“You could tell that he wanted the females,” Cassidy said on NBC’s “Today” Thursday. “He tapped me on the shoulder and he told me to leave the room. I told him, ’I don’t want to leave.”’

“He told me that if I didn’t go then he would pretty much kill me,” Cassidy told ABC’s “Good Morning America.” “I noticed that he wanted to keep the females in the class. That’s the main reason why I didn’t want to go because I’m sure the girls would have felt more support if there would have been some males in the class with them.”

He wanted to stay in the class because he thought the girls would have felt more support if there had been more males in there, even though he might have been killed had he chosen to stay?
He's certainly a brave lad.


-Out of interest, I wonder if he had been in the same situation, except it had been a class full of boys held hostage, would he have told the gunman that he didn't want to leave?
-Would a girl in his situation have told the gunman she wanted to stay in the class had some gunman taken a classroom of girls hostage?
-Alternatively, would a girl in that situation have told the gunman she wanted to stay in the class had some gunman taken a classroom of boys hostage?

Well noted MT
Protective male instincts even at that age...versus a misdirected male instinct.
While I dont know the details of the case it is significant he picked the girls out.
The media will cry sexism and patriarchy at this incident yet I will put money on it- it is the same motivation as Marc Lepine in Montreal University 1989. He shouted something about "feminists ruining his life"and murdered several women, then killing himself.

This is not to say he is not responsible for his own moral failure he is.
(There is too much the environment made me do it these days)
It is time however others - in the state and media - who should know better - faced their moral responsibilities.

Those who continually provoke men through mass media (and all the other problems we know all to well) have helped push an imbalanced individual over the edge.That is my guess.If the state and media were sincere they would honestly try to get to the root of horrible events like this.
Why is this so hard for the media and others to admit or explore this and help PREVENT future tragedies?

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Why is this so hard for the media and others to admit or explore this and help PREVENT future tragedies?

Why do you think their agenda is or would be to prevent them rather than encourage them?

It gives me pause is when they mention that whether any of the girls have been sexually abused is under investigation. I must say this bothers me because it's like they're assuming it must be so, and it seems so out of place and context to bring it up without any reasoning to support it; why would anyone trying to control a hostage situation stop to become absorbed in their own sexual gratification, leaving themselves open to many mishaps in what is, for them, a life or death situation? It would be a truly strange crime if he had sexually abused any of those girls, I believe.

In addition, why would it be under investigation? Had he abused any of them you would assume they would have told the police, or one of the others would have spoken on their behalf. The police would, surely, know whether or not any of the girls had been abused; it wouldn't be under investigation, particularly as there is nobody to prosecute regarding the matter.

I can't help but feel the only reason for that claim is to titilate readers. Sex sells, even as a form of abuse, after all and news stories are a product. This little nothing comment is probably made without support, the writers knowing that many people would believe that in a situation where a man wields some indisputable control over women, he - being a man - must abuse them sexually.

Yup, just wait 'till they start talking about 'violence against women' and stuff. Wanna bet?

...And LG use it for even more anti male laws....as ever dealing with the symptoms not the cause....The way they knee jerk about sex abuse shows how engrained feminist ideology is in the state.They have absorbed so much they lack objectivity.Just as feminism cripples the police from doing their job with affirmative action.
It makes the police less effective and actually encourages more incidents like this.

And our next victim of an unrelated gun wound story...
is here

Why do you think their agenda is or would be to prevent them rather than encourage them?

Zen priest

To clarify Zen priest -The point I was making themedia SHOULD be objective and truthseeking,they are not of course - the mainstream media is currently usless.
Is it worth salvaging .I don tknow.

Quote from The Sherriff

"My small county's gone!"

Calm down, sherriff, it could have been ANYBODY's small county!
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Anyway....a crime was committed. Murder. And a few other charges too.

The man who did these things was a CRIMINAL. Full stop. That is one
thing that we can say with confidence, independently of anything else.

He is dead now, so there are many things we'll never know, but regardless
of what kind of 'back story' gets revealed later, we know (or will know)
that he did X,Y and Z, and there is no reason for any MRA to "interpret"
his actions as anything other than those of a violent criminal. It is not up
to us to play 'spin doctor' with this case. We may condemn his actions,
calmly and rationally (not emotionally!), and leave matters there.

Other people will play spin doctor, and play to the galleries.And yes, we
know who some of those people will be!

Well OK, let's not be cute about it: FEMINISTS will spin doctor the case
clear to hell and back!!!! Maybe they have already -- I haven't looked yet.

They will follow their usual modus operandi: They will say that a "MAN" did
this! They won't just say that a terrible crime occured and a certain criminal
did it, oh no, they will be all over the fact that he is MALE. And when you
add the fact that sexual things happened ALSO, it will damn near make
them orgasmic with anti-male blood lust!!!!!

To them this is POLITICAL, which means very precisely it is a golden
*opportunity* to stir up trouble against MEN! To muddy the waters
against MEN! To poison the world against MEN! Yes, most of us here now!

Yes, the feminists (if they are true to form) will spin this into another
one of those rancid political morality tales, instead of just letting the
case be what it is, finding closure, and moving on -- as decency would
dictate.

And that is where MRAs will need to step up and call the feminists to
account for their shit. That is where we need jump in and kick them in
their political nuts and, in carefully chosen language, ACCUSE them of
doing EXACTLY what they are doing, which is: PLAYING POLITICS!!!!

It is all a question of hitting them with the rights WORDS at the right
TIME!!

I haven't said this one tenth as well as I wanted to say it, but being in a
time bind I will cut this short now, and hope that I have added something of
value to the discussion.

More later, perhaps...

Well said, Fidelbogen. You certainly have a grasp of their tactics.