Thread: What Drove You On To Become An Anti-feminist/MRA?

On one of the many message boards I frequent, someone gave out a link to Pook's blog. From there I visited many of the other men's movement blogs. I was shocked to find out what was there, and became very angry and motivated to do something about it. And yet, despite evidence from every-day life, my parents disagreed with me and made a point to ban these sites - forcing me to go on them in secret (I'm only 16 years old by the way).

I wanted to start a men's movement at my high school, but now I won't be able to do much activism until I become self-sufficient.:slap:

I have been an anti-feminist MRA since the fall of 1970, when the simple courtesy of opening a door for a young woman got me kicked in the knee, screamed at, and called all sorts of ugly names. Not long after that, a woman I was dating referred to her "consciousness raising sessions" as "thoroughly satisfying man-hating sessions."

Feminism always has been nothing but a hate movement, dressed up in PC language so that anyone who criticized it could be attacked as hating women.

Mine is far, far too long to express in a short post, especially one being posted at (localtime) 2:20am...
The short of it is:
Growing up in an anti-male atmosphere both at home & at school (by select tutors, not all). The barrage of 'man=bad/woman=good' within our media's various guises (paper, tv, etc.) and so forth. A feeling of inferiority due to ownership of male genitalia. Having seen with my own eyes the impact of having feminist inspired child-kidnapping (backed up by the boy's in blue), etc.
Although I believed a huge amount of what I read or heard as a youngster, I always knew something wasn't quite right, it was somewhat like having a jig-saw and you cannot find the right piece, so instead you simply jarr a similar one in. The picture looks wrong, the shape is clearly deformed, but it works...

I suppose , pretty much the same as Karl ,exept that I , for a while , fell for all the propoganda .
Despite having seen a relative bled dry during his divorce . Despite knowing how the "sufragettes" had ditched their princibles during the great war , to bravely hand out White feathers to men not in uniform ( even those invalided out of the forces) . Despite having been refused jobs ,in favour of women . I STILL used to go around , spouting about how women were oppressed etc .
Eventually ,when I joined the Labour party , I began to see how it was WOMEN that were running it ,and men were 2nd class citizens . Gradually , it dawned on me how women were running everything , especially the media .
Last year , I started to become interested in mens activisim by the BBC's summer of man-hate . It was disgracefull .It led me to explore MRA sites (such as Angry Harry) . Finally , someone posted the infamous "Knife block" post , on an outwardly "fluffy" man-hate site . (it gives the impression of being cuddly, till you dig a little deeper) . The reaction was incredible . ALL the women were saying they wanted on , some of the "men" were saying how good it was (The original poster claimed her husband and son both found it funny , what a pair they must be !!) I protested ,and began to get threatening Private messages .
It was that ,if anything ,that finally "tipped me over the edge" . I realised ,that men have to do something .
The fact is that these sites are read by VOTERS , eventually ,with enough of them reading them ,we MAY be able to turn over ,democraticly , decades of feminist oppression ,and have a life of equality .
I long for that day !

I'm in mood for a long rant(I could write a book so this is actually shortened somewhat):
My awareness of feminism kicked in the early 80's.I went with my Mum to a Victoria Wood "concert" .She sang her songs told jokes she did a fair bit of man bashing.
I remember thinking - cow whats eating her? That was when I was 18 - I found her as funny as a dead rat.Worse was to come I went to college and found we had lecturers preaching this feminism.Debating gender roles non stop, stirring up all sorts of conflicting emotions in impressionable young people.

I witnessed women who seemed normal transform into man hating twerps.
I remember a good friend I visited him in his flat which he shared with a feminist call her Emma.
Emma had drawn a cartoon of herself with shearers dripping in blood as ever male genitals the target.
"Let me at the bastard boys" it was hanging in the kitchen."HTF can you live with that ?"I asked.
He said:
"look..."he pulled out a hammer from under his bed.
"Just in case she gets the idea of trying anything during the night..I keep my door locked as well"

He had good reason to be alert. I was at a feminist lecture.- I had made the mistake of thinking It would be a relevant art history lecture.
It went on and on about how oppressed and awful those beastly male artists had been to women throughout history raping with their eyes.etc.
Some guys with me were actually nervous sensing this collective neurosis was critical.One guy with me was so angry he wanted to go and kick the feminist lecturer.I just got up and walked out.I can remember conflicting emotions
pity,anger,fear,cofusion.I feared my own anger more than I feared the demented feminist.Who later berated me with "men are scared" She was really a sad neurotic I mumbled something in response.

