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    Re: The Truth about Women getting the Vote

    An excellent post Paul, which gives lucid context to the history of the vote.

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    So when you hear claims that suffragettes won the vote for women, remember they just did the easy bit at the end, after men had done the real work.
    Indeed.

    As with the workplace, feminists didn't decisively press for voting inclusion until all the hard work and sacrifice had been borne by men, and the conditions were the most favourable. They were the Johnny-come-latelies who ignored the costly groundwork for universal franchise pioneered by movements like chartism which preceded suffragettism. They are the political cuckoos who build their ambitions on the toil and sacrifice of men.
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    Re: The Truth about Women getting the Vote

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    I don't think anyone was using the white feather campaign to bash today's women, its more a case of using it to point out that the suffragettes were not the saintly heroines that women often hold them up to be.


    Great post though I'll copy and save it, if you don't mind.
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    Re: The Truth about Women getting the Vote

    Universal suffrage is the problem, not the solution. I don't see why anyone besides 25-65 years old married citizen men that have children and did national service, with no record, that are net tax payers and own a house or business should vote. And citizenship shouldn't be given so easily either.

    Also, I'm fed up with feminists saying that they won the right to vote for women. How exactly did they do that? They fought and won a war to get that right? lol

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    Re: The Truth about Women getting the Vote

    Do you vote, RV? Why or why not?

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    Re: The Truth about Women getting the Vote

    They committed 'mass nagging' to 'win' their campaign for women-only to vote.
    The most offensive thing you can do to a feminist is treat her with FULL equality.
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    Re: The Vote

    I was surprised to see the same gender arguments we have today were flying around back when women were getting the vote.

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    Re: The Truth about Women getting the Vote

    I am a chap.

    I do not vote.

    I refuse to particpate in the charade we call 'Representative Democracy' where the Representatives don't.

    Like RV - whether she votes or not - I find the Universal Franchise to be a rort that makes my voice equal to that of any half-witted farm boy or serving wench.
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    I am a chap.

    I do not vote.

    I refuse to particpate in the charade we call 'Representative Democracy' where the Representatives don't.

    Like RV - whether she votes or not - I find the Universal Franchise to be a rort that makes my voice equal to that of any half-witted farm boy or serving wench.
    Yes, if one votes or not is completely irrelevant. If we'd be debating idiocy in people, TERA would ask me if I'm an idiot. lol.

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    I've actually read about voting history and there were some instances where certain women could vote before certain men (such as in New Jersey) without making the same sacrifices that men were forced to make for men and women to have the right to vote eventually without the same previous requirements. Of course, since this is one of the many instances that women benefitted it wasn't seen as discrimination against men.

    When women benefit instead of men it's "just the way it is".

    When men benefit instead of women it "needs to change".

    When neither men nor women benefit the focus is on women getting benefits.

    When both men and women benefit the focus is on women getting more benefits.

    I think that sometimes men need to just say "I'm not thinking about women, I'm not thinking about what they've been thru, I'm thinking about me". As long as the focus is on women we never learn the entire story and therefore we never know the truth. A few men and women can look at unbiased information and data objectively to arrive to a conclusion but with many men and especially women they've already arrived to a conclusion and seek information and data to support what they've already believed.

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    Re: The Truth about Women getting the Vote

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    I've actually read about voting history and there were some instances where certain women could vote before certain men (such as in New Jersey) without making the same sacrifices that men were forced to make for men and women to have the right to vote eventually without the same previous requirements. Of course, since this is one of the many instances that women benefitted it wasn't seen as discrimination against men.

    When women benefit instead of men it's "just the way it is".

    When men benefit instead of women it "needs to change".

    When neither men nor women benefit the focus is on women getting benefits.

    When both men and women benefit the focus is on women getting more benefits.

    I think that sometimes men need to just say "I'm not thinking about women, I'm not thinking about what they've been thru, I'm thinking about me". As long as the focus is on women we never learn the entire story and therefore we never know the truth. A few men and women can look at unbiased information and data objectively to arrive to a conclusion but with many men and especially women they've already arrived to a conclusion and seek information and data to support what they've already believed.
    Well said....

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    Hooo boy there's some strange shit going on in this thread and original post. I think that, just to clarify, that the use of the white lily campaign of the early suffragettes is hardly fair play given that there was an enormous amount of propaganda and jingoism floating about in the run up and during the early years of the war. Rupert Brooke's early poetry was amazingly pro-war that the later years of cynicism and the horrors of war that we, now, with hindsight and thought suddenly realise how awful it all was. So to say that the suffragettes were genocidal maniacs is a bit stupid considering that everyone was carried away with the jingoism.

