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And by the way. Sweden is consider one of the happiest country in Europe right now. Many feminist friendlycountries also at the top of the list
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There is no information available how to measure 'happiness'...

I would like to see the questions used for examinating happiness.

For sure such questions like 'Are you happy to pay out of your salary more than 50 percent income tax/social insurance in Sweden as an ordinary wage-earner?' were not asked.

Some comments of readers given in your link do not share your opinion, for example:
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- Eva, Budapest, Hungary, 21/11/2008 17:08
How do they explain the high suicide rates in northern countries?
- George, Luxembourg, 21/11/2008 17:36
Also let me add, that Scandinavian men are one of the leading groups of EU-citizens in Thailand, living with a Thai wife.



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Re: SWEDEN - the feminist dreamland?

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And by the way. Sweden is consider one of the happiest country in Europe right now. Many feminist friendlycountries also at the top of the list

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-laugh-.html

A survey like this only measures what people will say when you call them up and ask them how happy they are. It doesn't actually measure well-being. And you still don't understand what a non sequitur is. The population of small rich countries is likely to do well under all circumstances. Malta gets a 7.9 although it's not particularly feminist -friendly (abortion isn't even allowed there). Ireland gets 8.0, just 0.3 less then Sweden even though it's a Catholic country and not very feminist.


 
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Also let me add, that Scandinavian men are one of the leading groups of EU-citizens in Thailand, living with a Thai wife.
There's another thing: these small socialist countries export disgruntled people to neighboring countries, or oversees. The people who are left behind are likely to be more at ease with the system.

And the people are also constantly told by their political elite how wonderful their country is and how lucky they are. This British observer didn't agree:

http://www.rense.com/general79/brave.htm

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Dear Ted,


Before I begin, perhaps I should tell you something about myself. I am a 49 year old British man, married to a Danish lady and living in Denmark. Prior to moving here back in 1996, I had spent 15 years as Police Officer in London and before that 6 years in the military.


I was raised in the industrial area of South Wales and come from `blue collar` stock. Up until quite recently, I had been a believer in the `democratic` process and a staunch conservative.


My awakening began upon my relocation to this small, cold northern country. Up until then, I had `bought` into the consensus viewpoint, and although as a serving officer in London, I had been aware of all the rapid changes taking place in society, I had not realised that these changes were orchestrated and designed, as opposed to `evolutionary`.


I had imagined that Denmark would be little more than a smaller version of my homeland. My wife was/is not much different in views and culture from myself, and our countries shared a joint history. For the first half year or so, I didn't take too much notice of my surroundings, as we were occupied with the day to day business of setting up our home and all those other mundane necessities.


It was when I was able to sit back and take note of my new environment that I was struck immediately at how different Danes were from British people. My wife had lived in the UK for some years and I soon learned that she was not typical of her country folk. The most immediate, and annoying character trait I noticed was the habitual need Danes have to tell other people how wonderful Denmark is, and how much better everything is compared to other places. To even the casual onlooker, it was clear that they were deeply delusional.


Denmark is an okay place, but no better and a degree worse than some places. It is small, with a population of around 5,000,000. Until very recently, it has been very homogenous, (and to a great extent still is) and somewhat isolated, tucked away as it is up on the top edge of Europe. In fact, if one wished to conduct a `social experiment`, few places would be better suited, or located. Add to this the truth that Danish people are by nature in awe of authority, compliant and passive. Forget the `Vikings` of yore. Most of them settled in Britain, Northern France and down the Volga.


I began to question this pride in all things Danish. The food variety and quality was nothing like as good as in the UK. The public infrastructure was inadequate, and oh so slow. Monopoly was the name of the game in business. No competition whatsoever. Danish produce and Danish produce only was the rule of things. The sheer cost of living in the place was/is at least 2-3 times that of the UK, and yet everyone was asking me so proudly if I felt lucky to be living in Denmark. Then there is the much vaunted Danish Medical System. Again according to Danes `the best in the world`. But that's just the thing, it wasn't/isn't and the standards are dropping continually, whilst the costs of prescription medicine and Dental care, even on the back of this `public health service` are out of control.


