I show that firearm violence shortens the life of an average American by 104 days (151 days for white males, 362 days for black males). Among all fatal injuries, only motor vehicle accidents have a stronger effect. I estimate that the elimination of all firearm deaths in the United States would increase the male life expectancy more than the total eradication of all colon and prostate cancers.

and do you really think that if there were no guns that men still wouldn't be on the top of that little list?

there are other ways to die ya know?

gang problems are "city" problems-not "everyones" problem

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I get absolutely enraged every year around this time when certain insidious elements of the media 'insist' on referring to remembrance sunday as being a time to remember 'the men and women who died.'

It's politically correct historical revisionist bullshit disgracing the memory of these brave young men by including women where none actually existed.

In every town and village in my part of the world, there is a war memorial usually in the town square ( I'm sure its the same where you come from) when i pass them i cant help but stop and read the names, and wonder to myself who they were,what they were like, what they did for a living and who they may have become.


I don't recall seeing any ladies names.

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Three weeks ago I was standing in the Canadian memorial garden on the ridge at Passchendaele, looking across the gentle slope of fields down to Ypres, it is scarcely a ridge, it was chilling to think of the 16,000 men who had perished there.

unreal....eh?

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In every town and village in my part of the world, there is a war memorial usually in the town square ( I'm sure its the same where you come from) when i pass them i cant help but stop and read the names, and wonder to myself who they were,what they were like, what they did for a living and who they may have become.


I don't recall seeing any ladies names.

Me neither. There is an area set up just for soldiers who died in the war in cemeteries in New Zealand. Well, in my area, for sure, which is a very big cemetery. it is fascinating reading their head stones.

There has never been a female representative nor a female speaker in any war remembrance day in NZ as far as I know.

It is a big deal for the Maori also because the wars brought the men together for the greater good -all communities.

Edit: Plus all documentaries over here are about the men as soldiers.

But I get what CD is saying. Young men over here around me are really big into the history of men when it comes to wars. (including my sons) They remember it everyday because they expect it will happen it them one day.

Edit again: I sort of think they are not exactly expecting it to happen to them but that they understand it happened to men before them.

EDIT, 3rd time over. I figured I should ask them instead of just guessing.

Their answer to my question, "Why do you focus on wars?"

Their answers, ;

1. Because it changed the world,
2. Because it is fascinating to know what men before us went through so that we can be spoilt the way we are.
3. Because they gave it to me in history to study.
4. I don't care about any other war except WWII. I care because it was necessary. It was necessary because the world was in a state of infancy and it needed resolve and it was best resolved through war.

Thank God a number of males have gone home for dinner.

Just because no women's names were recorded it means no women fought or aided the fight and none perished?

It may be so, or it may be false.

History is recorded by whom....

Is it always recorded accurately?

If even just one woman died, does that mean she is not worthy of mention?

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Just because no women's names were recorded it means no women fought or aided the fight and none perished?

It may be so, or it may be false.

History is recorded by whom....

Is it always recorded accurately?

If even just one woman died, does that mean she is not worthy of mention?

maybe a shrine or monument?
put it at the gates of all the cemetaries and make sure it is first and foremost so everyone can see it in front of the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of men's gravestones.Better yet make it big enough so any visitors will only pay attention to this one gravestone and forget the rest.

maybe a pic of a women brandishing a rifle with a bayonett on the end in a fighting stance?

would this be good enough for you?

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maybe a shrine or monument?
put it at the gates of all the cemetaries and make sure it is first and foremost so everyone can see it in front of the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of men's gravestones.Better yet make it big enough so any visitors will only pay attention to this one gravestone and forget the rest.

maybe a pic of a women brandishing a rifle with a bayonett on the end in a fighting stance?

would this be good enough for you?

I don't care about any of that. I don't give a shit about building monuments. It would be nice just to know that the word "woman" doesn't inspire such absolute "fury" as that claimed by CD (and others like him.) That's all. That's it.

And I already know it's too much to ask and way too much to expect.

And I already know it's too much to ask and way too much to expect.

yes-the evil patriarchy is to blame

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yes-the evil patriarchy is to blame

I don't agree. That's way too generalized. The problem is far more specific- it seems to surface only in certain individuals. They have their own individualized sets of rationalizations and justifications for it, I suppose.

