What is going on with Tera’s posts and threads?

[Seattle Traditionalist]

What in the world is going on with Tera’s posts and threads? Marx, are you making a real effort to delete Tera’s entire posting history from this site like she requested?

When I click on the link to the “Chivalry is NOT dead” thread, my favorite thread in this whole entire forum, I get the message that I am requesting an Invalid Thread, as if the thread doesn’t exist anymore. Furthermore I know there were 492 responses on that thread, and now it is listed as having only 349 responses. WTF is going on?

When I search through my own posting history I find that all the posts I made into the “Chivalry is NOT dead” thread are missing, as if the intention is to delete the entire “Chivalry is NOT dead” thread.

I also checked a thread I started that I know Tera posted into many times. When I go through the thread, a thread that I started, I find multiple people quoting Tera in their own responses but no posts that Tera herself made, indicating that the intention is to indeed wipe out Tera’s entire posting history.

So Marx, what is going on? Are you indeed seeking to wipe out Tera’s entire posting history as if she was never here? Are you going to entirely delete every thread that Tera has started?

If this is what you are doing I see this as a completely radical step that is uncalled for.

Tera started a huge number of threads and she made a huge number of posts in her own threads and in other people’s threads. You are removing a huge portion of the history of this Antimisandry website if your intention is to wipe away Tera’s history as if she was never here.

You are not only wiping out Tera’s history by doing this you are also wiping out a part of my history on this website. You are wiping out a portion of most of the members’ history on this website.

I consider history to be important, I made the posts that I made on this website with the intention that they be read by other people, both members here and lurkers. I have largely dropped out of making new posts on this website but most definitely I want the posting history of what I have done here to be preserved.

In my mind, even if it is Tera’s preference that her history be removed from this site she does not have the right to also remove a part of my history from this site as part of the bargain.

Of course, I am not the only one being affected by this. All the members here have made their own contributions to the many threads that Tera has started. All the members here have responded to something that Tera has said and if you look back on a thread and see the post that you yourself made but don’t see Tera’s original post that you are responding to then that diminishes the context that your own post was made in.

Not only is history important to me but so is truth. It is not true that Tera was never a member here, indeed she was maybe the most prominent and important member here of us all. To pretend that Tera was never a member here to me makes no sense. To disfigure a large part of the entire history of this website by removing the posts of the most prolific poster here and to remove entirely the many many threads that she started to me is just an outrage and a crying shame.

Please don’t do this Marx. Please Marx reverse what you have deleted of Tera’s history to the best extent you are able.

When Tera made her posts on this Antimisandry forum she was making a contribution to the whole Antimisandry community. How I see it once she chose to press the post button her contribution became public property, the property of the whole Antimisandry community. Her contributions on this forum are not her personal private property, they do not belong to her alone, her contributions belong to all of us, we all valued what she had to say and we said our own bits both in response to the threads she started and in response to the posts she made.

It does not seem right or fair or just to me that Tera be allowed to wipe out her history here, and most certainly the posts that I myself have made should not be deleted simply because they are associated with the threads that Tera started.

Tera, I urge you to rethink the rash request you have made to wipe out your posting history on this site. You said a lot of good and important and valuable things during your time as a member here. Why do you want everything you have said here to be forgotten? To me that makes no sense.

Tera, if you are ashamed of your association with this website or your perhaps former identity of being a “Men’s Rights Activist” don’t be. You have nothing to be ashamed of. You have nothing to be ashamed of and much to be proud of in terms of your posting history on this site.

Tera, don’t deny your past, don’t deny your history; understand it and learn from it but don’t trash it, don’t pretend that your time here at Antimisandry never happened.

Tera if nothing else do it for me. Ask Marx to undo the deleting of your history here because if nothing else your history at this Antimisandry site is important to me.


Well, I have said my piece. The other members here, what do you think of deleting the threads that Tera has started and deleting her entire posting history here?

[Celtic Druid]

Seattle, before your boisterous white charger settles down, consider maybe the prospect of Tera herself instigating this via PM with Karl.

I distinctly recall her alluding to the deleting of her history in her later posts. There isn't any conspiracy to shut up Tera, particularly by Karl.

As far as I'm concerned Tera is a fully fledged AM member who is free to post as anyone else.

[Seattle Traditionalist]

Celtic Druid, I am assuming that Tera asked Karl to do this presumably through private message. I do not dispute that Tera is the one requesting that her history be deleted. Indeed she explicitly asked for her history to be deleted in the last post she made.

In this thread I am asking that Tera take back such a request and I am asking that Karl not honor such a request.

Tera's history in my opinion belongs to all of us, not just her. As I said in the initiating post of this thread all of us have responded to the threads she started and all of us responded to her comments on numerous occasions.

I believe it is not just her feelings that matter in this situation but the feelings and interests of all of the members here.

