""Oppressing women is one of the major cause for society ill.""

just who has oppressed that chattering twit SeeC lately !!!

feminits love to gibber about oppression yet the USA is the cherry of the western world's cake - wimmin have never had it so good in all of the history of mankind

but western wimmin they are oppressed -they clamour endlessly ?????

this is the Critical Theory of the Marxist Herbert Marcuse in practice

that is - whine and chatter about anything that is not feminit dogma

pigs may fly yet with this chop logic

Or maybe feminism is the one that will spread further and quicker than Islam


No, I simply said that Sweden and other Western countries are much more stable than the other countries


Consider the condition of third-world countries it is obvious where those people would want to live, it's just common sense. Look no further than the ammount of people trying to migrate to Western countries(like the US for example) where many would willing to "jump the fence" just to get here and the condition of Mexico isn't as bad as other 3rd countries, that alone speak volumes.

Wrong, feminism has help countribute greatly to the economy. Feminism liberate women, free them from oppression, won them equal rights and oportunities. With those rights women are free to work outside the home and enter the work force. Women entering the work force contribute greatly to the economy and is one of the main reason why the US is such a powerful nation as it is now.

Wether you like it or not, feminism has done great things for this country

Is this another one of those feminist and left-wing conspiriancy? LOL! are we suppose to only trust source that came from the "right". Admit it, you don't agree with it simply because it doesn't fit your bias view.


What does that have to do with anything? Does that change the fact that those countries are much more stable? Nope..


Just look at countries where women are treated like second class citizen for further proof..

SeeC...no offense but how could you possibly marry?

Men are not evil.

We are just as wonderful and worthwhile as women!

If you choose to divide people, denigrate half of all humans, and deny responsibility how can you expect matters to improve?

Let's study this phenomenon. She's such a typical female debater.

1)

Me: religious leaders in ME don't want western dysfunctionality
Se: are you crazy. ME is much more dysfunctional
Me: they don't have as much broken families, single parents, substance abuse etc
Se: only a few western countries have these problems
Me: which ones don't?
Se: see the top of the global peace index
Me: like sweden? Sweden has these problems too
Se: I only said that Sweden is much more stable than the other countries
Me: we were not talking about stability, we were talking about western social ills
Se: *thinks of another evasive answer*

2)

Look how she deliberately edits my quote, in order to create a straw man:

This is what I said:

This is how she quotes it, leaving out my main argument:

3)

Se: feminist friendly countries, like Sweden, are much more peaceful
We: Sweden is not so peaceful: they are member of Nato, export weapons
Se: does that change the fact that those countries are much more stable?
Us: ?????

4)

She still doesn't understand what a non sequitur is. The fact that western
countries are relatively successful doesn't prove that feminism is a good
thing. Many of the social ills in our countries are related to family
instability and feminism is clearly a major contributing factor to this. Good
luck trying to get that into her head.

This can be said about almost any religion, especially Christianity.
Only few Islamic countries however have a theocratic government - like Saudi Arabia (Wahabi) or Iran (Shia Muslim).Not really, because Islam is not anti-male.

Generally, most Westerners are mixing up Islam and Arab culture. However most believers in Islam are not Arabs.

Indonesia today is the biggest Islamic country in the world, it is still not theocratic in its government.

No ideology or religion can sustain itself for very long if it doesn't meet the practical and emotional needs of the community. (See communism.) Christianity and Islam have clearly done so for a very long time, otherwise they wouldn't exist today.

Western countries are only relatively successful due to a policy of remarkable huge debits, which are still growing and growing.

All these 'relatively successful countries' would be in very serious economic problems, should the creditor nations demand them to pay back their debits.

Iceland, the super-feminist nation is the recent best example for a nation-wide financial bankruptcy, even requesting loans from RUSSIA...

USA has to worry about huge debits against China and many other Asian countries, which are far away to be called feminist....not to talk about debits to some certain Arab nations.

For sure, feminism costs a lot of money, is contra-productive, is based on long-term debits, and as a result, (as money MUST come from somewhere), feminism is based on very high taxes.

Or maybe feminism is the one that will spread further and quicker than Islam

Perhaps, but what happens when Feminism spreads to those nations from which we now draw our immigrants to prop up our populations? What happens when ALL nations have a below replacement birth rate like the West? It's simple really; extinction.



No, I simply said that Sweden and other Western countries are much more stable than the other countries

They arent, reflation will only work for so long, pretty soon we're going to have to watch most of our economies disintegrate in a deflationary sinkhole in order to cleanse our monstrous debts.






Wrong, feminism has help countribute greatly to the economy. Feminism liberate women, free them from oppression, won them equal rights and oportunities. With those rights women are free to work outside the home and enter the work force. Women entering the work force contribute greatly to the economy and is one of the main reason why the US is such a powerful nation as it is now.

This is disproved by simple chronology. The US was an economic powerhouse long before feminism. Before women entered the workforce things were great, full employment, labour shortages leading to high wages and affordable homes. When women entered the workforce they drove wages down, unemployment up and caused an explosion in the price of houses and vehicles. This is why it now generally takes two incomes to maintain a house.

Wether you like it or not, feminism has done great things for this country

At the end of the day, a nation that fails to reproduce it's own citizens has no future. If feminists were really concerned about women's rights they would make some attempt to secure them for future generations of women as well. But they dont, they dont care it's unsustainable, they don't care that there is a hole in their boat and its slowly sinking. They have goodies for themselves right now so they aren't interested in the fact that below level birthrates MUST eventually lead to the demise either of feminism or of those nations that harbour it.


Just look at countries where women are treated like second class citizen for further proof..

The West did this according to you for over 95% of its history. You seem to think feminism, which is barely a few decades old, is responsible for the dominance of the west, which has been the case for centuries.

I am not sure...there is not such a decision like EITHER/OR...

There are many women, who are believers of Islam and their number is increasing, especially in the Far East and in Africa, but also in Europe and near Europe, like in Turkey.

Islamic countries even had female presidents, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Indonesia...in Malaysia women are also in superior positions in politics.

It seems, Islam is not that oppressive towards females, but Muslim women have to follow some certain rules of morality, and US/EU feminists do not like that.

US/EU feminists want to regulate all about what men are doing, but expect about themselves a life of 'I do what I like'...(to the expenses of others, of course...)

It's not only about Islam, but there are many countries of different culture (like here in Asia), which do not agree to such US/EU feminist views.

Conservative Catholic Philippines has a different view of morality and do not agree with Western feminists.
Marriage still has a value in Philippines, and divorce/cancellation of a marriage certificate is costly, time-consuming and difficult. Abortion remains illegal.

Buddhist Thailand also protects marriage, and as cheated husband you have all rights to file lawsuits for financial compensation against the lover of your wife. Abortion remains illegal, too.

Communist China has no idea about what is spousal rape in its laws, and Japan (not a poor nation) also not, and there is no alimony or child-support.

Our feminist agitator friend, SeeC, is correct.

I despise feminism and would like to see it completely destroyed, don't get me wrong, but I am not delusional about its entrenchment or rate of progress.

Vis a vis Islam, Western feminism is a juggernaught and Islam just isn't.

However it has a huge prostitution industry doesn't it? Which is usually symptomatic of Matriarchy.

Such countries (esp. Malaysia) are also highly under the influence of Western feminist agencies such as the UN. US and Western forces are working hard to export our flagship feminist doctrine to these Islamic areas. IMO if you have a female head of state, or a number of them, it cannot be seriously argued that you are actually Patriarchal.

Spot on.