Emma came over to me in the canteen and grabbed me by the lapels of my coatand roared at me

"Why did you walk out?"
"You are one of Jacks lot!"
Jack was a sexist (his crime he liked painting women naked.)
I could see that feminism gave her a sense of power."Just not my scene"I said coolly.
"Brad you are not raising your conciousness"
at this I burst out laughing.....she looked puzzled and walked off.

I Ieft the college after a year sick of stalinist indoctrination.
My dreams of a career in art or graphics in tatters.
I took a crappy office job where there was a female
boss.Another bitch from hell I survived .Well
almost, I then was sent to another department
I was the only man in office of women.
This is where I had my shirt ripped off sexual harrassment -no just a bit of fun.One young woman told a lie to another senior woman in the office who believed her that moment on did not believe a word I said.I was accused of wrongly in not carrying out my duties. In fact I had to cover for them when they sneaked off together to hide out in another office where they could gossip and work at their leisure without phones to answer.In the meantime I had to answer the phones which were supposed to be shared between 4 workers.Sick and tired of it I left. A creepy guy in the union tried to get the women into "womens activism". I realised I had got out in the nick of time.After splitting with my girl friend (yes she went feminist)at the age of 22.
I did not go on a date with a single woman for 10 years,such was the level of contempt I experienced.
After all these years feminism has got worse
There is more I could write but I will summarise.
In every area of life I see feminism's stifling cloying
influence.The MASS suicides of men - ordinary decent men faced with unfair divorce settlements.Discrimination at work - under the name of equality.Young impressionable men subjected to negative hostile imagery and misandrist
propaganda continually spewing from the corrupt evil media (BBC ITV SKY C4 C5 -ALL of THEM)
The feminist bias in unis.colleges is still going on.In government commisions
(commisars socialstic fat cats on cushy numbers)the law courts.They are in positions of power and they have nasty little networks to promote their own kind.
They have an easy life off their ill gotten gains.
It is time they were kicked out it is time for accountability.Maybe all we have to do for our revenge is sit back and watch society fall apart.
Maybe our deliverance will come from a natural catastrophe.Maybe a really big one a cosmic one???

I started to become an anti-feminist sometime last year.
Think it was after being taught about feminism in my sociology lessons in college I began to think about how lame feminisms argument was. It helped me begin to put the pieces together about feminism and misandry and double-standards in society and how they were interconnected.

I suppose on some level I already knew how ridiculous it was.
How could I not?
It is shot through with double-standards, rediculous theories and full of moaning and whining and bitching about men.

-There are too many reasons about why I thought feminism was crap to list here, but here are a few:

I remember hearing about men hitting women and how it was -if you believed the reactions of feminists- worse than the holocaust.
But men being hit by women was a different matter.
It was aparently either non-existent ('women aren't abusive' ), 'justified' or 'funny'/'not serious'. Or, bizarrely all three-that's feminism for you eh?
I knew it was a load of crap, because I have seen plenty of women/girls hitting men/boys and not only that, hitting them with impunity.
Also, research into real figures of domestic violence on the internet last year was one of the reasons I started to find antifeminist sites - I was driven to do so by hearing what I eventually percieved to be bullsh!t statistics on domestic violence by feminists.

Then there was all the crap about equality of opportunity and women not having choices.
One of the things that I thought was this, 'What the hell are women whining about? How many men get the choice to stay at home and look after the kids? It's working the rest of your life until retirement for most men' - I certainly knew that I would rather stay at home with a family than go out and work, given a choice.
But apparently working was 'fun' and 'liberating'. Sure. 'Not when you have a family relying on you to bring in the income' I thought.
And all the stuff about women being underrepresented in certain jobs. Of course feminism didn't give a toss about men being underrepresented in certain jobs did it? They were probably 'too macho'.