The posts she made she meant to be read by everybody. Antimisandry is a public forum. Tera knew full well her posts were public when she posted them.

All of the members here interacted with Tera as the result of the threads she started and the posts she made, just as was her intention when she started the threads and made the posts. Because we all interacted with Tera and responded to Tera that gave us a vested interest in what she said in her posts and gave us a vested interest in the maintenance of the threads she initiated.

For Tera to go back now and say, never mind, I wish I hadn't ever joined Antimisandry and therefore all the posts I ever made and all the threads I ever started are gone is a gross violation of the rights of all the members who interacted with her and responded to her during her long time as an active member here.

I personally have a vested interest in the maintenance of Tera's history here and this is why I started this thread in the first place.

I am assuming there are many other members here that feel similar to me about this which is why I decided to bring up this issue publicly and see what everybody here thinks about it.

Celtic Druid, what do you think about this? Do you think Tera has the right to wipe out her entire posting history and all the threads she ever started just because she feels like it, just because she is upset about her history at Antimisandry at the moment?

[Percy]

I agree with ST.

We may feel differently about what we have written in the past, but it is our public record of thoughts.

But if Tera herself is removing items, they are hers. But I would advise against it.

[Celtic Druid]

Oh, for fuck's sake Seattle, I don't doubt your a decent fellow, but can't an intellectual chap condense his points?

Celtic Druid, what do you think about this? Do you think Tera has the right to wipe out her entire posting history and all the threads she ever started just because she feels like it, just because she is upset about her history at Antimisandry at the moment?

Sir, I disagree with the right of a member to delete history, merely on the basis of how it affects thousands of associated posts.

As it stands these are the rules and being upset isn't contemplated into the harshness of life.

[shaazam]

if Tera set about deleting her post she would have set her self a Herculean task - I typically read only the first paragrapsh of her prolific posts as my eyelids began to droop and I became drowsy

[julie]

Seattle Traditionalist says ....I am assuming there are many other members here that feel similar to me about this which is why I decided to bring up this issue publicly and see what everybody here thinks about it.

I think the opposite to you ST.

I don't think it is wrong to ask to have your threads and/or comments deleted. I have a site (nothing like AM) and many of my members work in the feminist empire and want to cover themselves. Just by association they can be fired.

When NZ started documentaries on Internet privacy I received a number of e-mails asking to have their comments deleted. I am not out to hurt people and they don't want to quit their membership so I have no problem with it.

Seattle Traditionalist says .....Celtic Druid, what do you think about this? Do you think Tera has the right to wipe out her entire posting history and all the threads she ever started just because she feels like it, just because she is upset about her history at Antimisandry at the moment?

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CD says ....Sir, I disagree with the right of a member to delete history, merely on the basis of how it affects thousands of associated posts.

As it stands these are the rules and being upset isn't contemplated into the harshness of life

I too want my threads and comments deleted. Or at least have a made up name with people respecting the made up name. I didn't think of the consequences of using my real name.

Men's sites were the first sites I found when I discovered the internet because after I had made my site, I was looking for some support groups for males. I found the men's sites incredible and I was hooked on learning and having discussions with what I consider, intelligent men.

I asked to have a made up name on a NZ site just the other day and was told I was already well known but I still want to change it.

I was told I should care about what I say and think how my sons will be affected when they discover my words in the future.

Plus, I have done a lot of learning on men's sites and I don't trust feminists to not try and destroy my credibility.

[Gunner]

if Tera set about deleting her post she would have set her self a Herculean task - I typically read only the first paragrapsh of her prolific posts as my eyelids began to droop and I became drowsy

HA HA HA

Funny as shit bro

[Seattle Traditionalist]

First off I will say this situation wouldn't be so bad if the threads that Tera started were resurrected so that the links to them would work. I suppose the first post could be left blank or something or the thread could start at Post #2 so that what Tera herself said could be deleted but so that what everyone else said would still be accessible. I have hopes that Marx intends on doing this at some point.

The "Chivalry is NOT dead" thread is still listed as among the top 5 most popular threads of all time and is listed as having 349 replies. When you click on the link to the thread you get an Invalid Thread error message. The thread used to have 492 replies in it. I figure the 143 missing posts represent the posts Tera made in that thread, but that the thread without her posts still exists. I am hoping the "Chivalry is NOT dead" thread will be resurrected but without the contributions that Tera made. I am hoping that is what will be done in general with the threads that Tera started.


What if you wrote a book and gave it away to 1000 people? A year after you gave your book to 1000 people you then felt embarrassed and ashamed about what you wrote down in that book and you wanted to collect the books you gave to everybody and burn them all in a big bonfire. Should the 1000 people you gave your book to be obliged to hand back the book you gave them so that you can then toss it on your bonfire and remove any evidence that you ever wrote that book in the first place?

