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If she says daddy, I want you... You know what to do. Actually this could be done away with fairly quickly by not banging her the night you meet her. Obviously, I wouldn't show my ID to someone if he'd ask it like this. I mean, no offense, you don't trust me about my age, but I'm supposed to trust you about being alone in a single bed with you and letting you inside of me? lol

Judging by AngryHarry's statistics and half of the rape allegations being false, this would mean I have the same odd of being genuinely raped as you having a false rape charge. So I shouldn't take the chance of being alone with a man either.

And by the way, I'm against prosecuting underage people who have sex with other underage people. All this could be solved by people actually getting to know each other - women stop being whores and men stop being whore chasers.

This is why I'd make bars and clubs liable for it. They have the authority to ID people who go in and that would make sure that if you pick a woman in a bar, she will be over the legal age for consent. And I don't have this problem. I actually met my boyfriend's parents, all his friends, his former girlfriend. lol

Well in some ways I guess the bar/club could be to blame, but in truth, I find it hard to hold someone else responsible, for what 2 other people get into.But I see what your getting at, and you are right, if the bartenders did a better job of "weeding out" the underage, then there wouldn't be such an issue with it....However in reality there is not an overabundance of underages in the bars around hear, so that part of it, from what I can see is a relatively minor problem.However, I will agree that the situation, would not happen if you didn't have to worry about 16 yr old girls getting into bars, but at the same time, its IMPOSABLE to catch all of them all, all the time, and the remainder is mostly the fault of employees, not emplorers...What I mean is that, unless the owner is there 24/7 there is no way for him/her to police this.

The bottom line is that NONE of this, would even be a problem lf common sense was used, and the law(s) rewritten with this sense used.Some such sense would be the age range of 3-5 years, another would be to make the drinking age and the legal age of adulthood the same age, and make the AOC into the age RANGE of 16-17 and not just 17...Then, with that, give the PARENTS back the rights to consent to there kids relationships/sex life.After all, in reality just because someone is X amount of years older/younger does not mean in and of it self that that person is a bad match does it? The parents can tell most of the necessary quality's in the person, and make a determination ALL ON THERE OWN as to whether or not the said person is "OK" of there boy/girl..

Add into that from 16-18 only giving driving privileges to those accompanied by a legal guardian, or driving instructor, and allow parents to teach there kids how to drive, at whatever the hell age they see fit to teach them...

That last part just by itself, would RESTRICT there ability to GET to the dammed bars/clubs, not to mention it would better prepare them to be on the road on there own.Just to name a FEW.

Do all of this and WHAM, we have a law that just might serve a purpose, which would act (in my opinion) as an acceptable guideline for everyone to follow.

If she says daddy, I want you... You know what to do. Actually this could be done away with fairly quickly by not banging her the night you meet her. Obviously, I wouldn't show my ID to someone if he'd ask it like this. I mean, no offense, you don't trust me about my age, but I'm supposed to trust you about being alone in a single bed with you and letting you inside of me?

RV, in my life, you take whatever you can get okay.

Thats not just talking about sex, its also talking about dates, phone numbers, winks, complements, relationships and flirting.

My point, is that ALL of those things are difficult to get from women, but all of them are also HUGE self-esteem boosts, which is also in part because of there rarity.And you'd even have to agree that a guy with HIGHER self-esteem would also find it easier to get those things in the first place eh??

To put it bluntly, bar sluts are a "necessary evil" at the moment.

What you say has some Bering though, because if people did take there time, go threw what used to be called "dating", then it would do this situation some justice.

Now, the problem with this is to be blunt again is that traditional dates are F-ing boring, even more so to the women..Women like to be "entertained" and without alcohol, there just isn't any affordable friggen way to do that...lol

Seriously, its just not much fun to go to dinner together, or go out to the movies, or go roller skating around and around in circles holding hands or go for a "walk" together...Or any other much stuff that is affordable enough to be able to do very offten...

