Is it a mere coincidence that the worse American college education gets, the fewer men there are that go to college and the more women there are that do?

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Is it a mere coincidence that the worse American college education gets, the fewer men there are that go to college and the more women there are that do?

Possibly. I think the issue is a bit more complicated than that, even. The problem as I see it is that we have a one size fit's all approach in our education system which just doesn't cut it. Some people can learn faster than others and others learn much more slowly. Some people need extensive interaction with their teachers and other people need almost none.

Ms. Chaff you are a blantant feminist always behind the curve, we have several empirical pieces here at AM about the College Gap and the Boyz Crisis, perhaps you have forgotten "take your Daughter to work", we know feminists such as yourself try to bias the data, twelve feminists tried to disclaim Boyz Crisis adding you that makes thirteen...
...where are your cites to contravert those already here at AM,
why apples to oranges...
girls have the same options other than an undergraduate degree as do boys...
what causes more grad students to be female? `feminist diatribe?

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Possibly. I think the issue is a bit more complicated than that, even. The problem as I see it is that we have a one size fit's all approach in our education system which just doesn't cut it. Some people can learn faster than others and others learn much more slowly. Some people need extensive interaction with their teachers and other people need almost none.

Sure. Even though I am a teacher, I hate school and always have. I love learning, but when schools act like businesses, it makes education difficult for both teachers and students. I prefer to learn on my own or with private tutors.

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Possibly. I think the issue is a bit more complicated than that, even. The problem as I see it is that we have a one size fit's all approach in our education system which just doesn't cut it. Some people can learn faster than others and others learn much more slowly. Some people need extensive interaction with their teachers and other people need almost none.

I don't believe it's actually one size fits all. It's actually a women's size. Men are not going to fit in that. Curriculums have been redesigned in a way that empathises activities that are advantages to girls. On the contrary, boys strengths and especially their needs are neglected. Especially the latter. Basic boy behaviour is considered disturbing and bad (a recipe for Ritalin drugging). With the lack male teachers, this is actually a problem that becomes more severe by the day. Boys lack the kind of attention and role models they need. They lose whatever motivation they already had and just how much will you learn without sufficient motivation?

For further education, up to college and university, this sets the stage for the lack of interrest to continue studying. That is not all though. Especially for college and university, there are many programs and campaigns to encourage women and scholarships to finance them. For plenty of men, they (conciously or sub-conciously) will feel they are in a hostile environment. Add that to the lack of encouragement, support and the subtle wreckage caused in primary school.

I am being quite... short on the subject, alas I don't have the time to write a longer, more detailed story. Nevertheless, it should provide something to think about if not to research about. Feck's warcraft file is a fine place to find more stuff to read about this.

Long story cut short, academics are hostile to males by design and it sets them up for academic failure. All in the name of women outperforming boys with no regard to the employed means and the consequences... an act called 'equity'.

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Ms. Chaff you are a blantant feminist always behind the curve,

No. I am not a feminist.

...where are your cites to contravert those already here at AM,

These are just my thoughts, I came up with everything in the OP in a moment of inspiration. I have no idea the truth of my statements. I even said that I accepted that the Boys' Crisis and the college gap exists but I am unsure about how much of it was due to discrimination and choice. Perhaps you need to improve your reading comprehension and actually read what I said instead of trying to attach some ulterior motive to what I typed. The OP is an attempt to identify the issues and reasons behind the crisis.

Long story cut short, academics are hostile to males by design and it sets them up for academic failure. All in the name of women outperforming boys with no regard to the employed means and the consequences... an act called 'equity'.

Interesting side note: my unborn son is being home-schooled due to almost exclusively from what my husband told me, about his experiences in high school(I was actally home schooled but I walked with the high school at graduation), which seemed to me to curb stomp on creativity and actual learning.

I think the lack of male teachers or role models are a serious problem and I can agree that it's a contributor of the boy's crisis, but... if zetamale is correct then that means we have to start valuing our teachers more to attract men to teaching positions.

I also don't know about classroom structure since I was homeschooled(but I walked with the high-school during graduation) and college is a difficult beast for everyone. I don't know anyone man or woman that didn't have a hard time busting their asses off trying to get good grades.

If men are choosing not to go to college, I believe, it is because they see no point. Society-at-large, not just our schools, are unapologetically hostile to all things male. Why then should men care? One does not need a fantastic job to get by. Marraige and family are no motivation anymore. Sex is free for any non-mutant who can comb their hair and fake their way through ten minutes of conversation, why bother? Work fifteen years, break your back, and bust your balls getting into a good place, financially and socially, so you can watch some spiteful state-empowered bitch destroy it all?

What, exactly, does society offer men? That they should aspire to anything beyond meeting their basic needs.

