Victimology and MRA emotional blackmail

**Percy** · 15th-February-2008

An interesting and common protest was made by Bob at

http://antimisandry.com/bush_cuts_vawa_budget-t9474.html?p=59438

You're right Percy. RADAR is very effective. They are the best "me too" victimology advocates out there today.

I just think that MEN ought to be kicking ass, not playing "me too" victimology.

Blessings

Bob

We all know how feminists use the victim card interminably, and what it has done. As 'victims' they claim special privilege including the distortion of law and academic studies. By claiming victimhood they blackmail emotions. All men are villified and calumnised.

All men have experienced emotional blackmail. "If you love me, you would...." (insert take out the garbage, give me this, do that). These are the small, everyday examples that we put up with. (stop it right when it starts!)

Of course most everything that the Feminazis claim is false, their 'victimhood' particularly.

But there are real victims.

Men.

Society as a whole.

Few men like to 'play' the victim card, and few men are comfortable with admitting to being a victim of feminism. I agree that 'playing' a card such as this is immoral. But ignoring real victims is just as immoral.

It is also stupid.

The evidence of men as victims is seen daily. Men are dispossessed of their livlihoods, their homes, their children and their honour in every court in the land. Men are victimised, beaten, maced, jailed.

For MRAs to refuse to acknowlege that they are victims is to give in to the emotional blackmail all over again. This time our own.

Men don't like to think of ourselves as victims because it goes against our self-image. Our Ego. We feel weakened. We do not have to feel weakened. That is 'just' a feeling. The knowledge and acknowledgement can be a source of positive motivation.

While we do not like to be labeled 'victims' we must distinguish between the real and the not real. Otherwise we join the feminazis in distorting reality. By refusing to consider real victims we throw away any chance of genuine compassion (as opposed to faux compassion immorally gained) and with it any lever to restore justice and reasonableness.

The feminazis gloat at MRAs tying our own hands by succumbing to emotions blackmail, self-imposed.

In the thread above, the avoidance of acknowledging the victim nature of the fight transfers into denigration of a fine and effective MRO, RADAR.

This is damaging. It is stupid.

"Me-too" ism, indeed! The sight of MRAs damaging one of the most effective organisations we have - doing the feminazis work for them - is the outcome of refusing to see properly.

We become double victims if we shoot ourselves in the foot by avoiding reality.

**bobx23456** · 15th-February-2008

Quote from Percy

An interesting and common protest was made by Bob at http://antimisandry.com/bush_cuts_vawa_budget-t9474.html?p=59438

Of course most everything that the Feminazis claim is false, their 'victimhood' particularly.

But there are real victims.

Men.

Society as a whole.

Few men like to 'play' the victim card, and few men are comfortable with admitting to being a victim of feminism. I agree that 'playing' a card such as this is immoral. But ignoring real victims is just as immoral.

It is also stupid.

The evidence of men as victims is seen daily. Men are dispossessed of their livlihoods, their homes, their children and their honour in every court in the land. Men are victimised, beaten, maced, jailed.

For MRAs to refuse to acknowlege that they are victims is to give in to the emotional blackmail all over again. This time our own.

You are right that men are victims today, Percy, but that's because so many men are pussy whipped manginas. Instead of whining and playing "Me too" feminist victimology, real men need to grow some balls and start kicking ass. I have no sympathy for men who choose to be victims instead of men. I have great sympathy for men who act manly and won't be a victim.

The Men's Movement needs leaders who will lead MEN, not pussies who will drag men down to "me too" feminized victims.

Blessings

Bob

**Percy** · 15th-February-2008

You are right that men are victims today, Percy, but that's because so many men are pussy whipped manginas. Instead of whining and playing "Me too" feminist victimology, real men need to grow some balls and start kicking ass.

Bob, you mix up two quite distinct things. I agree that men (please don't follow the feminazis by talking of 'real' men) need to have the balls and kick arse.

But not all men who are dragged through the courts or dispossessed or falsely accused are 'pussy whipped manginas'. That is just friggin' insulting.

If a man is bushwhacked and left injured in the gutter, it helps none of us for you to come along and put another boot in his face. There are enough feminazis doing that - no need for you to join them. It is no use telling him to grow some balls. He can do without 'blaming and shaming'. There are enough feminazis doing that too.

