Radical MRA's are good at putting up straw feminists to knock down, ala Bob. You will ask them a question about equality, and rather than answer, they will either flood you with irrelevant studies, or say a feminist bitch is not worth answering because women did (A)

Or your obvious trolls like Mikee

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Do radical MRA's pose the same sort of danger?

They're not as prevalent, as are radical feminists (most feminists are radical, in absolute terms), so no.

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Might they embrace misogynistic ideas and preferences for male superiority while stating publicly that their goal is equality?

Could do; maybe by very definition, if they are, after all, 'radical'.

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How do you spot such a person involved in the movement

By their posts.

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and should we be wary of such people? Can they do damage to the MRA movement's reputation and hinder the movement as a whole? Should we be concerned about them or not?

I personally don't lose any sleep over it....

Until more moderates sign on I will work w/ the radicals on issues we find common ground on. But when they're wrong, they're still wrong. MRA or not. Being a part of the same movement as me in some fashion does not make you infallible.

Still trying to push your feminist agenda Tera?

We speak out far more often against radical MRA's than feminists do about their radicals. Most of us here have fought against a radical that has come here be they MRA or feminist.

But to be honest Tera go push your tripe somewhere else. You are accomplishing nothing with your ongoing shame tactics.

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Still trying to push your feminist agenda Tera?

We speak out far more often against radical MRA's than feminists do about their radicals. Most of us here have fought against a radical that has come here be they MRA or feminist.

But to be honest Tera go push your tripe somewhere else. You are accomplishing nothing with your ongoing shame tactics.

Chevalier,

If you can't see the point in asking or thinking seriously about these questions, then how serious are you of an MRA? These weren't meant to be easy questions to answer but they damn sure are relevant. I'm sorry if you don't like it.

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Radical MRA's are good at putting up straw feminists to knock down, ala Bob. You will ask them a question about equality, and rather than answer, they will either flood you with irrelevant studies, or say a feminist bitch is not worth answering because women did (A)

I think that's a good observation.

Tera you and I both know these aren't serious questions.

These are questions you have put forth to sow seeds of doubt within the movement. Nothing more.

The questions you are asking are not designed to change the MRM into a vehicle that will bring about positive change faster or how to better end misandry or anything like that.

Your questions are clearly designed to pick aprt the MRM until it either changes to suit you or until it is picked clean of it's membership because they are tired of hearing your constant critcisms.

So you can drop the act that these questions will somehow help the MRM as a whole when in reality they are designed to help you.

You may in fact want to end misandry Tera but bieng constantly critical of us does not help anyone {except you}.

You have been asked many times to instead of tearing us down with these stupid barrages of criticism to put forth your own ideas on how you think the goals of the MRM can be met while still making room for those of us who have been wounded by women to vent and talk about our concerns.

So far all we have seen out of you are the very charcteristics we are fighting against. Criticism and shaming language is pretty much all we get out of you. We don't need that here because we can get that from women nearly every where.

I'm not trying to shame anyone. I'm trying to ask some questions that yes, involve critical thinking. Introspection, individually, and as a group. It's not with the purpose of destroying the movement, it's with the purpose of uniting it, and gathering outside support and bringing it inward. I understand how it might look to you, and how distrustful you might be of a woman who raises these sorts of points or issues, particularly if you already see me as a feminist or feminazi.

And why would you doubt how serious I am to the mens's movement Tera? Except to shame me into silence. The more you push your agenda the more you prove you are not out for the MRM's benfit but for your own.

I have done far more for the MRM than you have. Yet you see fit to try to cast doubt on my commitment. How very two faced and devious of you.

Your shaming language and pot stirring will not work Tera because for as much as you try to tear us down you will only fortify us to fight harder against women like you.

In fact your posts here are one of the main reason I quit caring whether or not womens rights are lost in my fight for men's rights.

If you are going to do nothing but criticise and shame while saying you are a supporter then I have little hope that other women will come around to giving up their privileges in order to acheive equality for men. So if I must choose my rights or yours well then I will choose mine.

Besides the sooner we get rid of liberalism the sooner we can get back to rebuilding society.

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Tera you and I both know these aren't serious questions.

These are questions you have put forth to sow seeds of doubt within the movement. Nothing more.

The questions you are asking are not designed to change the MRM into a vehicle that will bring about positive change faster or how to better end misandry or anything like that.

Your questions are clearly designed to pick aprt the MRM until it either changes to suit you or until it is picked clean of it's membership because they are tired of hearing your constant critcisms.

So you can drop the act that these questions will somehow help the MRM as a whole when in reality they are designed to help you.

You may in fact want to end misandry Tera but bieng constantly critical of us does not help anyone {except you}.

You have been asked many times to instead of tearing us down with these stupid barrages of criticism to put forth your own ideas on how you think the goals of the MRM can be met while still making room for those of us who have been wounded by women to vent and talk about our concerns.

So far all we have seen out of you are the very charcteristics we are fighting against. Criticism and shaming language is pretty much all we get out of you. We don't need that here because we can get that from women nearly every where.

You're right, I offer a lot of criticism. Where there is valid constructive criticism, there is an opportunity for growth. But when it comes to shaming language...I'd say I've used it on occasion, but been on the receiving end more often than I have wielded it. (And no that's not an excuse or justification, because I know it's wrong regardless.) Words like "skank," "liar", misandrist, "meth mouth" (thanks Haahoo...), feminazi, stupid, crazy, so on and so forth...even had former member "threaten to kick my ass." I've had the nasty comments left on my profile page and more in PM's...point is, at least in this forum, no one has a corner on shaming language, though many try to say that only "feminists" use it. That's just not really the truth, though, is it?

Bullshit tera if you were trying to unite then you would come up with ideas that promote the MRM instead of critcising it constantly.

Do you actually believe what you are saying?

There is no evidence of you uniting anything and tons of evidence of your criticism and pot stirring. You are trying to make issues out of such non issues as the word feminazi.

For pity's sake just tell us what your ideas are instead of picking us aprt with your strawman army.

Constructive criticism? Really how have they been constructive? I have yet to see you promote anything constructive in your critcisms.

Here is an example of a constructive critcism because clearly you do not know the difference.

"Hey Jimmy if you choke up on the bat you will get more control and power."

The same example using your methodology.

"Hey Jimmy your poor swinging made us lose"

That is the difference between the two Tera.

I've put forth several ideas over the last six months, and pretty much what I hear back is that I'm trying to promote a feminist agenda. Almost no one here (with the exception of a few) looks any deeper for the truth about what I'm saying. My ideas aren't valid, I guess, because I'm a woman and perceived as a feminist. Chev, it's ironic that you say it's my posts that are making you not care about women's issues...because it's your posts and similar others that tempt me to walk away from the men's movement. I'll tell you this: it takes a lot of inner strength to stick around. You say you've done more for the men's movement than I, and that may be very true. I've only been actively involved for the last six months...yet you are likely not aware of what I have done, what I am doing, outside of this forum, and what I'm trying to do within. You think you know things about me...but what you perceive isn't accurate. I cannot change that. I've tried, and am no longer willing to waste my time in that regard.

I put these last few questions about the MRA movement out there to get people to think more deeply about the direction the movement is headed, how we can gather more political power, and in what ways....I feel very reluctant to post my ideas because every time I do, this is the kind of shit I have to contend with: "she's trying to divide, conquer, destroy, shame us, silence us, push a female agenda.." O.k. there are some of you who are going to believe that crap regardless. There's nothing I can do about it.