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    today at the nursery..

    i know im not supposed to post in here anymore, or am i banned or what i dont know,

    but i would like to mention that today in my kids nursery, they were handing out little nicky-nacky things that kids like, they gave me a questionaire and it turned out they were asking me if i had been, or i knew someone who was suffering from domestic violence..

    now, my partner, along with many other men drop of their kids just as often as i do in this nursery, and they all know them, so i think effectively they are pointing the finger at them, They are acusing men of domestic violence. Men who they know.

    all around are posters saying 'does he make you feel small'.. i can't help but think if it said blacks instead of he, it wouldn't be acceptable. Im not a sheep and i get bloody angry when people tell me what to think and try and stick their nose in my relationships.

    isnt domestic violence unisex? aparently not.

    im starting to worry about what propaganda these people are telling my kids while they are there?

    i honestly think, that these people rarely if ever catch anyone who is a genuine victim of domestic violence and instead, point the finger at genuine and caring family men, who appear awkward in social situations.

    what should i say in a situation like that?

    what is the correct thing to say.

    why don't these men stand up for themseves, are they scared? what do they feel when they are put into a situation like that?

    there was a guy there, he cowered in the corner, nobody paid him any attention, as if he wasn't there.

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    Re: today at the nursery..

    i know im not supposed to post in here anymore, or am i banned or what i dont know,
    You WERE banned for a certain amount of time - that time has passed, so you were un-banned, and are again able to post, if you choose to do so.
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    Re: today at the nursery..

    First off, welcome back, FC. No one really wanted you banned, and just hoped you'd cut some of the shit out.

    Anyways, yes, the entire DV industry is biased against men. The original DV movement in the UK was started by Erin Pizzey, and was great, but then radical femcunts took over, and ever since it has been 1 lie after another. I've suffered DV by the hands of women, so I know what it's like.

    Good post, anyway.


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    If you want to do something about it FC, talk to those in charge. Tell them what messages this is giving to the children. Talk about the fathers. Ask things like, "how do you think it affects them?" Remind them how much we need fathers participating in their children's lives.

    Ask other teachers what they think of it.

    Speak up. It is wrong and you have to DO something.

    Or you can always take them down your self.
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    Re: today at the nursery..

    I think you should go to whomever is in charge at the nursery and tell them you don't appreciate them exposing your children to gender stereotypes, that domestic violence is committed by people of both genders and stereotyping men is such a way around children is irresponsible.

    I ran into a situation a while back, I had seen a DV poster in the courthouse I was interested in. While it was by no means completely gender neutral, it was an enormous improvement over the usual 'wife cowering in a corner with enraged husband, hand raised, towering over her' you usually see. The poster included individual clips of a woman, a man, an old man, a disabled girl, children...all looking sad with the heading, "The Is No One Face Of Domestic Violence". Anyhow, I was quite intriqued by it and contacted our local domestic violence group to ask about it. The told me it had been put out by the state and I was welcome to come in and get one. I went down to their office and even though I know they had many of these posters (they told me I could have as many as I liked) not one of them was hung in the office. Every wall had your traditional bruised and battered wife poster adorning it. I asked the lady at the front desk why, when they had posters that presented a much more accurate picture of DV, did they not put them up but continued to use the same gender-biased posters. Her response was that the only people they ever see in there are women so they felt those posters would be more appropriate. I chatted a bit with her about DV statistics and the unfair stigma placed on men and she did agree with me. I haven't been back so I don't know if they put up one of the posters but at least I got the point out there and perhaps it'll make her think in the future.
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    I think you should go to whomever is in charge at the nursery and tell them you don't appreciate them exposing your children to gender stereotypes, that domestic violence is committed by people of both genders and stereotyping men is such a way around children is irresponsible.

    I ran into a situation a while back, I had seen a DV poster in the courthouse I was interested in. While it was by no means completely gender neutral, it was an enormous improvement over the usual 'wife cowering in a corner with enraged husband, hand raised, towering over her' you usually see. The poster included individual clips of a woman, a man, an old man, a disabled girl, children...all looking sad with the heading, "The Is No One Face Of Domestic Violence". Anyhow, I was quite intriqued by it and contacted our local domestic violence group to ask about it. The told me it had been put out by the state and I was welcome to come in and get one. I went down to their office and even though I know they had many of these posters (they told me I could have as many as I liked) not one of them was hung in the office. Every wall had your traditional bruised and battered wife poster adorning it. I asked the lady at the front desk why, when they had posters that presented a much more accurate picture of DV, did they not put them up but continued to use the same gender-biased posters. Her response was that the only people they ever see in there are women so they felt those posters would be more appropriate. I chatted a bit with her about DV statistics and the unfair stigma placed on men and she did agree with me. I haven't been back so I don't know if they put up one of the posters but at least I got the point out there and perhaps it'll make her think in the future.
    Kim, this just shows how thick these people are. If you get a chance to do that again I wonder whether mentioning that the only reason they would be getting only women coming in is because they are not making a place friendly enough for others to come in. If there was only men on the walls, women wouldn't approach the place either.

