An article written by Scot Beard in 2004: What do men's rights groups protest?

Why can't some women admit that they are, in fact, creators of their own issues? Men aren't forcing women into acting like sex objects. Women are choosing that for themselves. No one's putting a gun to these women's heads and forcing them to participate as Victoria Secret models.

If you want respect, earn it. If you don't want to be treated like a sex object, don't act like one.

If you don't want guys looking at your cleavage, stop wearing low cut shirts. It's really very simple.

All too often people have a hand in creating the situations they hate....and then they blame others for the very things over which they themselves have created. Wake up people! You can't have it both ways.

Like my avatar says, "be the difference you want to see in the world" (quote from Mahatma Gandi)....you want change: change yourself.

I don't go with the flow, at least in Hereford, as i'm writing this up i'm drinking a beer, it's been quite a sressfull day.
Maybe at some point i will be able to escape this place called Hereford" worst place to live in UK.

If their was a job i could start tomorrow, then i could get pissed, but not in this HELL HOLE.
Even the Hereford Times forum has been closed down, i'm not suprised.

Comming in to Hereford, or passing, it would be nice to meet new faces and have a chat!

This guy Beard is an effing mangina. He is either unaware of or deliberately ignoring LEGAL discrimination against men and in favour of women.

And enough of the stereotypes: men can and do live in many ways, from poorest to richest, least educated to most etc.

Beard is exactly the kind of useful idiot welcomed in the mainstream media.

Well said. I'm glad you're on our side.

"What? Why do we need men's rights groups? Have men become so helpless they can't solve their own problems? Are we really that repressed? How did we get to this point?"

the feminits have steadily being amending the law relating to marriage for the last forty years until now the marriage contract is potentially a peonage contract upon the frequent occurrence of divorce

men's groups are focusing upon the inequity of this status quo with a view to changing it - after all, the politically correct feminits now refer to their men "partners" but married menare more like attendants or slaves in function

men are not born to be peonage slaves to their wimin by corrupted femints marriage laws

I think men do need men's rights groups.

Men have changed. And as time goes on we will see a new breed of men.

Marriage is finished for any groups that are for rights. That is the Government marriage.

Religion still holds fast on tradition. Only when religion is scrapped by both men and women rights groups will we see a world we have not known before.

'Men have changed. And as time goes on we will see a new breed of men."

if you come here to Sydney Australia such are are here already

you can see hundreds of them in the gay bars along Oxford Street of an evening

Quite right, however, mens "rights" groups offer a civilized manner to address Socialist
Duplicity, without resorting to the means historically proved expediant and definitive.

Defenestration is one such extreme tactic used as a distinctly political measure. Sadly, the Eternally Offended class, known for protesting from the depths of their parents (or OTHER subsidized) basement apartments, seem to cling desperately to such implied special protections, well into adultho....um....the age of legally recognized emancipation.

I think Beard is the perfect example of the average man who is not in the MRM and is why he has failed and we have failed. How so? Let me give details:

What's wrong with him:

1) Mr. Cool: He is so obsessed with being cool that until every other guy/ bloke jumps on the bandwagon and tells him, over the endless beers that he seems to connect to being cool, that men should fight back against the system that says what being cool is, he will not get off his cool pedestal and get involved and bless us with his superior insight.

2) I'm an individual: I'm special, I wear what most other men wear, I'm drink want many men drink, I'm sleeping with what other men sleep with (attention whores), and I say what most men say (to be cool), yet somehow through all the other these things and more I'm not really just a cliche of a man, I'm really an individual!

Now, I see he may be trying to make fun of guys and beer drinking in his outline, but that is in itself what everyone is doing right now and so makes the point too.

3) I have a solution: Here even though he admits he isn't into the cause and hasn't studied much of the issues (as he is too cool) he still has the curse we have even in the cause with men on the inside our ranks. That is, "I have the solution." Would a man feel the same to do this if we were building a bridge, or going to the moon? Who cares about details let's just wing it, as I know everything!?!?! "Just place some duct tape over that hole Sherlock." I think we can see such men for what they are?

Where are the quotes from others to justify his positions, are there any other men that he might know of, that know more than him? I guess not, for he has the solutions and it involves him being as special as his mother has taught him to be. He is the "bees knees."