Let's say you wanted to create a book for the benefit of you and 1000 of your friends and you wanted the book to be a collaborative project, let's call it the "Chivalry is NOT dead" book. You wrote the first two pages of the book and then handed the project off to the next person. They wrote a few paragraphs and handed it off to the next person. Then the next person added in their thoughts rebutting what an earlier person had said. Then the person who started the project wanted the book again to add in more of their comments. On and on and on the project goes until 492 comments have been added, 143 by the person who started the project and 349 by the other people who participated in the project, maybe 15 of those comments added in by me. Does the person who started the project of writing the "Chivalry is NOT dead" book have the right to collect all the copies of the project given to everybody and then throw them all in a big bonfire because she had second thoughts about the 143 comments that she chose to add in the process?

Personally, I value everything that Tera has ever said here. It is heartbreaking to me that she has the ability to vanish into thin air and has chosen that radical path of rejection against a community that she has invested so much time and energy and heart into. It is particularly galling to me that all the contributions that I have made into the various discussion projects that Tera initiated are no longer available to me or to anyone else. Perhaps that later issue can be rectified by resurrecting the different threads that Tera has started just leaving out the comments that she herself has made. Still, I see Tera removing her history from Antimisandry as a great tragedy. A tragedy that she herself wishes but a tragedy nonetheless.


As to the more general issue of a right to privacy, it is a sticky issue because it is not just the poster who is affected by what the poster says. Tera removing all her posts at Antimisandry is like Tera burning up her family photo album and we are all a part of her family and we all like to look at her family photo album that includes us in the different pictures who are a part of her Antimisandry family. I feel like just because Tera doesn't want to look at her Antimisandry family photo album anymore still she should not throw her family photo album into the fireplace because I want to look at her photo album sometimes and others here want to look at her family photo album sometimes. Does Tera's Antimisandry family photo album really belong to just her when all of our pictures doing different things together are included in this album?


To me this is all a great tragedy.


As to the more practical considerations of Tera maybe being punished in the future for her words here or her facing some kind of harm because somebody in the future will find out what all she said here, those sound like legitimate concerns that should be respected but Tera has been here for a considerable period of time and has revealed more personal information about herself than most of us have. Why is it all of a sudden that Tera would be afraid of negative repercussions from what all she has said here? If she was really afraid of people finding out specific negative things about her she could go to specific posts she has written where maybe she said too much and delete out the specific information that on second thought she figures she shouldn't have said. For her to just wholesale wipe out her entire posting history seems to be a far overboard reaction to her possible legitimate fear that specific things she has said might be used against her in the future.

That's how I feel about the subject. I suppose Tera has her own deeply felt reasons as to why she feels it necessary to get rid of her entire history here and of course Tera is more deeply affected by her history here than I am, but to me it seems like a big mistake. To me the past is important, even sacred, and to simply get rid of it is a big mistake.

[CaptDMO]

Oh goody, another thread ALL about "T**a".
Thanks "ST".
You serve her well.

[Garak]

Indeed, TERA shouldn't be able to have her posts deleted as it will ruin many threads continuity.
Also, is it just me or is this site really slow for the past few days. Every other page I have tested is fine, just this one seems to load as if I were on dial up again, 28.8 dial up.

[outdoors]

Also, is it just me or is this site really slow for the past few days. Every other page I have tested is fine, just this one seems to load as if I were on dial up again, 28.8 dial up.

for the last week or two-it has been really,really slow

it took over 5 minutes just to reply to your post

actually it takes so long sometimes that i don't even bother following through with replies

[Garak]

for the last week or two-it has been really,really slow

it took over 5 minutes just to reply to your post

actually it takes so long sometimes that i don't even bother following through with replies

Indeed, I have also skipped a few replies because it wasn't worth the wait.

Well, Karl...can ya put TERA's request on hold and look into the speed issues?

I am running:

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
Internet Explorer 8

[Marx]

Yes there is an issue with the speed - and I'm a little lost on what is causing it. I've done the typical maintenance jobs, but to no avail. I will research it further over the coming week.

As far as Tera's posts go - I have conceded to Tera's requests to remove her posts on a temporary understanding, so they can get lost in history a little. Once they're buried - they will all be revived, as will the topics that currently claim to be invalid.

I'm sorry about the inconvenience this may cause some, but I try to oblige people's requests when they leave here on respectable terms.

[Seattle Traditionalist]

Thank you Marx for telling me and everybody else here what is going on with Tera's posts and the threads that she started.

If the understanding is that Tera's posts and threads will be removed on a temporary basis so everybody can forget about her for the time being, that seems perfectly reasonable to me.

It appears that Tera is serious about her desire to quit being an active poster here at Antimisandry and if the temporary removal of her posts and threads allows her to better remove herself from the action here and allows others to forget about the drama she has recently stirred up here then that is all for the good and seems reasonable to me.

I for one am happy and satisfied with this arrangement.