Anti-feminist:

Someone (male or female) who recognises the lies & hate of feminism and wishes to see an end to the political malice.



MRA:

Someone who observes the lack of equality for men in today's society and advocates for better rights.

The two aren't the same - but because of the way feminism promotes misandry, they may as well as be.

Bring anti-feministic goes hand-in-hand with being an MRA; 'cause feminism sure as Hell does all it can to destroy men's rights.

I think the word 'activist' gives us a clue as well. Someone who gets off their butts and tries to DO something.

The Men's Movement is a response to the Gender War being waged against Boys and Men. Men have after four decades, the last two being especially egregious in our mistreatment. Decided to join the battle. And we are openly disputing the Feminists wherever we confront them. Feminism and its core beliefs are the basis in the US at least of our legal and judiciary.

A Sitting Judge wrote a book about this. How Feminism is corrupting the Judiciary. When Men began to withdraw in large numbers in a mitigation strategy, known as the Marriage Strike. Feminists reacted by calling Men who married Foreign Non Feminized Women as Abusers, Wife Beaters, Rapists, and Domestic Abusers. IMBRA was a Fascist intrusion into the personal communication of US Men with Foreign Women. It automatically labels all US Men as criminals, Violent Abusers of Women. Amanda Marcotte the Liar, Fraud, and Drunken Skank has labelled Men who marry Foreign Women as such. In FemAmerica only Women are free to Make Choices. And the only Right that Men have is to remain Silent.

US Men from the time they are boys are labelled as Future Rapists and Abusers of Women. When Men finally and fully reject US Women they can thank their Skank Feminist and Lesbian Feminist Sisters. Just before they are forced to wear Bhurkas.

guess i am both!

I have gone far beyond even feeling any need to respond to this. If feminists are so damned brilliant they can do their own homework and their own situation analysis. So far what has worked best for me in my little projects is knowing that they believe their own dogma and propaganda, and that makes them very predictable.

My observation:


A lot of MRA's are anti-feminists, but not all of them are. I consider myself a supporter of MRA's, but I am not an anti-feminist.

That makes me very unpopular in this forum.

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My observation:


A lot of MRA's are anti-feminists, but not all of them are. I consider myself a supporter of MRA's, but I am not an anti-feminist.

That makes me very unpopular in this forum.

That makes you very conflicted. You apparently are for men and agaisnt men, for anti-men hate, and against anti-men hate.

Or maybe not really. Sometimes we wonder about you.

Blessings

Bob

Yes, Bob, I am conflicted. I want to be an MRA, in my heart I am one, but I cannot and will not turn my back on women in order to support men. I don't believe that it has to be that way.

Maybe it would be best for me to embrace neither label.

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Yes, Bob, I am conflicted. I want to be an MRA, in my heart I am one, but I cannot and will not turn my back on women in order to support men. I don't believe that it has to be that way.

Maybe it would be best for me to embrace neither label.

Unlike feminism, being an MRA does not demand hating half of the planet's population. Unlike feminism, being an MRA does not release 'MRA studies' which constantly bash half the planet's population in order to promote hatred & ill-feelings. Unlike feminism, being an MRA does not say with one face "We are the same (not just equal) and only 'the patriarchy' steers us in different directions' while the other face says "we, as men, are inately superior at a genetic, sexual, biological, spiritual and emotional level...".

If you deem to name yourself an anti-feminist OR an MRA, it has never called for demonizing women - or for you to turn your back on them. Admitedly, some men have turned their back on women by taking up a pledge of bachelorhood (if that's the correct term). They want a life of peace and minimal conflict.

Feminism has demanded a war be waged on a group who have tried their damn hardest to not fight... we are taught from day one - "never hit a woman", while women are taught "sexually assaulitng men is funny".

See the difference here?

antifeminism is only the art of spotting lies & hypocrisy from a mile away.
being an MRA is only asking for men to be equal to women.
being a feminist is hating men, tearing their children from their arms, claiming superiority at every level, smugly laughing at sexual assault upon us (and yes, this has been shown even on YA!) and so on.

Where do I want to be today?

Asking for equality?

Or supporting hatred?

Marx,

I see a sexism in both movements. Granted, the sexism is not the attitude or actions of every member, but there are a few bad apples in each bunch and I'm starting to wonder if it be best not to embrace either label because of it.

Show me two 'studies' by an MRA or antifeminist which claims women bad/men good, and I'll show you ten studies from a feminist perspective that say man bad/woman good.

Show me two books by an MRA or antifeminist which claims women are genetically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually and sexually inferior to men, and I'll show you ten books from feminists stating that men are inferior in the above categories.

Show me two tabloid or broadsheet articles from an MRA or antifeminist which claims women are less honest or less capable than men, and I'll show you ten articles from tabloids /broadsheets from a feminist author saying men are less capable or less honest than women.

Show me two studies on domestic violence, from an MRA or antifeminist which ignores men as part of the problem, and I'll show you ten studies on domestic violence by feminists which not only ignore women's invovlment, but excuse any if it is somehow mentioned.

And so on... and so on.

In fact, we can do 'one' and 'five' to make it easier.

What I'm saying here, is there may be some sexism on the MRA side - but there is easily five, ten, one-hundred times more hate from feminists upon men than there is from MRA's upon 'women' (note the difference between 'women' and 'feminists').

I see a sexism in both movements. Granted, the sexism is not the attitude or actions of every member, but there are a few bad apples in each bunch and I'm starting to wonder if it be best not to embrace either label because of it.

TERA, this is plain silly. Starting to wonder indeed, and in the 'spit the dummy' direction. No one person or ideology is perfect but some are so beyond the pale that they obviate comparisons.

Sexism is inherent in any gender issue. Limiting it is the aim. being objective is the aim. Feminists revel in creating it. Labels are sometimes useful but again feminists do not like recieving, only giving labels.

You make an unecessary dichotomy, a choice. It is a 'category error'. You have covered those in your studies, haven't you?

Look at the architecture. Marx has outlined it in brief for you, like a study precis.

Most MRAs are pro-women. They are anti-feminist.

No wishing to have anything to do with women is one strand, one strategy of the MRM, which a few pursue. A strand born out of profound disappointment, not hatred. As a counsellor you really need to differentiate feelings better.

It is just so usual for women these days to say they feel 'hatred' when disappointed. And it is so usual for women to project their crude feelings onto men. Men usually find it quite easy to differentiate feelings even if they are just as poor as woman in putting the correct words to them.

Have you covered Projection yet?

'Woman' does not equal 'Feminist'. One is simply a grubby and vile sub-set of the other.