I, along with many, many, many other men have tryed to actually do those things, but found out that they would rather go out, get drunk, get fucked, PUKE and then never see you again Which also gets quite pricey, but at least if she bothered to meet up with you to go out to the bars to be her "escort" more or less, then usually by the end of the night it means that you will be the one she screws, and at least then its not a complete waist of time

So now we have so narrow our definition of "bar slut", to the meaning of the ones that MEET guys at the bars right?

But whats the real difference between the ones that only MEET guys in bars and the ones that only GO TO BARS when they meet guys????

Where are the women that actually like to go out on "real" dates?

And where in the hell do you find women besides bars/clubs? The Internet????

No offense, but its not that guys GO FOR bar sluts, its that THATS ALL THERE IS TO GO FOR, because while we all know there are good women out there, we dont know where the hell they are?

If you ever tryed to talk to chicks at a grocery store, or get a phone number from a girl you run into at work, then you might get what I'm getting at in part.

You have to be some kind of a pick-up artist, for that not to go badly, or end up embarasing....

Then once again, unless you can afford some kind of elaborate EXPENSIVE, or somewhat costly date (or better defined maybe by saying "day out"), they do not want to go out on a date to go "walking" or to the local "steakhouse" for dinner.So even if you do get her to agree to go on a "date" WTF do you go out to do to keep her "interested/entertained" enough to want to go out a second time???Much less, until you GET TO KNOW HER???

Unfortunately, the only real option is to go out to a bar/club to hang out and socialize with groups of people, dance, listen to music/DJ's...etc
Not to mention that theres not much of anywhere else besides bars/clubs to MEET women in the first place soooooooo.......

What kind of options does that leave? The "slow" girl that lives on the street corner?

Hell even shes got options.

I mean, no offense, you don't trust me about my age, but I'm supposed to trust you about being alone in a single bed with you and letting you inside of me?

No, Id say the same to ALL women, and that is to date ONE GUY AT A TIME, make yourself available to ONLY ONE GUY AT A TIME and be willing to do OTHER things without an "attitude" and maybe even be "flirty" and give complements to him...Let him know hes got your "interest" , that it is WORTH HIS WHILE to pursue you, and let other men know(i.e. friends and other men that are/might be interested in YOU) that you are seeing HIM as this is a BIG trust builder.

If you follow those simple guidelines, most guys that are not JUST in it to get laid (note they obviously will expect sex to be in the equation EVENTUALLY) will continue to go out on dates with you, until a more "comfortable" time to further the relationship to the "sexual" level, or until you/he decides its not going anywhere.

But at the same time, dont dress with your tits hanging out and super tight cloths that your ass pops out of, and/or rub on some dudes dick, and expect him not to WANT sex, and then get OFFENDED because he wants to make sure the girl flaunting herself in front of him like a STRIPPER and/or rubbing on his cock,is in fact old enough to BE a stripper, and to have sex with and/or date maybe even, and then lay all the RESPONSIBILITY in that situation on HIM, to "slow down", and "repress" his sexual urges.

And dont take offense if a guy simply asks for you to prove your old enough...How do you know hes not a great guy, that has a GENUINE interest in getting into a meaningfully relationship, and considers you a "catch" but still wants to make sure your of an acceptable age?

Shagda, a large part of your post is off-topic and as it's 5am here I'm really too lazy to read it. Your logic about the way women dress is like telling a rich guy to shut up when he complains about gold diggers and that he should buy used clothing to get away from them.

And there are a lot of fun things you can do. I go play pool, bowling, mini-golf... Those don't involve alcohol and they're cheap. And you can find women at school, mall, park, coffee shops etc. There are lots of places. Use your social circle.

Here they ask you the ID when you get in some bars. They can do that there too. And as a rule of the thumb, if you pick someone in a place where everyone is supposed to be over 18, then it's not your fault. If a car salesman tells you their car is fine and you realize it was crashed 5 times before you got it... Then he's not responsible?