There are interesting points raised.

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If the wage gap is because of women's choices then the education gap can be [on some level]attributed to men's choices. I'm not throwing out the possibility that there is discrimination against boys in the classroom...

If one is looking at college entrance, then it is worth considering how much of this is a choice. As with women generally choosing to work for less money (whether the type of work or the length of hours) it is worth asking "IF low college entrance is by male choice, why are they making those choices."

If one is looking at school/college achievement then I doubt that choice is really in it. I doubt that the choice of males to not concentrate on their studies is going to explain any significant difference one way or the other from the choice of females not to concentrate on their studies. This is not an area I know much about but I understand that the RATIO of achievement of the genders is now far higher for females - and that does not seem to make sense other than that the educational facility (or the educational measurements) is that much better for females than for males.

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The college gap specifically interests me because of how the gap was found. What about men who go into apprenticeship programs or go to technical trade schools? Many of the guys in my high school class went into trade schools or right into work. The others went into the military and college.

This is about entry, not achievement and there is something to be said for looking at the wider picture of 'further education' rather than just college. However, since there is pressure to enable quotas in many areas of work that are currently male-intensive so that males can't get on so well in those fields, any look at other forms of further education has to also ask why females are not going into those areas. For example, if we want more female mechanics (for whatever dogmatic reason) then more females should be encouraged into mechanical apprenticeships BUT if we are encouraging more females into further education schemes where perhaps more males are currently going, this must be balanced by enabling more males to enter those areas where more females are going.

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To me, it seems that the issue is a lot more complicated than simply "there are more women in college." I'm thinking that there is a mix of factors contributing to the issue...and discrimination is only part of the issue(which may or not be as serious as thought).

So those are my thoughts. What do you all think?

College tends to be a path to the office jobs. This is an area that feminists have been pushing for a while now, and are achieving legal quotas to discriminate against men. Why should men not be in such jobs, and not have such education, in equal measure? Any failure to enable and encourage as many men into such positions as would match the general workforce ratio IS discrimination.

are men interested in wimyn's studies with texts such as from Dworkin the core misandrist slob the doyen of the feminit movement ( the spell checker throws up misandrist as a spelling error - apparently the word does not compute in the new age);

incidentally the Western world was not created by whining feminit wimyn and their mangina lickspittles nor were its institutions it defended by wimyn ! note the grave stones have men's names on them by the hundreds of thousands - very few wimyn;

femiitism is a farrago of confabulated lies ( eg 10 000 years of male oppression of wimyn ) forced on hapless men by the new age feminit Marxist wimyn and their feminit commissars !

note too the current demise of the erstwhile mighty USA now drowning in its own debt about 14 trillions owed to foreign creditors this demise is parallel with the rise of feminitism over the last forty years in the West which attacks men and their enterprise and ability to think objectively !

I say what have wimyn invented lately besides abortion and rip off divorce

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"IF low college entrance is by male choice, why are they making those choices."

Perhaps dad_savage is correct, or maybe he's not. My thoughts are that perhaps it goes into typical guy interests, I mean how many guys on this forum actually have college education versus how many go for the military/apprenticeships/technical schools? It seems to me that men choose other options than college education, which can explain the gap.

This is not an area I know much about but I understand that the RATIO of achievement of the genders is now far higher for females - and that does not seem to make sense other than that the educational facility (or the educational measurements) is that much better for females than for males.

College education amplifies your earning potential by a lot, depending on your field of study. I heard on the radio today that I will have earned around 2 million dollars compared to someone who only got a welding certificate for example, by the time I retire. I will agree that there is a huge demand to get women into college, and it certainly seems that the education system does not offer the same encouragement to men. My husband has finally earned a bechelor's in music education and he's going for a master's in music theory next, before then it seemed he didn't have the encouragement to actually earn his degree.

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are men interested in wimyn's studies with texts such as from Dworkin the core misandrist slob the doyen of the feminit movement ( the spell checker throws up misandrist as a spelling error - apparently the word does not compute in the new age);

College is not just women's studies.

note too the current demise of the erstwhile mighty USA now drowning in its own debt about 14 trillions owed to foreign creditors this demise is parallel with the rise of feminitism over the last forty years in the West which attacks men and their enterprise and ability to think objectively

Correlation does not equal causation.

Lady C,

Many many of the men going into the army do so specifically so they can go to college, because there isn't really any help for men compared to women...as a white male I have never received scholarships at all, while many of my friends who are either ethnically a minority or are female have much of their college paid for. Just some information I wanted to point out.

Sources: Army Veteran/Personal Experience

caff:Correlation does not equal causation.

maybe not ...... but it does offer an intriguing hint