Then there was the sheer amount of man-bashing and blaming men for everything under the bloody sun.
I'm glad to say that I was never really taken in by it, nor the rest of the feminist propaganda.
'surely men aren't that bad' I thought when I first heard all the feminist drivel. Eventually that turned into 'men aren't that bad'.
Then that soon turned into 'this is bullsh!t', especially when we would have class discussions about feminism and the female-majority class would just start bitching about men. The thing was, the feminists' writing and theories were just more eloquent versions of the girls' bitching in sociology class.
I'm ashamed to say that I didn't speak out against their man-hating tirade. But I suppose I didn't know enough to effectively speak out against them. And those who did were usually met by a load of personal attacks by several idiots, which had nothing to do with the issue at hand.
-Lots of people (or lots of men) say how feminism is a load of bollocks and how they are man-haters, but most people don't have the knowledge about feminisms effects to properly argue against it. That needs to change.

Then there was all the crap about men in the media.
-Innocent women and children killed. No men?
-'200 killed, including 25 women' Or something to that effect
-Crime TV dramas. Always evil men and innocent women
-Men always got longer sentences than women for the same crime and recieved far more scorn by the public
-Less attention for female criminals (unless it was seen as being something to gossip about-having an 'affair' with (raping) a kid, murdering a husband (empowering))
-TV ads for childrens charities - kids always seemed to be abused by a man
-Radio ads which were clearly aimed at men, although it never specifically said as much (the rape ads- 'if you have sex without consent, that is rape and you go to prison'). Effectively labelling all men as potential rapists. This really pissed me off.
-General belittling of men in the media. Always amuses me when people forget that most things were pioneered or invented by men.
So many more in this one that I can't be bothered to list or just can't think of.

In short, I realised feminism was SHITE.

i don't really know for sure when i became an anti-feminist. i'm growing up with mostly guys. i have four brothers and one sister, and my sister is twenty years older than me. in school, my closest friends were (and are) guys. so basically, save for my mom, i had only guys in my life. and i admit, i was a tomboy.

growing up, my parents had the "typical" roles. my dad works, and my mom stayed at home. i don't ever recall hearing my parents tell me that men had to work, and women had to stay at home... i just saw how successful my parents were with each other, and assumed that this was the right way to do things.

my dad, when he was 18 got his girlfriend pregnant, and despite what many of my female friends assumed, he stayed with her, married her and had another child with her. the marriage did not work out, and his wife, from what i've heard, is a total bitch. she turned their children against him, and took all of his money. my dad had to pay hundreds of dollars of child support (back in the 60's when that was a lot), and he was sleeping on his friend's pool table in a garage. his ex-wife told their kids that he wasn't giving them their money, when in fact, she was taking the money for her own use. when my dad remarried, he got custody of the kids, and they learned the truth.

despite all this, my dad joined his dad in a real estate business, and has inherited the business. he's making a great deal of money, and isn't letting his ex-wife bother him.

i LOVE my dad. he is the greatest man i've ever known. knowing all that about him and his first wife just makes me respect him even more. he doesn't get drunk at night and complain about all that he lost from her, and he's not holding some grudge against her.

nearly all of the girls i know and are friends with are men haters. i can't even see why, as none of them had a "horrible break-up" or anything like that. they expect that men will be their slaves, and they can be lazy bums. what i hate most, is how girls can comment on how ugly, fat, or dorky a guy is, but if a guy ever says anything like that about them, they cut their hair and stop shaving their pits. overdramatic, yes, but sometimes it feels like that.

i just hate seeing men disrespected, even though men have worked extremely hard for the world that we're living in now. i know that some women have helped as well, but for the most part, it is men. nowadays, it seems that women are bitching about nothing. i don't see what they can be complaining about. there's an opening position at some office, and it is between a man and a woman. guess who gets it? the woman. they are fighting for equality, when it just seems like they are passing equality and moving onto supremacy.

sorry for the rant/rambling. :P

I'd just like to add to Major Tom's post the claim that rape is the worst thing that can happen to a woman. Worse than death.