I have no problem with these laws. I actually have no problem with any law that teaches people to be more than sex starved drones. But again, guys like this have their purpose - to buy me drinks. That's it. And yes, because that's the only thing they care about, I don't feel bad about using them. It's hilarious when they're stupid enough that they end up buying drinks for my boyfriend too. The dating world is just like economics, by the way. If there would be demand for something else than bar sluts, you'd get less of them and more of others because the bar sluts would just get bored. For example, my boyfriend finds them disgusting pieces of shit in which he wouldn't stick his dick. If more men would think like that, you wouldn't have such a thing as bar sluts. Also, these laws along with others are needed to get rid of the social cancer.

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Shagda, a large part of your post is off-topic and as it's 5am here I'm really too lazy to read it. Your logic about the way women dress is like telling a rich guy to shut up when he complains about gold diggers and that he should buy used clothing to get away from them.

And there are a lot of fun things you can do. I go play pool, bowling, mini-golf... Those don't involve alcohol and they're cheap. And you can find women at school, mall, park, coffee shops etc. There are lots of places. Use your social circle.

Here they ask you the ID when you get in some bars. They can do that there too. And as a rule of the thumb, if you pick someone in a place where everyone is supposed to be over 18, then it's not your fault. If a car salesman tells you their car is fine and you realize it was crashed 5 times before you got it... Then he's not responsible?

I have no problem with these laws. I actually have no problem with any law that teaches people to be more than sex starved drones. But again, guys like this have their purpose - to buy me drinks. That's it. And yes, because that's the only thing they care about, I don't feel bad about using them. It's hilarious when they're stupid enough that they end up buying drinks for my boyfriend too. The dating world is just like economics, by the way. If there would be demand for something else than bar sluts, you'd get less of them and more of others because the bar sluts would just get bored. For example, my boyfriend finds them disgusting pieces of shit in which he wouldn't stick his dick. If more men would think like that, you wouldn't have such a thing as bar sluts. Also, these laws along with others are needed to get rid of the social cancer.

Yea, ill lay this to waist later, its getting to be my bed time as well.

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Shagda, a large part of your post is off-topic and as it's 5am here I'm really too lazy to read it. Your logic about the way women dress is like telling a rich guy to shut up when he complains about gold diggers and that he should buy used clothing to get away from them.

And there are a lot of fun things you can do. I go play pool, bowling, mini-golf... Those don't involve alcohol and they're cheap. And you can find women at school, mall, park, coffee shops etc. There are lots of places. Use your social circle.

Here they ask you the ID when you get in some bars. They can do that there too. And as a rule of the thumb, if you pick someone in a place where everyone is supposed to be over 18, then it's not your fault. If a car salesman tells you their car is fine and you realize it was crashed 5 times before you got it... Then he's not responsible?

I have no problem with these laws. I actually have no problem with any law that teaches people to be more than sex starved drones. But again, guys like this have their purpose - to buy me drinks. That's it. And yes, because that's the only thing they care about, I don't feel bad about using them. It's hilarious when they're stupid enough that they end up buying drinks for my boyfriend too. The dating world is just like economics, by the way. If there would be demand for something else than bar sluts, you'd get less of them and more of others because the bar sluts would just get bored. For example, my boyfriend finds them disgusting pieces of shit in which he wouldn't stick his dick. If more men would think like that, you wouldn't have such a thing as bar sluts. Also, these laws along with others are needed to get rid of the social cancer.

Yes I did ramble quite a bit off topic.But it all ties together in the end from what I can see.Its a parodox of sorts, A-B-C-D-A.

And there are a lot of fun things you can do. I go play pool, bowling, mini-golf... Those don't involve alcohol and they're cheap. And you can find women at school, mall, park, coffee shops etc. There are lots of places. Use your social circle.

