider society - after all the womens movements achieved exactly all this, but as a sociologist I am trying to scan our movement and I see a lot of horrible gaps. Maybe its early days yet, but I think its keey to get face to face meetings, as I said even if only once a month.

* I believe that you have missed the fact that most men will involve and act on their own volition without demanding recognition for their actions. I was one who was of the opinion that the whole "MRA" effort was not only meaningless but was convinced that no one else was even slightly interested in assisting the cause. This lead to a level of disbelief, why would no one else be interested in doing what I was doing, as it was so important..

Over the years and I have been doing this since the early 1990's, I realised that I was really not the only one doing it. It was a matter of locating and searching to see the true efforts of a lot of Men who were already taking action in order for me to be convinced that I was not the only one out there, not by far..

Men will generally act on their own volition but that is not to say that once a common interest had been struck that there was no commonality of cause invoked or resistance to banding together for common outcomes..

I think that we can assume that the current level of MRA activity is because that common cause has been satisfied and we are all heading in the same direction. Men generally do not require the level of discussion that women do to acquire the method to proceed or act. Men only require a signal to acquire a reason for common cause and thereby act in a similar and positive fashion..

This I believe is how the MRM (Mens Rights Movement) came about. We did not need to explain the symptoms as they were already obvious, they just required an example, reason or motivation to commence their activity..

It would be nice is we could think of our movement like a virus - that once the idea takes hold it spreads (for example look at fashion trends among kids - word of mouth - and before you know it the whole country is dressing in X).

But I fear this is unlikely to be the case with the Mens Movement, I think we need to be much more active, public meetings, challanging feminism, having stands on the streets in city cetners. It would be nice to think we are fighting in our own ways, but alas we are not fighting.

Look, men cannot even get together to fight for their rights to see their kids after divorce. Lets not kid ourselves where we are, right now our level of consciousness is very low. In fact we are still retreting - I was last in the UK 20 years ago, and all I can saw, is what the "f**k' has happened over that time in this country? Muslims make more sense to me than most men in the UK!

Let me put it this way. The basis of society is the family. The Royal family stick a beret on my head, put a gun in my hand and tell me to kill XY or Z, if I refuse I am court martialled. That is the nature of state power. And most men are ready to die for their "queen", but do sweet FA to fight even to see their kids. I am not advoating violence, I am trying to show what level of consciousness we have yet to achieve. But then again, maybe its easier to walk away, abandon the ex and the kids if necessary and "start again" elsewhere.

I believe that we have to be VERY active.

I certainly praise the MRA and this forum, such initiatves are crucial and the seed from which things can grow, but sitting at our keyboards and internet wankery will not get us far. In the 1980s it was called being an "armchair revolutionary".

I may not be addressing your point directly, but as I said I am new to all this and sitting by PC means a lot of my questions are not being answered, whereas face to face with a few guys, I would keyed up a lot quicker. On top of that at the moment I have some free time to sit and write, but men who dont wont be able to learn a lot.

For example, One mens group in Poland was talking about printing up some leaflets and handing them outside schools, to let older boys know what marriage is all about and the once you get married you enter a whole new area of law and to make young men aware of this so they would not make our mistakes.

We need to get an orngaised group that takes out message out of our ghetto - F4J was brillant at this, it took the debate to a whole new level, but sadly, has faded away.

Christanj, as you can probably see I feel a lot of frustration and horry at what I see going on. I also feel terribly lost in all this, and when I look around it seems the nightmare only gets worse.

But then again, maybe I am too hot blooded and need to take a step or two back, read the fourms and get keyed up - after all I have only been a member of this site for a few weeks.

Regardless. The fact men in the UK cannot get to meet, even if once a month is a big problem and for me is the ulitmate testimony of the state of our movement.

I think our main problem is that we want action right now but it just does not happen that way. Most are hoping someone else will shovel the gravel and meanwhile there is very little participation..