As a former London Police Officer, I was often asked to give lectures at Odense University, on matters relating to crime etc. Over the next few years, I gave dozens of these presentations, and was shocked at how unquestioning and compliant young Danish people were. They were immune even to provocation, which I used on several occasions in order to get a response, but usually to no avail. I was able to attend several classes over this period, and was appalled and shocked at the levels of Marxist/Feminist views being foisted on the young people. The history of their country prior to the end of WWII is just not taught at all, and very few Danes have any grasp of their country's past. Almost all the teachers were female (of a sort), and the classes themselves were overwhelmingly populated by girls. Almost every lecture I attended was weighted heavily towards a `European` future, and very few were not heavily biased in that direction. And yet, pardoxically, the `Denmark is the best country in the world, with the best education system, best medical system, best social system, best economy, ad nauseum was also a constant theme. This is the same message transmitted through every media outlet, and Danes take love of flag to a new height, even decorating Xmas trees and birthday cakes with that national banner. This apparent contradiction, caused me great confusion at the time, but no longer. Today, I understand.


This acceptance/compliance extended into society in general, where complaints against the system of any kind were in very short supply, or non existent to be truthful. With every new law, or government inspired price increase or tax hike, would come the standard response "there's nothing you can do about" or in Danish, "Saadan er Danmark", which literally means, "that's how it is in Denmark".


Denmark is the country of rules. There are rules for everything here. Even the rules seem to have rules, and the people have an annoying way of interfering in each others lives to the point of self regulation. One of the world's smallest countries has one of the `biggest` governments, and `The State` is by far the biggest employer here, so people depend upon it for their livelihood.


The ID Card was introduced to Denmark back in the 1970's. Every Dane, or foreign resident here has a `personal number` and unlike the `National Insurance` number in the US or UK, it must be quoted in order to do almost everything. One cannot get a bank account, travel, do business of any kind, learn to drive, drive, be educated etc etc. without it. It masquerades as a health insurance card, but has a far more all encompassing purpose. It is also backed up by a national register data base. The coming Biometric model will simply be accepted as an `improvement` and or progress.


Conformity in all things is the way of life here. People dress the same, cut their hair the same, eat the same, do the same, like the same, say exactly the same phrases, in fact, modern Danish is more a language of phraseology than anything else (Newspeak ?). They like the same food (and will serve the same `fayre` to guests every time, no matter which Danish home one visits). An evening out at a Danish household, could/can be scripted beforehand, from start to end.


Danish women and girls have with a few exceptions, become almost androgynous in appearance, and most are fiercely feminist in their views, actions and manners. Danish men are for the most part emasculated. Danes love their country, but will not fight for it. Danes loathe all things foreign, and resist all such influences, to the point where their shops have very little on the shelves, and what there is is rediculously expensive, and yet, they absolutely fail to recognise or resist the looming shadow of the European Superstate, still believing it to be something they can just walk away from when they have had enough.


Danes rarely smile, are very reserved to the point of being rude, and yet, a recent (ish) opinion poll carried out throughout the EU showed them to be the most content of Europe's people. It was this that really got my juices flowing. Danes had been telling me for nearly eight years that `they had it so good`. But they didn't. Not at all. They had it good like a bird in a cage has it good.


I had the feeling even back then that if one made too many comments of an unfavourable `Anti Denmark`nature, then just maybe my residiency might be revoked, or I might come into contact with the `State Authorities`, (Danes are encouraged to `Spy` on each other and do so with gusto). Of course no such thing occured, but the feeling was there. Such is the insideous nature of Danish society, which heralds `Free speech` as an inalienable right (As in the Mohammad Drawings) and yet damns that same `free Speech` to foreigners or dissenters



By the end of the 1990's, I had begun to understand the extent to which the Danish population had been completely indoctrinated. Any form of criticism was fiercly resented. Nobody ever complained about anything of an official nature. Nearly everybody I knew, or those I saw speaking on TV seemed to believe that the Danish Government wished only good things for them. That the ever burgeoning tax burden was necessary, even a good thing. We are speaking of an income tax of on average 50% plus a sales tax of 25%. This level of taxation is across the board, and includes tax on cars, houses, food, and well, everything you can imagine could be taxed is taxed and then some. And all prices on all things rise on 31st January every year, without fail. This is just understood and accepted without comment by the majority of the people. "Saadan er Danmark".