You missed a HUGE chunk of my point...That being that women DO NOT like to go out on dates to do ANY of those things..

The next point you missed is that women ARE NOT reseptive when you try to aproach them in malls, bowling aleys, the go-cart tracks, coffee shops...etc If they were I wouldnt have any problems because I just happen to have got my old job back as a supervisor/mechanic/maitenece, at a BOWLING ALEY, which I have worked at, more or less since 1999.So far be it to say I think I know better than you, because I see, first hand, the difficultys guys have beating themself up, just trying to get women.

Furthermore RV, at least around hear it is ILLEGAL to go around and sit in public fasilitys without ever buying anything...There is a word for this and its VAGRENCY. I dont know about the rest of the world but around hear, if you go to places and dont spend money YOU WILL be asked to leave, end of story.

Now I do realise that this law is taken pretty "loosely" in places, as to mean its not really ENFORCED by the "police" but the OWNERS/EMPLOYEES can and WILL throw you out if they so choose to, and if your not spending money, and going up to women who are spending money, and they seem to get anoyed at his pressence, what do you think is going to happen????

Even more than that, if you go and sit at a park, with more than 3 people and are not acctually doing something (like playing ball, swiming..etc) you get HARRASED by the local PD, told to go home, and if you refuse they try to slap you with MOB ACTION...This is ussaly directed at the younger kids/teenagers of course though.

Now granted, years back I thought that the MALL in -particular would be a GREAT place to find women as it seems to be one of the few places you can ever FIND an abundance of them.But once again, you have to be some kind of PICK-UP artist, or just extreemly "slick" for it to go any other way but BADLY.Im not that "dence" RV, I have actually tryed these things, and I have also watched countless others try, and fail miserably.

Lastly, those are all rather "juvinile" sugestions, you do realise Im a guy in his late 20's do you not?

Its not "socially acceptable" for me to "hang out" at the mall, where mostly SCHOOL GIRLS hang out, and the same would go for the rest of the suggestions you had as well.

So once again, where exactly is an ADULT male, supposed to go to find "good" women?? The retierment home?????


Now granted, without this extreem sexual urge, and the somewhat awkwardly compeleing notion of "companionship"NONE of this would probably be of pressing concern, the general "concencus" would probably just be of a more passive type, so as to pretty much say "meh, whatever happens, happens"...Some guys get caught into this, and dispite good judgment in the majority of the rest of there lives, cannot seem to use the better part of LOGIC, when faced with the possable "fullfilment" of there desires..

Here they ask you the ID when you get in some bars. They can do that there too.

Some bars do this, and the ones that dont really dont have the "costomer base" to really require this messure.

Once again you missed a big chunk of the point in that.

In those places its the often times the fualt of the EMPLOYEES i.e. the person watching the door and checking the ID's.

Not to mention "back door" services that other employess/personell can use to "sneak" there freinds/others into the building..

In short, good help is rare, esspesially in the "party" industry.

Another part of the point of that was that the owners, have no real way to POLICE this, because they obviously CANNOT be there themself 24/7, and even if they could, they still couldnt KEEP AN EYE on EVERYTHING, all by themself..

Which is why I think it is unreasonable to try to hold the bar owner or any particular employee RESPONSIBLE for what happens between other people...

Your logic about the way women dress is like telling a rich guy to shut up when he complains about gold diggers and that he should buy used clothing to get away from them.

You think its unreasonable to expect LITTLE GIRLS, to dress apropreietly?

Look I understand that adult women are going to dress however the F-ing hell they want to...Despit what I THINK, about how any particular womans choise of dressing herself, I ultimatly realise that MY OPINION is not LAW, nor does it nessisarily IMPLY that somehow I have "greater reasoning" than, the majority...

However, once again if you dress with your ass/vag hanging out/tits showing/uber tight cloths you can see clit threw...etc Then hang out with guys and lead them on (like this

because that's the only thing they care about, I don't feel bad about using them.

