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Well your point is a good one, but I'm not sure what you're driving at here if you think I disagree with you

I was not trying to convince you, I was just making a point. Why do you write Fek all the time?

Holy crap! I can't believe what I am reading!

I am not going to jump into the discussion on this at all (which is very uncharacteristic of me, I know). And, I am not at all joking about this. I'm not being sarcastic or trying to make a point. I'm just saying, RV, since it really isn't much of a sexual thing, I would love to see your breasts. I'm just curious! You've posted a picture of yourself, and I bet your breasts are really nice looking. I would post a picture of my pecs if they were really that good to look at (not that I think they are that bad). In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing what Zuberi's got there under the hood. But, I think we would all get a kick out of it if you posted a nice non-sexual pic of yourself topless. I certainly would!

(This is not some sarcastic attempt to make a point. I'm just saying that if you are comfortable with it not being really a sexual thing to do, I would like to see. That is all.)

Edit: Oh, I now see you aren't into the topless thing, yourself. (I wonder if TERA would like to show us some of her non-sexual topless pics....)

Quote: "Edit: Oh, I now see you aren't into the topless thing, yourself. (I wonder if TERA would like to show us some of her non-sexual topless pics....)" AdrianI used to have pics in the member's pics forum and a pic on my profile page and even at one time I had a pic that was my avatar. Nothing kinky or revealing. I have long since deleted them all.

I have my reasons.

TOO, the thing is, why stop there? It is socially unacceptable and offensive to not wash, so why not fine or make people who stink do public service? I mean, why stop at making a dress code for women? And why do you think it is socially acceptable for men to walk around topless? Try walking into a club or a bar without a shirt. And there is a difference in between having sexual intercourse in public(even though, I guess it might be fun for some :P) and dressing in a certain way. This has nothing to do with social perception though. And if we ban things based on their corrosive aspects on society, then why legalize prostitution or drugs?

There's a difference in between dressing in a certain way and littering. I didn't know we can't litter in public because it is offensive to people.

And by the way, obviously I don't know as much as you about classics, so I wouldn't mind you being right. I mean, I'm wrong once in a while and I guess now is one of those times. Still, fertility in this case might not have anything to do with sexuality because fertility in a woman means also breastfeeding the children, besides giving birth to them, which would make bigger breasts logical. Aren't a lot of the ancient deities that represent fertility associated with breast milk too, not breasts alone? Because this would highlight what I wrote. And from what I recall, Aphrodite didn't have humongous breasts. Again, I might be wrong, so you can correct me since you know more about it. And what I meant by the symbol of femininity and masculinity wasn't related to the sexual thing, it is related to highlighting differences. Breasts are feminine, pectorals and abs like the Greek statues are masculine.

Also, another thing. A sexual object is a sexual object all the time - regardless of sun bathing, breastfeeding or whatever.

I have a question though. If breasts being sexual objects is something innate, why don't we find this attitude in all cultures? I mean, there are societies in which, not only women can go bare breasted, but the traditional garments of women don't cover their breasts(some African tribes, Native Americans). So I don't know how hardwired we are about them being sexual, since that would mean every culture would view them as such.

housewife_superstar, anthropologists found societies in which breasts are non-sexual objects. A study of Ford and Beach found no correlation in between breasts being stimulated during sexual acts and them being covered in every day life - Apache, Dunsun and other societies are proof of this and what I wrote earlier. Even more, according to a study of Kinsey, people from before 1900 were less likely to indulge in oral stimulation of the breasts than people after 1900.

Adrian, nice try. :P That is like saying I shouldn't wash since it is accepted as ok because there are no fines for it. As I said before on this thread, I wouldn't support or respect a woman(or a man for that matter) who walks around in public topless. That doesn't mean I support legislating bans on it. And I don't respect people who don't wash, that doesn't mean I think they should do public service. Opinions and perceptions shouldn't be legislated, but they should be a matter of choice and I choose not to post pictures of my breasts around the web. I can go on since I know this won't be clear, but I already wrote too much for a single post. But again, considering every part of a human's body is non-sexual except breasts and genitalia, how about everyone posting pictures of themselves except those parts? lol

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TOO, the thing is, why stop there? It is socially unacceptable and offensive to not wash, so why not fine or make people who stink do public service? I mean, why stop at making a dress code for women? And why do you think it is socially acceptable for men to walk around topless? Try walking into a club or a bar without a shirt. And there is a difference in between having sexual intercourse in public(even though, I guess it might be fun for some :P) and dressing in a certain way. This has nothing to do with social perception though. And if we ban things based on their corrosive aspects on society, then why legalize prostitution or drugs?

