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Single Women who Say They are Happy are Lying, "Freemales, my Ass"

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Forget this tosh about 'freemales' - single women who say they are happy are lying

By Dr Pam Spurr


Recently I stood chatting at an event to a svelte, perfectly made-up thirty-something woman.

Chloe sparkled effortlessly as our conversation ranged over many topics.

It hit on partners and marriage when the Sex And The City film came up, and she immediately described herself as happily single.

And yet her body language told another story: Chloe crossed her arms defensively over her chest until I just wanted to shout: "Yes, my dear, now try pulling the other one."

Who did she think she was kidding?

In fact, do you believe any single woman over 30 is being honest when she claims to be happy that way? I don't.

What's really going on behind that confident demeanour and fulfilled exterior is crushing loneliness and desperation.

Single women become adept at playing the isn't-life-grand game.

They have to do it around men so they don't appear desperate.

And they come to do it around other women, too, as I've discovered in the course of counselling hundreds of single women in my work as an agony aunt and life coach.

Susie, 38, a music industry lawyer, is a classic case of portraying the sunny single when inside she's utterly miserable.

In therapy sessions with me, she despaired of her secret search for a man.

I say "secret search", because two years previously she'd stopped being honest with people and telling them she hoped to settle down, at the very least, with a Mr Maybe Right.

Susie felt ashamed of living a lie - and finally confessed she always pretends to be cheerful about her single status.

"How would other people feel coming back to an empty flat after a long, hard day with no one to talk to or cuddle?

"They have no idea how good they've got it. Yet I've got too much pride to say: 'I desperately want to meet someone.'"

Susie's not alone in this huge and damaging game of female fakery.

Although, granted, there are some truly happy single women, the majority of singles are like those who confide in me.

They want a partner, they want to share their life, they get incredibly lonely and they hate having to pretend they're happy.

That's why I just don't believe the research reported in the Mail this week which identified the rise of the "freemale" - women who prefer being single and earning their own money.

I'm deluged with e-mails and letters from lonely single women who loathe keeping up
the pretence that they're happy.

Why, like Susie, do they pretend to be a satisfied single? Because when it comes to love and marriage, and romance and relationships, the way we think has changed little over time.

Yes, outwardly women in 2008 are supposed to aspire to careers and self-fulfilment, but inwardly they also long to satisfy an urge that's been around as long as humankind: to connect with a partner - and if their biological clock is ticking - to fulfil it and produce children together.

It's absolute tosh to think it's any other way. The human species would die out if this weren't the case.

Yes, career, independence and self-fulfilment are important, but ideally they can be found in balance with a relationship.

By far the majority of single women I speak to would give up a high-flying career in a flash in exchange for life with a good man.

Once you've sat on that proverbial shelf for a while, the relationships that many such women left behind in their 20s seem, in retrospect, like a golden era in their life.

Take Jenny, 35, who e-mailed me about her profound regret over dumping a man she had dated at 29.

She said he had been a good and kind partner, but she'd felt there was something "more" to be had in a relationship, and also had wanted to focus on her TV production career while it was hurtling skywards.

Jenny's e-mail made pitiful reading. She blamed herself for her predicament: her damaging attitude towards her former boyfriend, her immaturity in wanting every aspect of her "needs" met and being blinkered about putting her career first.

She suffered insomnia as she fretted nights away about her choices.

Worst of all, Jenny felt she couldn't share her fears even with her friends, particularly that she'd never meet anyone, because she didn't want to look pathetic.

When attending weddings, she felt despondent wondering when it would be her moment.

Jenny wasn't romanticising relationships - with hindsight, she understood ups and downs were to be expected - but she no longer wanted to romanticise singledom.

There are 690,480 single "Jennys" between the ages of 25 and 44 - twice as many as 20 years ago.

With marriage rates falling and divorce rates high, this number will inevitably grow.

It's true that many of these women are financially secure, and that's a good thing.

Many also find their careers fulfilling, but the ones I hear from - and they've been in their thousands - come home to a sleek apartment, decorated to their taste, and surrounded by lots of lovely things - and they feel as empty as the rooms they paid so much for.

I once coached a nationally known TV personality in her late 30s - I'll call her Sarah - who hated going back to her empty flat after long weeks of filming.

She had an image of being a carefree single, which she felt compelled to maintain.

Privately, though, she was "unhappily unattached" as she called it.

Sarah had invested in a gorgeous flat as her career went from strength to strength.