) or get fresh with them, dont be surprised when you boyfreind gets his ass kicked, and you get called a whore or manipulative bitch.

And as a rule of the thumb, if you pick someone in a place where everyone is supposed to be over 18, then it's not your fault.

Obviously you have NO comprehension of what the f*ck the statutory rape law intails..

Yes it is to your fault, by law, even though YES in reality if "common sense" were used the law WOULD be writen/practiced in the manor your leaning toward.However this is not the case, as a legal adult in the U.S. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE for makeing sure the person is of legal age/that sex is "consensual"...etc Regardless of any of the FACTS of where you met her at, or if she basicly threw herself at you or not...etc etc

It's hilarious when they're stupid enough that they end up buying drinks for my boyfriend too.

Yea I have dated girls like you before.The ones that go out and talk to guys, let the guys buy her drinks, but NEVER mention they have a boyfreind, even if hes in the bar.

In this situation what that guy intentions are are IRRELOVENT, because if you were direct about telling them YOU were TAKEN, they would not pursue you in this mannor, esspesialy if your "guy" is with you...In short they are only following threw with these "intentions" because YOU ARE LEADING THEM ON, only to get something for your selfish little self.

Yea, I know your type reall well.

I remember one night in particular A bitch did exactly that same line of BS with me, and after I found out she had a BF in the bar I confrunted him, and asked him if he knew what she was doing...He indeed did know this, then he got cocky and started getting "pushy" and calling me a "punk", and said "what of it chump" and got in my faced and pushed me...Hmm.

What ended up happening, since I was fresh out of prison at the time, is I simply steped back.....Then watched closely as 6 of my best freinds hurled this idiot out of the bar like a sack of potatoes.

Dont be surprized if you play games and something similar happens when you "play with fire" RV, "paybacks a bitch"!

Now if your honest with them, and then they deside to buy you drinks, thats there fault/there desision.But if you lead them to belive your "single" "available", or stait up LIE about your relationship status, then your being manipulative.

Shagda, I understand the statutory rape laws. I said that you have no responsibility if you pick someone who is under 18 in an over 18 place from a common sense point of view, not legal. The litigation should be against the place that allowed an underage person inside, not the person who picked an underage person from there. This will force clubs and bars to actually check IDs and not let underage people in.

And it's easy. You can fall for this, only if you want a one night stand. Otherwise you can go and meet her on campus if she's at college which would prove she's over 18 or go to her highschool and see what class she's in when she gets out of class to go somewhere with her. Her friends will only vouch for her being over 18 that night, not for the rest of her underage life. Especially since you will get to meet other people in her social circle too.

If someone does shit, he gets thrown out. I usually hang out in the same places and staying at the after hours and buying drinks to the bouncers(better investment than buying my own drinks) has more merit than getting in for free at times - people should really do this because they'll also let you in with your own booze and it's better to get a bottle of whiskey for 20$ instead of 200$. And I don't lead people on. I don't go and flirt with them and tell them to buy me a drink. But hell, if they offer me a drink out of the blue, I'll take it, even if I know why they do it.

And no, I don't find it appropriate for 14 years olds dressing like whores, but that's something their parents should handle.

But again, guys like this have their purpose - to buy me drinks. That's it. And yes, because that's the only thing they care about, I don't feel bad about using them. RV.

I see a tongue in cheek here but many would not. Indeed it is a common female attitude.

It relies on an 'mind-reading' assumption that 'that's the only thing they care about'. I am quite certain they care about many, many other things but girls easily dismiss any consideration of them, so that they can use it as an excuse for their own pre-formed decisions.

"All men are only after the same thing", says the 15 y/o who doesn't know any men at all.