There's a difference in between dressing in a certain way and littering. I didn't know we can't litter in public because it is offensive to people.

And by the way, obviously I don't know as much as you about classics, so I wouldn't mind you being right. I mean, I'm wrong once in a while and I guess now is one of those times. Still, fertility in this case might not have anything to do with sexuality because fertility in a woman means also breastfeeding the children, besides giving birth to them, which would make bigger breasts logical. Aren't a lot of the ancient deities that represent fertility associated with breast milk too, not breasts alone? Because this would highlight what I wrote. And from what I recall, Aphrodite didn't have humongous breasts. Again, I might be wrong, so you can correct me since you know more about it. And what I meant by the symbol of femininity and masculinity wasn't related to the sexual thing, it is related to highlighting differences. Breasts are feminine, pectorals and abs like the Greek statues are masculine.

Also, another thing. A sexual object is a sexual object all the time - regardless of sun bathing, breastfeeding or whatever.

I have a question though. If breasts being sexual objects is something innate, why don't we find this attitude in all cultures? I mean, there are societies in which, not only women can go bare breasted, but the traditional garments of women don't cover their breasts(some African tribes, Native Americans). So I don't know how hardwired we are about them being sexual, since that would mean every culture would view them as such.

housewife_superstar, anthropologists found societies in which breasts are non-sexual objects. A study of Ford and Beach found no correlation in between breasts being stimulated during sexual acts and them being covered in every day life - Apache, Dunsun and other societies are proof of this and what I wrote earlier. Even more, according to a study of Kinsey, people from before 1900 were less likely to indulge in oral stimulation of the breasts than people after 1900.

Adrian, nice try. :P That is like saying I shouldn't wash since it is accepted as ok because there are no fines for it. As I said before on this thread, I wouldn't support or respect a woman(or a man for that matter) who walks around in public topless. That doesn't mean I support legislating bans on it. And I don't respect people who don't wash, that doesn't mean I think they should do public service. Opinions and perceptions shouldn't be legislated, but they should be a matter of choice and I choose not to post pictures of my breasts around the web. I can go on since I know this won't be clear, but I already wrote too much for a single post. But again, considering every part of a human's body is non-sexual except breasts and genitalia, how about everyone posting pictures of themselves except those parts? lol

Mon dieu! All of this BS - rather than give a simple apology for comparing AKUUS to the chimpanzee, accusing shazaam of lacking moral integrity and making fun of my english. I apologize. You are not a silly little mixed-up girl. You are autistic.

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Mon dieu! All of this BS - rather than give a simple apology for comparing AKUUS to the chimpanzee, accusing shazaam of lacking moral integrity and making fun of my english. I apologize. You are not a silly little mixed-up girl. You are autistic.

Wouldn't ya love to see RV in a "customer care" role? Thread here: http://antimisandry.com/discriminati...are-24249.html

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Wouldn't ya love to see RV in a "customer care" role? Thread here: http://antimisandry.com/discriminati...are-24249.html

Yes.Yes. She tells the customer "Nice try!", but let me give you an analogy of what you are trying to do, so that you will ultimately see
how pathetically wrong you are.

I seriously was not trying to make a point in all that. I just wanted to see yall's breasts. (I knew that was a bad idea!)

At any rate, so, TERA, is this what your namesake represents? The Topfree Equal Rights Association? (Again, just curious.)

• Should she be allowed to go topless in public?

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• Should she be allowed to go topless in public?

Her back is probably useless!

hey RV,

Good post. Yes, there a few examples where they aren't sexualized. With most tribal societies this has everything to do with the belief that breasts are for children only and for men to desire them is for a man to be child-like.

As for Kinsey, my personal opinions of his work aside, the people whom he polled were of a different generation, one that was under the heavy influence of left over victorian-era values and religous influence. (the parents who raised them.....)

Either way, you caould make the argument that both societies were "indoctrinated" to stay away from breasts due to social, not biological, constraints.

I think I have said all have to say on this one! Have fun.

Blessings,
~Megan

That post was also an attempt to dodge the responsibility for committing a faux pas - going after other members simply because the content of the thread annoyed her. Apologies are still owed. Scholarship does not free you from the need to show courtesy.