    They get what they portray themselves as. Would they get children coming forward whose mothers assaulted them or would those children stay away from the counter because the walls show them they are not worthy in this place?
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    Kim, this just shows how thick these people are. If you get a chance to do that again I wonder whether mentioning that the only reason they would be getting only women coming in is because they are not making a place friendly enough for others to come in. If there was only men on the walls, women wouldn't approach the place either.
    I did mention to her that there was no way a man would feel comfortable seeking help in a place that had those kind of posters plastered on every wall. She agreed but said she didn't think men would come there regardless, though. Which I had to agree with. I imagine the stigma placed upon men concerning such things acts as a far greater deterrant than a few posters. Regardless, though, the message they're sending to anyone who should happen to enter their facility is wrong.
    "Every noble impulse, every unselfish expression of love; every brave suffering for the right; every surrender of self to something higher than self; every loyalty to an ideal; every unselfish devotion to principle; every helpfulness to humanity; every act of self-control; every fine courage of the soul, undefeated by pretense or policy, but by being, doing, and living of good for the very good’s sake—that is spirituality." -David O. McKay

    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12

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    Re: today at the nursery..

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    You WERE banned for a certain amount of time - that time has passed, so you were un-banned, and are again able to post, if you choose to do so.
    Spot on. The ban was listed specifically as a temporary one, it was never permanent.
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    yes, but we can forget the past because she still has sexy nipples and has noted a problem that concerns us!!
    I don't know about the nipples issue, but yep, it's gone and as others have said, she's had her calm down time.
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    I did mention to her that there was no way a man would feel comfortable seeking help in a place that had those kind of posters plastered on every wall. She agreed but said she didn't think men would come there regardless, though. Which I had to agree with. I imagine the stigma placed upon men concerning such things acts as a far greater deterrant than a few posters. Regardless, though, the message they're sending to anyone who should happen to enter their facility is wrong.
    Fantastic Kim. You are doing well.

    I asked my Pharmacist how the male pill was coming along last week. He said to me, "Your sons wouldn't take, Julie?"

    I said, "Oh, yes they would. 19 years of CS for a one night stand? Oh, they'll take it alright."

    His head was bowed but I could see the smirk on his face. He got it. But then he deals with males and suicide. He is a speaker and on boards for this. And also his wife had taken him through the FC a couple of years back.
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    I disagree that the course of action is to talk to those in charge... That places you into a needy position and may in fact jeopardize your right to drop your kids off there.

    Instead, seek out and talk to such men as the one who you described as cowering in the corner. It may be difficult to start a dialogue without communicating sexual interest, but if you can pull it off, that's what is needed. These guys need to be drawn out and engaged. No one wants to hear their story or listen to their perceptions of the misandry that you have already noticed. They need an outlet, and you can be that outlet at some level.

    Come to think of it, you might even engage some of the women if you think they might be receptive to your point of view.

    Once you've tripled (or more) the number of people besides yourself who oppose such bigotry, then you'll be in a much better position to use their collective economic power to send a message that such demonization of men is not welcome.
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    That shows your feminist credentials loud and clear julie!

    You will poison your own son rather than tell some whore to keep her legs shut and if she doesnt, fuck off and raise her bastard on her own with no gaurantee of anything from your son!!

    You should be telling your son to avoid skanky sluts in the first place, not give them the pleasure of a shafting they dont deserve..

    Recreational Sex is a game to the feminists that they know they can use against weak men..
    Give it a break Drex. I am sure you can find something better than this to prove your theory that I am a feminist.

    My sons are not like you. And I am not like you. Procreating for the sake of it is not how this family works.
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    Drex, correct me if I'm in the wrong here, but I get the impression you aren't in a position to mock someone's opinion on recreational sex..?
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    Well, I would not say you are any more of a feminist-appeaser than maybe 75% of the men who frequent this forum!!
    And where in this do you stand? I mean, who has repeatedly brought up the nipples of someone who has referred to a war vet as a murderer amongst many other misandric comments that have served no purpose other than create hostilities? Who is doing the appeasing to feminists?

    I actually try to avoid interacting with women who seem hellbent on being mean for the fun of it (my ex wife & her so-called mommy taught me the signs to look for), whereas you are practically in bed with one... If this place is all that bad, which contradicts the messenger conversations we've had, then I guess you know where the door is. I'm not gonna strap you down to a seat and force you to stay with so many feminist appeasers against your superior judgment.
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    I dont care if you wish to call yourself a feminist or not, it means little to me.

    Whatever your reasons for pro-creating. (Where they are mistake??). Or your reasons for being a single mother and seperated from the father.. (I presume this??)..

    These things are all irrelevant, but the concept of recreational sex is the key to the feminists power and if you would enslave your son to the recreational sex culture rather than fight against the cause of not just this but the antimale consequences of it..

    Well, I would not say you are any more of a feminist-appeaser than maybe 75% of the men who frequent this forum!!

    The abilty of the MRM to lie side by side with the radfems is staggering!!
    You see, it is like this Drex. My family being my children, myself and my husband (oops we are not living in the same house, so my ex) and my husband's children and his wife (oops I am the ex) and my children's mother and their father ARE none of you business. But if you are wanting to bring this up I will tell you that there isn't much we haven't done that is wrong. But somehow and someway we did it right.

    Do you realise that the sun shines on the bad in this world too. But then what is bad and what is good?

    The only thing we won't be doing that we planned is sitting on the porch in our old days together in our rocking chairs side by side watching the great grandchildren play in the yard. But that's OK. We can live with that.

    So you need to find something else to get at me.

    As far as recreational sex goes. I am pro it. There is nothing wrong with people having sex without having children. And I know for a fact my ex husband would agree with me on this and so would my children.

    I think the male pill is a positive move. It gives males choices as the pill gives females a choice. It also give husbands and wives a choice on how many children they will have. I thin it is a wonderful thing.
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    I don't always agree with Drex, but his hatred of the state is making more and more sense to me.



 

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