" I hit this stranger, Officer, because when I saw him walking down the street, whistling and looking in the car showroom window, I just 'knew' that all he wanted was to mug me. So I don't feel bad about creeping up behind him and hitting him over the head and picking his pockets"

The age of consent laws are another feminazi trick to criminalise normal male instincts, and dont do anything beneficial that could not be done more effectively by allowing parents (fathers) to decide what their charges are getting up to..

It doesnt matter whether a man is 15, 16, 30 or 60, he is pretty sure to have an easier time getting wood for a stunning sweet 15 year old virgin than a clapped out lump of overridden lard aged 30 with the appropriate feminazi attitude..

Not that most men would consider acting on such impulses of course, as the social factors are of course always relevant..

There is a common saying amongst men who know what is what in these matters..

"If you dont admit that that peice of jailbait looks damned fine, you are either lying, or seriously wierd!"

Human society has a disfunctional attitude towards sexual matters at the moment..

But I am sure of one thing, the state is not able to effective control anything in this area..

Paradoxically, the state is also EMPOWERING young sluts to behave in a sexual manner by preventing parents from having any knowledge of what they are getting up to, and prescribing them contraceptives etc..

And what is so much BETTER about, say, a 15 year old lad with no ability to provide for a family (which is often the outcome of underage sex as we are aware!) getting his way with a 15 year old woman compared to a 30 year old man who is established and capable of caring for the consequences etc?

Apparently, studies have shown that the best age for a man to marry is 30, and 15 for a woman, in order to have the best chance of producing max surviving offspring..

Not that reproduction is considered as even relevant when sex is discussed in feminazi soaked societies..

The key to it all is using sex as a weapon, for women to use and abuse with impunity, while men get THE SHAFT!!

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I see a tongue in cheek here but many would not. Indeed it is a common female attitude.

It relies on an 'mind-reading' assumption that 'that's the only thing they care about'. I am quite certain they care about many, many other things but girls easily dismiss any consideration of them, so that they can use it as an excuse for their own pre-formed decisions.

"All men are only after the same thing", says the 15 y/o who doesn't know any men at all.

" I hit this stranger, Officer, because when I saw him walking down the street, whistling and looking in the car showroom window, I just 'knew' that all he wanted was to mug me. So I don't feel bad about creeping up behind him and hitting him over the head and picking his pockets"

Yes, I bet they'd like having an intellectual conversation with each of us shouting in the others ear. So tell me, what does the average man who buys drink to different girls he doesn't know wants? I didn't say that all men are after one thing, but the vast majority of men who buy drinks in clubs are hoping... Nevermind. lol. Buying approval is a horrible trait and I really don't feel pity for those who do it.

The max surviving children? You realize that that would be around 20 children or more? I know a couple who are married for 13 years and have 9 children. They got married at 18. So if she was 15, add another 3 children. It's not like you can actually maintain these many children.

Yes, I bet they'd like having an intellectual conversation with each of us shouting in the others ear. So tell me, what does the average man who buys drink to different girls he doesn't know wants? I didn't say that all men are after one thing, but the vast majority of men who buy drinks in clubs are hoping... Nevermind. lol. Buying approval is a horrible trait and I really don't feel pity for those who do it.

RV, when/if a man comes up to you, in a club/bar there is ANY number of things on his agenda.

Let me put it to you this way.

How often do you think ANY guy ACTUALLY gets laid by women he simply buys drinks for,and "hangs out" with?

The answer is NOT VERY OFTEN.

The main reason guys go to bars and buy drinks for women is because they are LONELY, or (believe it or not) probably just think you look good, and want to see if ANYTHING happens,(or in other words there taking a RISK, and putting themselves on the line so to speak) e.g. A date, a friendship,a marriage, a girlfriend a kiss, a hug a conversation or yes of course, even SEX.

What I'm getting at is that when men do this there isn't necessarily ANYTHING in particular on there "agenda".Most men, dont go out to the bar and EXPECT to get laid by ANY girl they happen to buy a drink for.It wouldn't make any f*cking sense to go out "expecting" it, because it doest actually work out like that very offten...In all actuality when a guy buys a drink for a gal, he is most likely aware of the fact that it WONT get him laid, you see?