4) Men have gotten where we are by not cooperating: He sees the western world has been created by individual men doing things by themselves and not cooperating with others. As he says," Have men become so helpless they can't solve their own problems? 95% of men could have handled their wives and gotten access with their kids as men are stronger, more committed and willing to go to the mats for something they feel strongly about. So as individauls they can hold there own quite nicely thank you very much.

Unfortunately the state has sided, in all but name, on the side of women, and thus the police ( many men who could beat the piss out of Mr. 6 foot bearded man), judges, tax men, shrinks, and more are all in front of your kids, and most men's wifes are in fact even standing behind the kids (using them to protect herself from all things she fears-endless as they are).

So how does one man over come these odds as an individual?? This isn't like the movies which show small women , kids and pets defeating all the men and system to win. Get real "Mr. Cool" you are not a Hollywood star just yet.

A man could get violent agains these odds, but then this kind of man wouldn't meet Mr. Beard approval either, as that would "not be cool." Should a man accept to never see his kids and become a sheep to be used? Is that cool, tough and casual enough for you Mr. Beard?

Or should he unite with others, as all successful western men have done to bring about change thoughout our long and glorious history(that is constantly revised to point out our failings and demean our successes)?

What's wrong with us:

Mr. Beard is the average man we meet out there in our societies, and we must turn him away from his ways (which are in fact the ad company ideals of what a man is). He is obsessed with being cool, acting like he is an individual, and postuiring as if he has all the answers, without even taking the time to read anything on the issues, and quote anyone else.

To try and be cool is to follow a frivolous fashion, and thus such men will follow things in the end, not lead.

Our problem is in not seeing such men as weak, and this is why they have such a built up set of walls to protect themselves from the lack of knowledge they have, and as to why our societies have prospered in the past despite such cool obsessed men.

He can be this way because he is fashionable and cool, and we mistake these things for knowledge (as do effetes do). The only difference is this man's fashion taste is to be male like, but he may turn to being a metrosexual when all the other men in his group sign on. I would bet a lot of money what his friends think is manly doesn't match what even his dad friends in their youth thought was manly. His friends no doubt will have some Dr. Phil ideas, and are being nibbled to death by ducks.

We must try to convince these kind of men much later. They come second last. The last men being the Manginas. Our serious problems is in waisting time with such fashion victims and their big walls of over comfidence.

When women try to be tough they do the same things. They have a host of one liners that meet all logical arguments, and you end up getting into a playground argument.

Mr. Beard uses his size to win the argument in a way, as if such things mean anything. I'm 6'4" and could possible mop the floor with him, as a champion freestyle heavyweight wrestler, but that wouldn't prove anything. Yet when the outside means more than the inside, in the effete world we live in, such outside things are put forth as proof of Mr. Casual and cools skills????

Forget these types and find men that can cooperate in deeds, have spent the time to read, and can learn to quote others that they feel are those we should follow.

These weak men have been built up by mommy to think they are great for being "just as they are." It is the end result of effete leadership in bringing up the family. Fathers push more for what you do or make is what makes you special, while women push for "just being you" is enough.

Find the right kind of men first, and leave the playground to the "special for what they are" cool-casual types.

This Beard fellow just doesn't get it. He probably doesn't get the other 'it' half as often as he'd like us to think, either.

But he does show us the 'silent majority' of half-wits who belch and fart and think that doing so defines a man. No so silent in his case as he joins the fray writing articles that only make matters worse. He is currying favour with the women, of course, even when seeming to talk to the men. (Talking of curry, he didn't mention spewing Vindaloo and Stella on a Saturday night). He is a pub loudmouth who wants the short-skirts in the corner to hear him slagging off other men.

Tim analyses better than I - as usual. Life tends to deal with the Scot Beards sooner or later. He will come home one night to his ever-loving and find a policemen waiting to haul his arse off on some false allegation ("He farted, officer". "Did 'e now. Oi think my Sergeant will want a word wiv 'im"). and he will wonder why the local Men's Group is standing outside his cell window chanting "Wanker".

CaptDMO likes my good friend Amfortas's solution for these types, although the Old Fella has Academics and high Ivory Towers in mind for the defenestration bizzo. But there is no need to restrict such an elegant method to just Professors. Feminist fellow-traveller writers will do nicely as a warm-up act.