That's sad. I am not well familiar with MRS. Mcelroy but if she gets a lot of emails like those from Dave then I can see why she would abandon the MRM.

I don't know what her specific points of veiw are on the MRM but it is always sad to see a supporter leave the movement due to threats like the ones she recieves.

It's sad that SYG has been named as part of the reason WM has decided to walk away. What concerns me a great deal is that I agree with her, it makes no sense (to me, at anyrate) to attack her as being anti-male when she has clearly been pro-male. Why would a Father attack her when, to my knowledge, she's never wrote anything particularly bad and has been supportive? I can't help but wonder, if 'Dave' could just be 'Davina' by day, and 'Dave' by email...

I personally do not like her much, I recall communicating to her when I first began an interest in MRM. She deleted my account instantly. I emailed asking what I'd done to offend, and received no response.

To this day, I'm still stumped what caused that to occur.

Regardless, she has been a great addition to the MRM and it is a shame for her to leave under such circumstance.

i don't remember that incident but perhaps i was not yet a member of SYG

Damn I always liked her.

It's an unfortunate situation all the way around.

Not only is the loss of Mrs. Elroy unfortunate, but it's unfortunate that the deplorable behavior of a few is casting a negative reflection upon a most valid and worthy cause.

I also think it's wrong of Mrs. Elroy to portray the whole of the MRA in a negative light because of the actions of the few.

One thing to keep in mind though, Kim... She persists in referring to herself as a 'feminist', an 'individual' feminist, but a feminist nonetheless.

So, portraying the entire group based on a select few, is nothing out of the ordinary.

Does she still believe in men's rights, though?

I recall the incidents and the whole meltdown of relations well. The attacks on Wendy by some neanderthals at SYG were dreadful.

Wendy has been a long term supporter of Men's Rights; far longer than most men here. She has National and International profile. She has written countless aticles in the mainstram press and had many articles on Fox. Every one male -positive. She has done a tremendous job at building a large force for good amongst young women in Universities to counter radical feminism.

Wendy has done more and more positively for Men than most men on most sites. She is up there with Mike LaSalle, David Usher, Carey Roberts, Stephen Baskerville et al.

And we still see invective thrown at her and similar women of standing and a refusal by some to countenance women as allies in this fight.

I can understand some men being severely disappointed by women in general - I am one such - but the refusal to see the good ones and distinguish them from the bad and the indifferent is just plain stupid. The refusal to try and welcome women to our cause is taken to extremes by some who have a constant knee-jerk reaction. Let's forget about their knees and just recognise the jerks.

While I try to encourage women who come here and who express a desire to learn and develop perspective, I am heartly sick and tired of being branded as 'soft' by hypocritical, self-praising fuckwits who damage any chances of building a united response.

The recent attack on me by one such prominent hypocritical fuckwit and his little boy's gang here over the women issue has left me wondering whether to just retire from the internet battleground as it stands today altogether. I despair of the blindness and hypocricy and the failure to distinguish. There are other ways for me to do my part elsewhere.

The MRM has to take a stong and hard look at itself.

I have tried hard over the past year to get some to take that look. But at every turn we get the same refusal and hubris. Prejudice reigns. The same excuses. The same driving away possibly good women and clearly good men.

After I read this I thought: "What a bitch!"

Knowing of Wendy McElroy though I knew I wouldn't find support for that assumption but that is what I thought.

She was rude to Marx for no reason and she did slam the MRM pretty hard. I don't call that an ally.

I still think she is a bitch.

As for Dave. Yeah, how the hell do we know that was even real? Any of us could make up a hateful email and claim it came from any feminist in the world, couldn't we?

Let's pretend though, that this email is real. It is clear Dave has case of mistaken identity, yet she would take personal offense?

After I read this I thought: "What a bitch!"

How profound can you get. Keep digging a huge hole for the MRM Garak.

When you have done one tenth the work for Men's Rights that she has, let us all know, won't you.

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How profound can you get. Keep digging a huge hole for the MRM Garak.

When you have done one tenth the work for Men's Rights that she has, let us all know, won't you.

Just another women for you to defend eh Percy?