    Secondly with a term like anti-misandry I'd have thought that instead of whining like little kids you'd be a bit more constructive and address the problems at hand. You know securing equal paternity leave, promoting fatherhood, breaking down male stereotypes. But instead it just seems that you lot are left emasculated by the world around you and all you want to do is whine about it.

    Finally, as a departing note, has it at all occurred to you, oh few faithful to the cause, that there is a difference between being misogynistic and anti-misandristic? Just thought I'd throw that one in there.

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    Hooo boy there's some strange shit going on in this thread and original post. I think that, just to clarify, that the use of the white lily campaign of the early suffragettes is hardly fair play
    Why, because it doesn't paint them as superior and equalitists which is what we're supposed to believe? Ahuh...

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    Secondly with a term like anti-misandry I'd have thought that instead of whining like little kids...
    Aww, now I feel ashamed and guilt-ridden, let me just wipe the site clean for your benefit and silence men from having a voice, just like most other sites out there, mmk.

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    ...you'd be a bit more constructive and address the problems at hand.
    We are - the biggest problem to contend with is feminist lies and hate-propaganda that you seem quite desperate to maintain.

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    You know securing equal paternity leave, promoting fatherhood, breaking down male stereotypes. But instead it just seems that you lot are left emasculated by the world around you and all you want to do is whine about it.
    Perhaps you're not aware - or ignorant to it - but sites like this and other male-friendly organisations have been working towards the positions you've addressed, but instead of acknowledging this you want to pretend that raising awareness is somehow 'whining'.

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    Finally, as a departing note, has it at all occurred to you, oh few faithful to the cause, that there is a difference between being misogynistic and anti-misandristic? Just thought I'd throw that one in there.
    Yes, we're well aware of this. Why not pop along to any feminist site and remind them that pro-women isn't the same as spreading hateful lies about men day after day and calling for preferential treatment of women at the cost to men & children.
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    @Paul

    Great post Bro and it is a real eye opener to say the least.
    I agree if I was in Britain at the outset of WWI and some chicked pinted a feather on me I'd rip it off and use it as the first of many feathers that I would tar and fether with

    All in all this post has porven that not only did women get the vote after WWI after the men bled and died for that right but that women are scum sucking opertunets who have never once faced a bullet for their nation because they are damn cowards.
    Could you imagen the outcry back at the start of WWI if a man said to a women " Why don't you join the army if you want the vote so badly " you can bet that there would be a massive outcry over it not only by women but by men as well.
    When the femanazis tell me it's their way or the highway I tell them to fuck off and die, because at lest the highway leads to new and intresting places, their ways is a dead end.

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    Re: The Truth about Women getting the Vote

    Could you explain what was wrong with the opening post? Is it factually wrong, or missing some relevant information?

    Maybe you're right, we should just suck it up and "take it like a man", is that what you meant? No-one wants to hear a "real man" complain, it's just wrong....isn't it? Wait, I hear gay guys complain about things, I guess they have different rules (?)

    btw there is a difference between criticizing women and hating them, just thought I'd throw that one in there

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    Hooo boy there's some strange shit going on in this thread and original post. I think that, just to clarify, that the use of the white lily campaign of the early suffragettes is hardly fair play given that there was an enormous amount of propaganda and jingoism floating about in the run up and during the early years of the war. Rupert Brooke's early poetry was amazingly pro-war that the later years of cynicism and the horrors of war that we, now, with hindsight and thought suddenly realise how awful it all was. So to say that the suffragettes were genocidal maniacs is a bit stupid considering that everyone was carried away with the jingoism.

    Secondly with a term like anti-misandry I'd have thought that instead of whining like little kids you'd be a bit more constructive and address the problems at hand. You know securing equal paternity leave, promoting fatherhood, breaking down male stereotypes. But instead it just seems that you lot are left emasculated by the world around you and all you want to do is whine about it.

    Finally, as a departing note, has it at all occurred to you, oh few faithful to the cause, that there is a difference between being misogynistic and anti-misandristic? Just thought I'd throw that one in there.
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    Re: The Truth about Women getting the Vote

    I really don't care how long it took women to get the vote. Well I know about the Sufferage Movement and all but.

    I still don't care

    The problem is, how do we take away their right to vote? And how the hell do we get them back into the home raising their kids. Women need to go back to jobs they are suited for. Like Nurses, Secretaries, and School Teachers. And only stay in the workforce if it doesn't interfere with their real purpose.

    BTW, that purpose is to be wives and mommies


 

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