We Are Victims Of Our Own Success

**Male-Rights-Network** · 28th-December-2006

Us men are victims of our own success. Some time in the early 20th Century perhaps we reached the zenith of our contributions to society - with engineering, industrialisation, exploration and theories of physics. We provided the 20th Century the technological backbone for its rapid social and economic advances.

I ask: Have we reached the end of this period of great innovation, where we make revolutionary changes to systems? I ask: Has knowledge developed enough that it is sufficient to develop knowledge in small increments, in a maintainance rather than revolutionary fashion? Is it possible that society will "live off" our innovations for hundreds or thousands of years to come, only making minor improvements?

Having provided democracy, technology and industry, all of these things are now being used against man. The machines we invented are making our physical strength less important. Our unravelling of DNA is making cloning, artificial creation and other genetic experiments possible. Our printing presses and broadcasting systems have allowed marketers to redefine masculinity and feminity; invariably undermining the male. Our sperm will one day be fabricated largely because of our own scientific advances; we will make our biological necessity redundant by our own knowledge. Conversely, our knowledge will create the artifical womb.

Men are innovators by nature. Testosterone ensures that men do not accept status quos; we stray, we break apart, we take things apart and re-construct them. Almost all inventions were created by man; this is no accident. Even leaving out educational history, men always innovate most in the arts and in engineering. We do so because we instinctively feel we must do something "different". Women simply do not innovate in the same way; their physical and mental make-up decide this. This is not to say that they are of lesser intellect, they simply do not want to rebel and in turn innovate and revolutionalise in the way men do. Men are much more isolated beings, whereas women are very much concerned with the collective. Women can manipulate any man's system and even "work with it" better than men, but she will be less inclined to innovate. That's why it's up to the man to set up the technologies and systems in the first place.

In the 20th and 21st Century, we have developed so far that the need to innovate is diminished, and we are becoming victims of our own success. We are being overpowered by the brilliance of our centuries of innovation. The Matriarchy would simply not be possible in a less well developed society; there would be too much room for deconstruction and improvement. But the Matriarchy is here, and it is defeating us with our own knowledge and tools.

As a gender, we are destined to become further marginalised and disposable throughout this century. The writing is on the wall as far as this is concerned - in our types of work, in education, in global economics, in government. At worst, we will become C-class citizens and drones in the few areas of heavy industry that absolutely require male strength, or the areas that the females are too embarrased or proud to pursue (i.e. low-wage, politically unimportant work). At best, the feminists (or should we say, the women, the rulers) will make some concessions because of male rights agitation, to ensure we have nominal representation in the media, education and government. Otherwise the low-wage heavy work would not get done. In a time which does not require innovation and deconstruction, and only incremental improvements, women will be preferred and men will be somewhat redundant. (I'm looking one-to-two hundred years from now, by the way; and as I say, it isn't hard to predict, the writing is on the wall.)

But let us remember that the vast systems which the feminists are turning against us, and the global economics that are in place, result from centuries of almost all-male innovation.

**mirwalk** · 28th-December-2006

I personally don't think that this will be the case. If you look at the Black ghettos you see what the world is headed to. If the entire country turns to this then you will not see civilization but chaos. Crime will be sky high and welfare will be the norm. I think this instead sets the stage for a revolution, for a return to old ideals. It may correct itself this way instead of going farther down the path.

Of course with a number of terrorist nations trying to get thier hands on nuclear weapons, a few bombs may go off. That would make a large shift in the population. Men may be valued as the protector again with women cowering in the wings.

**mirwalk** · 28th-December-2006

Sorry, the second paragraph is meant as another scenario not the revolution scenario. Of course that may happen too.

**dad_savage** · 28th-December-2006

Innovation is only intensifying. It took two million years to advance from the old stone age to the new stone age. The new stone age started around twelve thousand years ago, lasting for only a few thousand years, with the onset of agriculture and urbanization we have come from primitive irrigation and small urban settlements to post-industrial in four thousand years.

Every reason that existed to innovate in the old stone age still exists now.

**bachelor tom** · 3rd-January-2007

I think mirwalk has it, once things break down (disease, war, natural disasters etc) then men will be respected again

I agree with MRN that we have been so successful that western women can live a whole life without facing any of the dangers of previous generations, hell they don't even have to have babies anymore if they choose not to - they grow up protected from everything including the weather (and aging, if you believe the infomercials)

so where is the gratitude?

**the sad geek** · 3rd-January-2007

In essence, Western women are spoilt rotten.

The way I see it the problem is an excess of love on the side of men.

This used to be compensated by the negativity of primitive society (barbarism, poverty, disease, ...). Because of the effectiveness of enlightened patriarchy that is now gone. The result is an imbalance.

How to solve this?

Society could collapse, reintroducing barbarism. Or we could stop loving women so much. Personally, neither of those choices appeals to me.

I think women need more discipline. To be administered by other women, in the form of shaming and blaming. Something like a masculinist Oprah. That's why I think it's so important to get women aboard the masculinist movement.

With regard to the scenario Male-Rights-Network sketches, such a society already exists: it's called China. I mean this in the sense of a tendency to stagnate and be collectivist, needing outside impulse to grow.

Still, the existence of China did not prevent the brilliant innovations of Europe and America. Then again, the world was less connected in earlier times. They couldn't outcompete us until recently.

I've always strongly believed in the usefulness of manned space travel. It could be a way to create new 'islands' where human cultural evolution could continue, unimpeded by the matriarchal hordes of drones now threatening to smother progress itself.

**SupaMike** · 5th-January-2007

Ahhh, I think I have found a home, thanks Mirwalk!!!

**mirwalk** · 5th-January-2007

Always glad to get a new member on board.

**Cowhead418** · 5th-January-2007

Quote from SupaMike

Ahhh, I think I have found a home, thanks Mirwalk!!!

Good to see you here!

**SupaMike** · 5th-January-2007

Quote from mirwalk

Always glad to get a new member on board.

Thanks, I was looking, and I wanted to know, am I allowed to start a thread, or do you have to have special privileges to do so?

**SupaMike** · 5th-January-2007

Quote from Cowhead418

Good to see you here!

Thanks Cowhead, I plan on posting to this subject very soon.

**mirwalk** · 6th-January-2007

Quote from SupaMike

Thanks, I was looking, and I wanted to know, am I allowed to start a thread, or do you have to have special privileges to do so?

No special rights needed. If you want to make a thread, go ahead.

**SupaMike** · 6th-January-2007

Heck I am lost, I dont know how to start a thread, all I am doing is posting to what I can see.

**mirwalk** · 6th-January-2007

When you are in any forum, and you see a list of threads, there should be a "new thread" button at the top. This is right before the threads are listed. Just punch that button and it will give you a window like the reply screen. Then just put in your title and whatever else.