There is a now closed discussion, and Sweden was mentioned by SeeC as more or less to be the heaven for feminists.
This might be true if compared with Pakistan...but...

Is this really true? For example for an US-feminist like SeeC?
What will happen if you compare Sweden with USA/UK?

I made some search in their Swedish news, and it seems that feminists are getting more and more a hard time...equal rights, taken seriously...

It's not really, what feminists a la America expected...

To compare Sweden with Pakistan is ridiculous. For example Sweden has 9 million people, and Pakistan has 170 million people.

To call Sweden as 'peaceful' is questionable, as it is a major producer/exporter of warplanes and other military equipment.

To say Sweden has no serious social problems - well, there is no war, but Sweden is facing problems with immigrants, has problems with school discipline and hooligan behaviour of their youth and severe alcohol/etc problems in families, has problems with parental rights, is running out of money to sponsor social welfare.

In Sweden recently there is a legal backfire starting against feminism, as most complaints regarding discrimination/wrongful conviction are now filed by men.

We are ALL EQUALS, and men in Sweden are now using EXACTLY the same laws...and what should a court do in such a case?

A good example can be read here:

http://www.thelocal.se/15354/20081031/
Damages for wrongful child rape conviction

or here:
http://www.thelocal.se/14690/20081001/
Sweden pays man after sex with 14-year-old

Or what about this one:

Saying no to sex not enough to secure rape conviction
http://www.thelocal.se/14100/20080903/
A 22-year-old man who admitted that his accuser said no to having sex with him was acquitted of rape charges by a court in western Sweden.


And about PEACEFUL SWEDEN:

http://www.thelocal.se/15670/20081113/
Family charged for brutal axe attack against neighbour

A father and his five children were charged on Thursday for their involvement in a vicious axe attack against a 47-year-old man last spring near Harapanda in northern Sweden.
The father and his three sons were charged with attempted murder, as well as acting as an accomplice to attempted murder.

The man’s two daughters were charged with protecting a criminal, as was one additional suspect.


SeeC,
You admire SWEDEN?
I also do, as it seems they are now on the right way...

This man also doesn't agree that Sweden is good for EVERYBODY, not just the women.

feminits hate men and try to bilk men anyway they can nowdays with the aid and abetting of the Family Courts nothing more that star chambers

seems Sweden is at the apogee of this male hatred nowdays

More evidence that Sweden has the same social issues as other western countries.

http://www.drugpolicy.org/global/dru...neurop/sweden/

Crime in Sweden

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden

Happy families in Sweden

http://tinyurl.com/5b6xvm

According the CIA Factbook Sweden has a 1.67 birth rate, well below the replacement rate of 2.1

Another typical western problem that Sweden "doesn't have": obesity in children. Overeating, in my book, qualifies as substance abuse. It's often caused by emotional deprivation.

http://tinyurl.com/5v8oof

Swedish economy is pretty down....

Volvo to cut 900 jobs
Published: 11 Nov 08 13:37 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/15606/20081111/



Volvo Group has announced that it is to cut 900 jobs from its Powertrain operations in Sweden.

• Volvo Cars incurs massive losses (7 Nov 08)
• Volvo to lay off 600 workers (29 Oct 08)
• Volvo trucks profits on downhill roll (24 Oct 08)

http://www.thelocal.se/14448/20080919/

Women's rights on downward turn

Published: 19 Sep 08 13:20 CET
Anti-globalization activists have warned of a downward turn for women's rights across Europe, citing growing religious extremism and neo-liberalism as contributory factors.

The trend has been observed across the continent and even in Sweden, a country normally seen as a pioneer in gender equality issues, Maria Hagberg, a Swedish member of the European Feminist Initiative (EFI) network, told AFP.

"We have seen a backlash in recent years in Europe and also in Sweden, which is known as the most egalitarian country in the world, but that is only on the surface," Hagberg said late Thursday on the sidelines of the European Social Forum being held in the southern Swedish city of Malmö.

The decline of women's rights is a phenomenon taking place across Europe, said Soad Bekkouche, a representative of the French group Laicite (Secularity).

"We see it clearly in everyday life," Bekkouche commented.

Hagberg said that in Sweden earlier strides were now being threatened due to politics and legislation, and pointed to a rise in violence against women.

Five years ago, 20,000 acts of violence against women were reported, a number that has since grown to 30,000, she said.

The growing inequality affects immigrant women in particular, said Soleyman Ghasemiani, a social worker originally from Iran and now living in Sweden's second biggest city Gothenburg.

Paradoxically, authorities' desire to display tolerance and respect of immigrants' religions and culture could be accentuating the phenomenon.

"The Swedish authorities and politicians have a lot of respect for religions and traditions and they think it's not possible to criticize Islam," he told AFP, adding that in so doing they were playing into the hands of religious fundamentalists who want to suppress women's rights.

He linked the decline in women's rights in Sweden in part to the centre-right government's arrival in power in 2006.

"The conservatives have more power now. There are more religious schools than five or 10 years ago (and) they get (state) subsidies. I am worried because I see a backlash on the ground," said Ghasemiani, who has lived in Sweden for 24 years.

"You have people who are teaching their daughters that to be a good daughter is to stay at home," he said.

Bekkouche said that across Europe, both "immigrant women and local women face the same problems amid the rise of religious extremism and neo-liberalism."

She cited the case of Polish women who could previously get legal abortions in their country, which is no longer the case. In the former eastern bloc country, contraception was now "virtually inexistent", she lamented.

"When we see the criminalization (of abortion) in Ireland and Malta, the battle is not won," she said, adding that there was "a need to be vigilant all the time."

She also expressed concern over growing poverty among women, in particular single mothers.

Bekkouche stressed that legislation aimed at creating parity between the sexes did not automatically improve women's rights.

"Legislators want us to believe that women are making strides in European countries by adopting laws on parity. ... These are minor laws," she insisted.

Some 20,000 activists and 850 associations, non-governmental organizations, unions and other networks are taking part in 250 seminars and hundreds of cultural events being held in Malmö through Sunday, based on the theme "Making another Europe possible."

I'm very surprise (not, LOL) to see that SeeC hasn't given any input to this debate... can't imagine why?

SeeC is a feminist grunt. Not capable of real debate, unlike Katherine for instance. If you challenge her claims, and she doesn't have a standard answer available, she will simply restate her claims over and over again like a broken record.