Doesn't matter what her present is, only her past. In her present though she is doing her best to make the MRM look bad but you're willing to give her a pass because she has done more for the movement that I have.

If Bill Gates came out today and said "Linux rulz, Windows suck" and then went into detail just to let us all know that he is serious. Do you think the folks at Microsoft would be saying "well, he has done alot for us in the past so that means he is more Pro-Microsoft than we are". NO!

You seem to have a God-delivered road map for the MRM Percy. Clearly you know who has and is benefitting the movement while you also know who has not and is not benefitting the movement. You wanna share that road map with us or is it just a matter of arrogance?

You are arrogant and condescending and maybe we should start taking turns tell you that you are harming the MRM!

So far I have not noticed anything related to Wendy McElroy internationally.

Can anybody show me anything written by her, strongly against feminists and pro-men?

I do not know anything what she has done for men. This does not mean, that she did nothing for men.
Maybe she has done something for men in US/Canada, which never made it over the border.

By some biographies I read on the internet, she considers herself as anarchist and feminist and she is pro-pornography, and what else?

She is active or the owner (?) of ifeminist website, it's not hostile like Ginmar's blog, but I would say, it's a moderate website, not hateful against men, but feminist. At least I see it like that, but I do not visit that website frequently.

Unwanted email - this is no reason and no valid excuse...I also get abusive emails from feminists, racists and other people - may I add that all these hate-emails are from USA and all in English, usually from places I will never visit in my life...some people like to send hate-email...and?

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I recall the incidents and the whole meltdown of relations well. The attacks on Wendy by some neanderthals at SYG were dreadful.

As were the "attacks" she and "Brad" defended AGAINST MRM supporters, and other hetrosexual white male conservitive Americans on her old forum, and "private" forum, that she decided to vaporize the archives of, after her own words proved a bit too embarrassing to
be allowed simple cut-and-paste reference to. She, and "Brad", are FAR more measured in their offerings now.

[quote]Wendy has done more and more positively for Men than most men on most sites. She is up there with Mike LaSalle, David Usher, Carey Roberts, Stephen Baskerville et al.
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Hmmmm. Try not to lump those astonishingly diverse folk, of distinctly diverse value to MRM interests, together as one in the same sentence.

I wonder why Ms. McElroy's name no longer seems to be connected with the international Independent Institute, or even The Lighthouse.

I recognize the efforts Ms. McElroy has made. I did so with a critical eye.
I occasionally surf through two of her current sites.
I examined the books of her library that she was trying to sell. Cash in hand.
Nothing, NOTHING, valuable to me.

As a man, I owe no debt to Ms. McElroy, or her champions, based on HER "intellectual work".

There is a constituency of Men in our Movement who use their keyboards as a weapon attacking Friend and Foe alike. On the mancoat forum I have some Person named Lemur calling me a NeoCon and spouting Talking points. He is a vacuous idiot. Somebody who does not have two brain cells to rub together in his empty skull. Years of postings on multiple forums and a registered Democrat and this Dim Bulb calls me a NeoCon.

I have taken some heat about Sarah Palin. Who today Amanda Marcotte of Pandagon says is a working for the Rape Lobby.

hxxp://pandagon.net/index.php/site/comments/sarah_palin_working_for_the_rapist_lobby/

Yeah my fantasy all right that Feminists are many of them Mentally Ill. Here folks is more proof. Of how disconnected from reality these Women are. NOW officially endorses Obama and VAWA Joe Biden. Proving they are Socialists not really interested in Women's Rights and degenerate Liars as well. Time to take off the Gloves and kill them on their Lies and propaganda.

They are at risk of Losing power. Their support amongst normal Women is paper thin. And Sarah Palin is offering for the first time in decades an alternative viewpoint of Feminism. In other words all doors are open to you if you can and will do the job. Even President of the US. If you have the skills, courage, and ability there are no limitations, except self imposed limitations of the Victimhood and Lesbian Man Hating Sisterhood.

Wendy McElroy deserves a big apology. The asshats attacking her were attacking one of our early Women Advocates. Go ahead piss all over our Friends and turn them into enemies. There are too many Men in the Movement whose egos are out of control. And who talk big and do nothing.