That's all I'm going to say about that.

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I don't care about any of that. I don't give a shit about building monuments. It would be nice just to know that the word "woman" doesn't inspire such absolute "fury" as that claimed by CD (and others like him.) That's all. That's it.

And I already know it's too much to ask and way too much to expect.

The 'fury' as you put it (a little different than enraged btw), is because the bloody sacrifice of those brave men is wrongly being attributed to women also. It's an industrial sized lie, born of politically corrected contrivance. I like my history neat, nothing added, simple as that. Just the truth.

Nothing wrong with the word "woman" per se (Nice try at playing that tactic though. Are you going through one of you're 'phases' again?), but when it come's to historical reference, the words man and woman have their own correct places. Any deviation away from this and revisionism replaces history itself. A dark path indeed, one to which I vehemently oppose.

Remembrance Sunday is about those male soldiers who were enlisted or volunteered, and fought and died in the millions. We're not including civilians, and given that there wasn't a single female who was enlisted or volunteered to fight on the frontline in WW1 - then it's not even an argument. And spare me the paranoic snipe of "History is recorded by whom....."

I can reluctantly expect every aspect of men's lives to be totally hijacked by feminists, political correctoids and the gynocentric brigade, but any attempts to sully this most important day with incorrectly placing the word woman in battle references - is tantamount to pissing on these men's graves.

It seems even those honourable men who died a century ago can't escape this modern politically correct crapola!

You mentioned "others like him." Could you please elaborate on that Tera?

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The 'fury' as you put it (a little different than enraged btw), is because the bloody sacrifice of those brave men is wrongly being attributed to women also. It's an industrial sized lie, born of politically corrected contrivance. I like my history neat, nothing added, simple as that. Just the truth.

Nothing wrong with the word "woman" per se (nice try at playing that tactic though), but when it come's to historical reference, the words man and woman have their own correct places. Any deviation away from this and revisionism replaces history itself. A dark path indeed, to which I vehemently oppose.

Remembrance Sunday is about those male soldiers who were enlisted or volunteered, and fought and died in the millions. We're not including civilians, and given that there wasn't a single female who was enlisted or volunteered to fight on the frontline in WW1 - then it's not even an argument. And spare me the paranoic snipe of "History is recorded by whom....."

I can reluctantly expect every aspect of men's lives to be totally hijacked by feminists, political correctoids and the gynocentric brigade, but any attempts to sully this most important day with incorrectly placing the word woman in battle references - is tantamount to pissing on these men's graves.

It seems even those honourable men who died a century ago can't escape this modern politically correct crapola!

You mentioned "others like him." Could you please elaborate on that Tera?

I agree with CD here. Women are getting an unfair amount of praise here, as if they fought equally proportioned wich is NOT true. It's unfair to those brave men to shift the praise for their sacrifices to those of who did not.

as far as I know, the only nation that had female front line soldiers in either of the wars was the USSR in WWII

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Just because no women's names were recorded it means no women fought or aided the fight and none perished?

It may be so, or it may be false.

Sorry, but, IT IS SO! There are still men alive here in NZ that were in WWII and history has been passed down quite well in New Zealand and Australia.

Even in the main Museum in NZ there is not one female name on the walls. We have grave stones that are over 100 years old even in the bush where soldiers died in the war between Maori and European. Not one female involved.

History is recorded by whom....

The people who were there. They wrote about it and before there was paper and ink, they had other ways of recording wars.

Is it always recorded accurately?

Now that is the problem. While the aged are alive we can get accurate information but once they go the young can change it to what ever the like.

If even just one woman died, does that mean she is not worthy of mention?

To be honest, I don't know why women care about this. Maybe jealousy.

In the Great War many women did great service as medics working in awful situations not far from the front lines, but even this grim job that I greatly respect them for was but a picnic compared to the actual fighting in the trenches.

The people who disgust me where the girls handing out white feathers shaming men into enlisting, when they themselves would never have to wade through mud, bodies and barbed wire, into machine gun fire and near certain death.