When my wife and I tried to explain to people that in the UK, we paid a fraction of the Danish tax burden, and still managed at least a parity in social welfare, and medical care, they wouldn't believe it. When we told them that the food in DK was of an inferior quality, with no variety and rediculously priced. They again wouldn't hear of it. I just could not be.


We travelled to the US three times between 1996 and 2001 spending a total of fourteen weeks there and travelling some six thousand miles. Those three `trips` were milestones in my life, and I was bursting with tales of our adventures, but upon returning to DK, not one Danish friend or family member showed any interest whatsoever in our stories. It was as if we had never been away. The only people who were at all interested were our `international` contacts.


Now, I might be rambling at this point, but what I am trying to depict here is a society quite unlike anywhere else, even by European standards, Denmark is different. If it isn't Danish or Denmark, then they cannot contemplate it at all.


I felt totally disaffected with the country, and at that time, even with no knowledge whatsoever of any `Global Conspiracy`, would say things to friends such as; " These are not people, they're like `Body Snatchers`", or "There must be something in the water here", and even "It's in the food they eat". Little did I understand how close to the truth I was.


Then I started to put the pieces together; the inertia of the youth, the conformity of it's citizens. The `blind` obedience of the populace. The apparent contentment being voiced, which was in obvious conflict with the miserable demeanour of Danish people. The narrow, insulated `bubble` view of the world around them. The conditioned state of national denial, refusing to admit even the possibility that some place else might be in some way better. And the absolute kicker; the Danish obsession with work. It is the only thing they talk about. To work is everything, and if one is not in work, then one is a member of a trade union, which will find some way of ensuring that one has little or no spare time to think and consider life, and what is happening all around.


In 2003, I read Sen. Pat Buchannan's book, `The Death Of The West`. This work set me on the path to discovery, and although I have moved a little beyond it, the facts and ideas expressed by the author were in many cases highly relevant to my experiences in Denmark. But the point is this; on page 77, Sen. Buchanan at the top of the page makes this quote, "The perfect totalitarian state, is one where the all powerful political bosses, and their army of managers, control a population of slaves, who do not have to be coerced because they love their servitude". This is from Aldous Huxleys nightmare novel `Brave New World`, and it describes Danes and Denmark almost to a tee.


I spoke to my wife about this, and she told me that she had read the book. That in fact it was required reading at `Upper level` schooling. You see Ted, that is it. Denmark is `Brave New World`. I set about reading `the work`, and it chilled me to see all the parallels with Danish Society.


They have introduced so much of it here. The mindless compliance and conformity, the androgyny, the totally passive and non agitative demeanour. The all pervading Social State. The Brain washing and categorisng of students within the education or rather, `State indoctrination` program`. The resorting to the use of `Psycho Analysis` for any form of `anti social` behaviour, which can be nothing more than daring to publicly criticise the state, or asking awkward questions, or young males playing around in classrooms. The prescription of `happy pills` to supposedly depressed people or in other words, anyone who begins to see what it is that surrounds them. The Mass Media, State Education, State Health Service and all the other avenues of public information tell the same story incessantly. Denmark is the best country, Danes are the best at everything. All things Danish, are better than those which are non Danish. It has created a people so `dumbed down`, so afraid, so passive, so paradoxically proud yet obviously suffering from a deep seated inferiority complex. Arrogant, yet totally lacking in self confidence. Put another way, this is one `mucked up place`.


No need of `Tasers`, or heavy handed Police tactics here. Not much evidence of surveillance cameras either. If the government says inject your kids with this or that drug, Danes will do it because the government told them to. When the time comes to be microchipped, the State will tell them it's for the best and they will do it without question. Simply without question.


Joseph Goebbels said, " Propaganda must be able to be understood by even the most stupid members of society. Then you can make people believe that paradise is hell, and hell is paradise".


Denmark is not quite `hell`, but it's on it's way there. Yesterday, another `BS` news report told Danish people than the reason the cost of food had risen so much was because of problems in Australia and Nigeria. Well then, that's okay then isn't it. We just have to suck it up, there's nothing we can do about it`. The State has explained why we now pay almost double what most people are paying in the rest of Europe for food, Electricity.oil, clothing, transport, tax etc. etc.