[QUOTE=RebelliousVanilla;179581]Actually, I'm against the following:
1)Skewed divorce laws - each should keep what they earned, joint custody unless one of the parents is misfit or if he/she tries to do things just to piss off the other parent.
2)Skewed rape laws - no means no, but yes means yes. Do away with rape shield laws that protect false accusers, have the burden of proof moved on the accuser and either have both the victim and the accuser names released or neither of them.
3)Do away with affirmative action altogether, both for ethnic people and women and all the things that it entails.
I can really go on... I wasn't angry, but you do exactly what feminists do: ignore all the things someone wrote and spew some things about the person who wrote the thing.[/QUOTE]

I am not asking you for your resume on men's rights. You may deny your angry post, but you cannot accuse me of ignoring what you wrote ...
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"... for how long you will be treated as a chimp who just climbed down of a tree and that won't control himself at the sight of two lumps of fat? lol (...)
Ok, men should wear shirts on the beach then because pectorals and abdomen are sexual images to me and they violate my virginal eyes with their nakedness(they're just as sexual as boobs and we need to cover them up, especially since women are worse than men about it, right? but again, your lack of moral integrity probably allows you to be a hypocrite). And unlike you, I'm not a hypocrite. If a guy wants to be nude, it is his business. Obviously, this doesn't apply for private pools and beaches where the owners can make their own dress code."

Comparing someone to a chimp; asserting they lack moral integrity; and calling them hypocrite are insults, in this case, with no justification or basis in fact.

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TOO, the thing is, why stop there? It is socially unacceptable and offensive to not wash, so why not fine or make people who stink do public service? I mean, why stop at making a dress code for women? And why do you think it is socially acceptable for men to walk around topless? Try walking into a club or a bar without a shirt. And there is a difference in between having sexual intercourse in public(even though, I guess it might be fun for some :P) and dressing in a certain way. This has nothing to do with social perception though. And if we ban things based on their corrosive aspects on society, then why legalize prostitution or drugs?

There's a difference in between dressing in a certain way and littering. I didn't know we can't litter in public because it is offensive to people.

And by the way, obviously I don't know as much as you about classics, so I wouldn't mind you being right. I mean, I'm wrong once in a while and I guess now is one of those times. Still, fertility in this case might not have anything to do with sexuality because fertility in a woman means also breastfeeding the children, besides giving birth to them, which would make bigger breasts logical. Aren't a lot of the ancient deities that represent fertility associated with breast milk too, not breasts alone? Because this would highlight what I wrote. And from what I recall, Aphrodite didn't have humongous breasts. Again, I might be wrong, so you can correct me since you know more about it. And what I meant by the symbol of femininity and masculinity wasn't related to the sexual thing, it is related to highlighting differences. Breasts are feminine, pectorals and abs like the Greek statues are masculine.

Also, another thing. A sexual object is a sexual object all the time - regardless of sun bathing, breastfeeding or whatever.

I have a question though. If breasts being sexual objects is something innate, why don't we find this attitude in all cultures? I mean, there are societies in which, not only women can go bare breasted, but the traditional garments of women don't cover their breasts(some African tribes, Native Americans). So I don't know how hardwired we are about them being sexual, since that would mean every culture would view them as such.

There is no difference between going nude and having sex in public. What difference is there? You can't just say there is and leave it at that. For what reason do we ban people having sex in public? I guarantee you won't be able to come up with a reason that doesnt have something to do with the perceptions of others. And I didn't mean littering as in dropping trash I meant littering the place up with their presence. If we follow your logic, I should be able to get wasted, pass out on the pavement or in a nearby gutter and then sleep there, and any police that happen by should just leave me to it. Similarly, if we follow your logic we have to allow everything, we have to allow people to go about completely naked and to have sex in public, because as you say; where do you stop? The only logical conclusion if you believe that is to not start anywhere.

Drugs and prostitution should be legal because keeping them illegal does more harm than good as it places these activities outside the remit of the law. All business requires enforceable contracts to function and if you are operating outside the remit of the law the only way to enforce contracts is with violence. None of this applies to public indecency.

As for the form of aphrodite you are correct that she is rarely depicted with huge breasts. There is actually a fair amount of variation, mostly because she is sometimes depicted as a fully matured woman and sometimes as a girl just on the cusp of womanhood. Generally though I would class her rack size as ''above average'', the modern obsession with massive breasts is almost certainly exaggerated by cultural forces, the core of it is innate though. Also, if you want to talk about aphrodite, consider this; one of the most common poses she is depicted in is this:http://www.greek-thesaurus.gr/images...e%20statue.JPG

This is known as the ''modesty'' pose, though I can't remember the actual Greek word for it right now. Notice how she covers her vagina and her breasts. Why do you suppose she does that?