It was beautifully decorated and she surrounded herself with every luxury. But she was depressed and longed for a partner.

"How do I meet someone when I'm always pretending to be happy the way I am?" she used to ask me.

Sarah's far from alone with this dilemma. Hannah, 32, an events organiser, already worries about finding "the one", and yet maintains an image of the successful single.

In coaching sessions, she was positively paranoid about this facade.

We worked on how this put men off asking her out.

"Why would they want to risk being humiliated by asking you out?" I challenged her.

"You've honed a pretence so finely that they'll think you're not interested."

With time, Hannah's become more relaxed about trying to show the world how happy she is single, and as a result has been dating a potential Mr Right for a month.

But it took much prodding to get her there.

Often I've come across women who have sworn to stay away from men after an acrimonious breakup, only to find themselves more lonely than ever.

Sylvie, 46, a charity fundraiser, was in a relationship until the age of 37.

Deeply hurt when her former partner cheated on her, she decided she'd had enough of men "for a few years".

But, on hitting 40, she became increasingly lonely and frustrated by a situation of her own making.

"Once I'd put up a front as a happy single, I found it hard to drop," she told me.

Sylvie feels a fraud pretending that she's living life on her terms. She told me that being without a partner was like being a book without a cover.

A friend of mine, Janice, said that for her, being single was like champagne without the fizz.

She and 99 per cent of single women miss that special ingredient that women in relationships have: sharing ups and downs, day-to-day trials and tribulations, the little joys - and sorrows - with one person who's in it with you for the long haul.

They know it, and I know it, but they're too embarrassed to admit it: that's why they end up as single, lying females trying to protect some semblance of their dignity.
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They never think the party's going to end for them: there will always be a stream of available men for sex and fun times, and Mr. Right will just be there when she decides that her career is just fine and she's had enough slutting around, right?



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Re: Single Women who Say They are Happy are Lying, "Freemales, my Ass"

Two things struck me about this piece.

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Yes, outwardly women in 2008 are supposed to aspire to careers and self-fulfilment, but inwardly they also long to satisfy an urge that's been around as long as humankind: to connect with a partner - and if their biological clock is ticking - to fulfil it and produce children together.

It's absolute tosh to think it's any other way. The human species would die out if this weren't the case.
This is, in fact, the core problem with feminism.

Feminism has taught a few generations of women, in effect, that their biological role as child-bearers is not something that is in itself desirable, and is something that should be subordinated to other things. Of course, feminism pays lip service to some forms of motherhood when it goes off on its Earth Mother/Gaia/Goddess tangent, but in reality the main message to young women has been: get your career going very well, no need to have kids, or no need to rush to have them, and whatever you do, don't settle for a man that is less than 100% perfect because if you do, you'll end up with a wife-beating rapist, which is what most men are.

Well now we are seeing the results of that. When feminism taught women that child bearing was just one of a host of equally compelling options for women, it was telling a profound lie to women. Not that all women need to have children to be fulfilled -- of course that is not the case. But the vast majority of women *do* feel a profound drive to reproduce. Feminism downplayed this and twisted the minds of young women to think that it was not that important ... which created an inner conflict in many of them as their feminist-tutored brain collided with deeper, less malleable urges within them. The resulting inner turmoil has undermined many a relationship for these women.

The reason for this, of course, is that the most strident and radical of the academic feminists (the folks who are responsible for the mind warping, by and large) have real problems with heterosexual sex to begin with, and are profoundly angry, not only at men, but at the whole genetic order which assigns to women the role of child bearers. Hence the wild dreams of some of them regarding the development of an asexual means of reproduction -- now not only is the patriarchy to blame, but the whole of genetic evolution which evolved sexual reproduction for homo sapiens is itself the oppressor! If these radicals could blame the patriarchy for the genetic order, they surely would, but even they see how that would be patently absurd.

So, instead, these people taught generations of women to devalue their child-bearing role, which encourages them to focus on other things. This has had a profoundly negative impact on young women. Some of them have been bamboozled into thinking that things will be just fine if they wait until they are 40 to have a child. Here in the US, the Medical Association tried to screen a series of public service announcements a few years ago warning young women about the realities of the biological clock and that waiting too long was putting both themselves and the potential children at significant risk -- but the ads were pulled under a furious hailstorm lobbed by the women's groups who asserted that the ads were "misogynist". One is compelled to wonder how it is not misogynist to deliberately withhold from young women the information they need to make major life decisions intelligently, but when you see all heterosexual sex as rape, and see women who pursue heterosexual relationships as being unfortunately misguided and in need of correction, I suppose the world looks like a different place.