For me I almost NEVER buy drinks for women, unless they happen to already be dating me, or are close freinds...The reason is, well...Simply put because women that think like you do, exist in an overabundance.

Its kinda like the "ever so wise" Percy said.

It relies on an 'mind-reading' assumption that 'that's the only thing they care about'. I am quite certain they care about many, many other things but girls easily dismiss any consideration of them, so that they can use it as an excuse for their own pre-formed decisions.

And hes exactly right too.

but the vast majority of men who buy drinks in clubs are hoping... Nevermind. lol

And we see that AGAIN right there.

This is your own pre-formed conclusion.

You (like most women) have this pre-conceived notion that EVERY man, ONLY wants to get in your paints, and that there is no other things AT ALL on there mind beside this (Like ya know, maybe a date, or maybe even a relationship further down the road).So no matter what the REALITY of the situation is, or even before this situation happens, YOU ALREADY DECIDED how you will act upon it.

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The age of consent laws are another feminazi trick to criminalise normal male instincts, and dont do anything beneficial that could not be done more effectively by allowing parents (fathers) to decide what their charges are getting up to..

It doesnt matter whether a man is 15, 16, 30 or 60, he is pretty sure to have an easier time getting wood for a stunning sweet 15 year old virgin than a clapped out lump of overridden lard aged 30 with the appropriate feminazi attitude..

Not that most men would consider acting on such impulses of course, as the social factors are of course always relevant..

There is a common saying amongst men who know what is what in these matters..

"If you dont admit that that peice of jailbait looks damned fine, you are either lying, or seriously wierd!"

Human society has a disfunctional attitude towards sexual matters at the moment..

But I am sure of one thing, the state is not able to effective control anything in this area..

Paradoxically, the state is also EMPOWERING young sluts to behave in a sexual manner by preventing parents from having any knowledge of what they are getting up to, and prescribing them contraceptives etc..

And what is so much BETTER about, say, a 15 year old lad with no ability to provide for a family (which is often the outcome of underage sex as we are aware!) getting his way with a 15 year old woman compared to a 30 year old man who is established and capable of caring for the consequences etc?

Apparently, studies have shown that the best age for a man to marry is 30, and 15 for a woman, in order to have the best chance of producing max surviving offspring..

Not that reproduction is considered as even relevant when sex is discussed in feminazi soaked societies..

The key to it all is using sex as a weapon, for women to use and abuse with impunity, while men get THE SHAFT!!

It doesnt matter whether a man is 15, 16, 30 or 60, he is pretty sure to have an easier time getting wood for a stunning sweet 15 year old virgin than a clapped out lump of overridden lard aged 30 with the appropriate feminazi attitude..

The age of consent laws are another feminazi trick to criminalise normal male instincts,

"If you dont admit that that peice of jailbait looks damned fine, you are either lying, or seriously wierd!"

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Yes, I bet they'd like having an intellectual conversation with each of us shouting in the others ear. So tell me, what does the average man who buys drink to different girls he doesn't know wants? I didn't say that all men are after one thing, but the vast majority of men who buy drinks in clubs are hoping... Nevermind. lol. Buying approval is a horrible trait and I really don't feel pity for those who do it.

Your right. Any man who buys a slut drinks is starting off on the wrong foot..

The max surviving children? You realize that that would be around 20 children or more? I know a couple who are married for 13 years and have 9 children. They got married at 18. So if she was 15, add another 3 children. It's not like you can actually maintain these many children.

Back in those days, they did not all survive, but those that did, worked and paid their own way.. Maintaining children is not that difficult, they dont actually NEED a great deal.. And they used to be productive little buggers from an early age! Times have changed of course since then, but human instincts have not.. and this is the point..