The fools just accept it. Nobody asks "What has Australia and Nigeria got to do with a 25% price rise in the cost of Danish Dairy Products, Bacon, Meats, Bread and the spectrum of food stuffs produced in Denmark" ? They are told it's down to a recession, or inflation, or some other (bogus) cyclical economic phenomenon. But the point is, nobody asks any questions. They are simply `content in their servitude`.


Recently, the Danish Prime Minister signed the EU Reform Treaty. Then without bursting into fits of laughter told the Danish people that there would be no referendum on this `Treaty` as it did not affect Danish sovereignty. This is clearly a `bare faced` lie, as once ratified, it will remove Denmarks ablity to decide it's own economy, justice system, home affairs, defence and a whole lot more. In other words, Denmark will be a nation no more, except in the daydreams of it's prozac popping citizenry. When I have tried to explain this to people here, they say things like "No, our Prime Minister would never do that. He would never sign such a document". Them when told he already has, I get, "Ah well, we can always withdraw later if it doesn't work out".


But that's just the point, they won't be able to. Short of declaring armed resistance, and that's just not the Danish way. To a Dane, raising one's tone a little above whisper level is considered displaying anger. The `Feminazi's` here have done their job very well.


It is my opinion that the EU is running two `Test Models` side by side. Model one is the UK `1984` type, which is intended for those member states whose populations are more prone to resistance, and Model two, the `Brave New World` type, as demonstrated here in DK, for smaller, less rebellious peoples.


I have probably not done this topic justice, but if I have introduced you to what is happening here, that will be my work done. Denmark, is like nowhere else, and Danes are unlike anyone else, except perhaps the Swedes and Norwegians, who from what others have said, are undergoing similar programming.


Hope it wasn't too tedious.


Regards, Philip


PS. It should be said that of course not every Dane follows this pattern, but in my experience at least 96% of those I have met during the past ten years do. Two sites worth visiting for anyone interested in Denmark are www.heising.dk and www.nylonmanden.dk


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A survey like this only measures what people will say when you call them up and ask them how happy they are.
It's not the only point.

This is ONLY within EU-nations. Other countries in Europe are ignored (Switzerland, Norway, Serbia...)

ALL other continents/other countries are totally ignored, like if they do not exist.

Even within Europe (EU-countries only), this result is highly questionable, what people have been asked for their opinion?

I see Romania (a poverty place, many gangsters, corrupt government and income difference to Western Europe up to 1:100 !) as happy as people living in Italy.

Something must be wrong even with the basics...

Everybody who knows what is going on in Eastern Europe will tell you, Romania is a terrible place for living for ordinary people...Nobody, who is impoverished there like a coal-miner or a factory-worker can be really 'happy'.. especially in winter, living in freezing conditions and barely able to pay for food and firewood.



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what country are you really from, girl? Tell Otis the truth. You'll feel better.

I'm guessing your German.
What made you think she is German?

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And by the way. Sweden is consider one of the happiest country in Europe right now. Many feminist friendlycountries also at the top of the list

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ng-laugh-.html


Sigh a lot of this has sth to do with mentality. Look at Germany. What I think is true about most Germans is we are often complaining. For example it is raining -> "horrible weather", the sun is shining -> "It is too hot here".

We might be the economic power of Europe and have a very high standard of living....but I have the feeling we will never be the happiest, no matter how well we are doing...



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What made you think she is German?
She speaks the same type of broken english that I have heard other German girls speak with. Also she obviously isn't from Eastern Europe or she wouldn't be into feminism and she is not from Scandanvia or she wouldn't be talking about Sweden like it was a type of far off Disneyland.

I guess she could also be from Austria or Switzerland.


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SeeC is American. Her English isn't broken, her writing is just a bit sloppy.


 
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Her English isn't broken, her writing is just a bit sloppy.
Bit like the logic... Oooh I didn't just say that!








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Re: SWEDEN - the feminist dreamland?

Just looking at the topic alone of this thread, I'd agree.

Sweden IS feminist dreamland...

Look at the related articles towards the bottom of the page for a demonstration of my point.


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