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[Once you've sat on that proverbial shelf for a while, the relationships that many such women left behind in their 20s seem, in retrospect, like a golden era in their life.

Take Jenny, 35, who e-mailed me about her profound regret over dumping a man she had dated at 29.

She said he had been a good and kind partner, but she'd felt there was something "more" to be had in a relationship, and also had wanted to focus on her TV production career while it was hurtling skywards.
A very typical case. There are millions like her. Passed up perfectly good relationships in the 20s because the feminist scripture says not to get into a relationship at that age, and in any case to wait for the perfect mate. There is currently an inordinate fear of "settling" among young women, and it's driving them away from relationships that would probably have been perfectly fine. I don't think feminism is to blame for that directly ,but definitely the fear of settling is a part of the contemporary "You Go Girl!" culture among young women, and it isn't helping them one bit in terms of finding happiness.


 
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Re: Single Women who Say They are Happy are Lying, "Freemales, my Ass"

The sad think is this....there are a lot of "perfect" guys. Normal loving guys that would be great fathers. They are everywhere...the normal shy guy hard worker probably not earning much and invisible to the successfull lonely buisnesswomen.


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The sad think is this....there are a lot of "perfect" guys. Normal loving guys that would be great fathers. They are everywhere...the normal shy guy hard worker probably not earning much and invisible to the successfull lonely buisnesswomen.
Of course, but the issue is that for women a main vector of attraction is status. So while a man of high status will be open to a relationship with a woman of lower status, the reverse is very, very, very rare, precisely because women find status attractive. There are evolutionary reasons for that. It sucks for them, in a way, because the men that they want are drawing from a larger pool than they are, but that's life.


 
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I'm happy not being married...but then again, I spent most of my life being a wife, house-wife and mother. Now I'm entering my late 30's...nearing 40, and just graduated from college (today, in fact), and I'm quite happy with the way things are. I'm not lonely. I have a lot of friends, I am dating. But in no hurry to settle down or tie the knot. And no, I don't feel rushed into finding a husband just because I'm getting older. I like my life the way it is. I'm sure there are others out there like me....

Now if I had never had a family, never had kids, I'm quite certain I'd feel differently right now about life. There's nothing more deeply satisfying than being a mom. (My opinion).


 
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Re: Single Women who Say They are Happy are Lying, "Freemales, my Ass"

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Now if I had never had a family, never had kids, I'm quite certain I'd feel differently right now about life...
Try being a dad who had kids, and suddenly finds himself single, childless by choice of others and having no one to turn to for support, except perhaps a small forum on the internet filled with guys in a similar situation.

See, that's where women are damn lucky and they still find room to complain. They get the house, the kids, the C$A... while the man get's nowt. And she continues, even after divorce, to twist the knife.

The Patriarchy™ ain't all fun, this is just one small area where a role-reversal brings all forms of sympathy for a woman trapped in this situation. Yet, even when the numbers are startlingly one-sided, still feminists complain that it ain't good enough.


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I'm happy not being married...but then again, I spent most of my life being a wife, house-wife and mother. Now I'm entering my late 30's...nearing 40, and just graduated from college (today, in fact), and I'm quite happy with the way things are. I'm not lonely. I have a lot of friends, I am dating. But in no hurry to settle down or tie the knot. And no, I don't feel rushed into finding a husband just because I'm getting older. I like my life the way it is. I'm sure there are others out there like me....

Now if I had never had a family, never had kids, I'm quite certain I'd feel differently right now about life. There's nothing more deeply satisfying than being a mom. (My opinion).

Ya, but your last bit says it all. I totally agree that many women are satisfied by being mothers. My point was about the rest, who do not have kids younger (as you did).

And in fact you have a much better chance at getting dates at 40ish, just because of the numbers. But yeah, I agree with your post, TERA.


 
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Re: Single Women who Say They are Happy are Lying, "Freemales, my Ass"

This is just more evidence (from a woman, no less!) of the failure of feminism. Women can waste their time trying to fulfill themselves and compete with men. Whether or not they succeed, they invariably crave a family. Why don't they just cut to the chase, marry young, and take care of their husbands and kids. Life would be much simpler and happier.



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[quote[ust graduated from college (today, in fact)[/quote]

And I missed this. Congratulations and Huzzah!!


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