Interesting stuff, and kudos to those like Karl who valiently stand their ground (Oops - swear word).
Facing the crap head-on is brave. But could we consider how much headway we make in the 'open debate' forum? Unless we back up what we say by what we do, it's only idle chatter. The only consolation is that we are among friends.
Motivating our brothers to reject the currently accepted propaganda is one thing. Encouranging them to their lives according to the new manifesto is another. This board can play a part in both areas but the latter will really make the difference. Unfortunately it takes longer, and we goal-oriented men get impatient don'tcherknow!

It's been a while, and I see no further comments have been added...

So, I used the redundant comment box:

Aww tony, you're so certain of yourself - that you decline to allow for open debate...

What a 'real man' you must be

Let me guess, your wife told you to close comments and you replied "Yes Dear..."?

WAY TO GO, KARL!!!

You guys are going to lick this nonsense, I know you are. The whole house of cards built on nothing but lies is beginning to shake. It won't be long before it starts to crumble.

Well done!!