Help the bugger up for God's sake.

Give him recognition and encouragement.

You are eager to put 'blessings' at the end of your posts, Bob, but I don't see much compassion for men in what you say. I am sure nonetheless that you do have compassion. But then one has to ask why? One doesn't usually have compassion for winners. One has it for those treated badly - victims.

And victims many men are. Victims of unlaw enforcement, corrupt courts, vicious women. One does not need to 'play' a card. That's what false victims do. Real victims need our recognition and help. Men helping men.

**Kim** · 15th-February-2008

A person is only a victim if one allows oneself to be so. People have survived environments that most of us can hardly begin to imagine....and still never considered themselves a victim.

However, recognizing wrongs and striving to bring those wrongs to light is not encouraging a victim mentality. If we recognize a wrong, I think it's our responsibility to speak out and stand up against that wrong. Not to make victims out of those affected by the wrong, but because we're morally obligated to do our best to eradicate it.

**MikeT** · 15th-February-2008

Quote from Percy

If a man is bushwhacked and left injured in the gutter, it helps none of us for you to come along and put another boot in his face. There are enough feminazis doing that - no need for you to join them. It is no use telling him to grow some balls. He can do without 'blaming and shaming'. There are enough feminazis doing that too.

Help the bugger up for God's sake.

Give him recognition and encouragement.

You are eager to put 'blessings' at the end of your posts, Bob, but I don't see much compassion for men in what you say. I am sure nonetheless that you do have compassion. But then one has to ask why? One doesn't usually have compassion for winners. One has it for those treated badly - victims.

And victims many men are. Victims of unlaw enforcement, corrupt courts, vicious women. One does not need to 'play' a card. That's what false victims do. Real victims need our recognition and help. Men helping men.

Good on ya Percy,
For some years I've worked with "broken men", none of them have ever called themselves "victims", although some of them might have been.
I've worked with men that have been taken out of the gutter (I mean the real gutter, drunk and without hope).
I've noticed a pattern in all of the chat's I've had with these guys, all they wanted was a person that they could talk to that wouldn't label them as a worthless loser.
And all they have wanted is a job, where they could earn some money and a bit of respect.
Community Services here won't even have Street people in their building, funny how 100% of these people are MEN!
I've taken some of these guys home to my own place to have a shower and a shave and help to get to a job interview through contacts I have.
One of my best Electricians is a guy I picked up off the street in 2000, he is a clued up guy that lost everything in a bitter divorce, he had been on the street for 3 years, he was a Bank Teller before hand.
Women play the Victim Card, Men have to move on and up or die.

**bachelor tom** · 15th-February-2008

Quote from MikeT

Good on ya Percy,
For some years I've worked with "broken men", none of them have ever called themselves "victims", although some of them might have been.
I've worked with men that have been taken out of the gutter (I mean the real gutter, drunk and without hope).
I've noticed a pattern in all of the chat's I've had with these guys, all they wanted was a person that they could talk to that wouldn't label them as a worthless loser.
And all they have wanted is a job, where they could earn some money and a bit of respect.
Community Services here won't even have Street people in their building, funny how 100% of these people are MEN!
I've taken some of these guys home to my own place to have a shower and a shave and help to get to a job interview through contacts I have.
One of my best Electricians is a guy I picked up off the street in 2000, he is a clued up guy that lost everything in a bitter divorce, he had been on the street for 3 years, he was a Bank Teller before hand.
Women play the Victim Card, Men have to move on and up or die.

Good for you Mike, you're doing something really worthwhile in helping these men. As you say, "there but for the grace of God go I"

My neighbourhood is full of hostels, halfway-houses, subsidized housing, street outreach...it's easy to see the 'glass cellar' here, the over-representation of men at the bottom of society.

You remind me of an incident with my now deceased grandfather. He was failing in health, and under the care of his second wife. The day in question he was furtive and quiet, not his old jocular self. We started chatting, and it became apparent to me that all he wanted was someone to talk to, another man who understood what he was saying. By the end he was laughing and cracking jokes like he used to. I felt good that day.