Really?

Well let's test that theory shall we?

"Right miss, you can either submit to being raped or have your arm sawn off right now / have your fingernails ripped out one by one / have one permanent scar added to your face".

That's right. I'm willing to bet alot of beautiful women would rather be raped at gunpoint than have their looks marred.

Case closed. More feminist rubbish.

Quote from reldihs

...they are fighting for equality, when it just seems like they are passing equality and moving onto supremacy.

Top banana observation, reldihs.
Oh, and welcome to the board
Please feel welcome to drop in to the introductions forum for a more formal greeting

I have to take issue with you , knight -errant .
Rape is one of the most foul ,evil crimes on Gods earth . You almost seem to be treating it as a joke . Before you accuse me of being a male-feminist ,check out some of my posts , karl has had to reign me in sometimes for my views .
The fact is, that rape ,is2nd only to murder . Your analogy of a woman choosing between rape and murder is a little bit silly . Of course a woman ( or a man ,don't forget ) would "coose" the former . Fact is ,no human being should be subjected to such a vile crime .
Sorry to interupt , back to the board

The fact is, that rape ,is2nd only to murder . Your analogy of a woman choosing between rape and murder is a little bit silly . Of course a woman ( or a man ,don't forget ) would "coose" the former . Fact is ,no human being should be subjected to such a vile crime .

Much as I respect the views of Sealion, I'm always a bit wary of someone who says, "The fact is..." and then goes on to state a subjective opinion. The judiciary seems to take an even more extreme view, women commonly receive lesser sentences for murder than men receive for rape.
If anybody can come up with an explanation for the 'fate worse than death' myth, I'm listening. But as you said - back to the board...

I reckon I became and MRA in spirit sometime in infancy. I looked at the life of my father and, when older, studied the lives of my forefathers and pondered, is this the fate of a man? To toil all their lives, to die on foreign fields? And for what?
I had already graduated when Feminism hit the fan. Things went from bad to worse. But then I started to travel. The further east I went the better it seemed to get. Femininity replaced feminism. At least the former is something that fathers (and mothers) can teach their sons about. The latter is different - 'you can't fight City Hall'. The former is appealing because it's creative, the latter is repulsive because it's destructive.

Now we have the internet and boards like this. Those of us who have spent most of our lives feeling isolated because of our views, can now seek out like-minded people.

Thank God there are so many younger men out there who know what's going on. Not only do they know, they have the words to articulate their insights and are taking appropriate action.

I don't disagree that rape is a horrible crime, but to say it's second only to murder is silly IMO.

Any form of assault is bad, some forms of it are worse than rape.

What about people who survive only in a vegetative state because of horrible things that were done to them? Or those who are permanently disfigured because of it?

In addition, the definition of rape has grown so hazy and conditional that even to debate its severity is questionable.

I'm sorry but I must respectfully disagree with Sealion. I do enjoy your posts though bro!

Some interesting stories here - and ones I'm sure lurkers will take comfort in reading

In regards to rape- I must say that the definition of it invites scrutiny -i.e. almost anything a man does now is classed as a form of 'rape'

But if we are to argue the case of forced penatrative sex at knife-point- sure, it's bad

But so is cutting a man's penis off or kicking him so hard in the testicles, he can no longer have children

The former is frowned upon

The latter is not

In fact- it is often laughed about or seen as a form of female 'empowerment'

Further- men can be raped- and they can be molested- yet this is seen as insignificant by feminists (no surprise there then)

In any case- I can think of far more serious crimes than rape, such as the examples listed by Knight-Errant

Don't see this as an attack on you Sealion- I actually have a great deal of respect for you

Rather- this is my belief here, and one I just can't keep silent on

Aboslutely. The last thing I'd want to do is attack Sealion as I have alot of respect for him