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Same Sex Marriage

From the newsletter of Jennifer Roback Morse.

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Same-Sex 'Marriage' and the Persecution of Civil Society
Advocates of same-sex "marriage" present the idea as a step forward for tolerance and respect. But recent developments place that interpretation very much in doubt.
Legalizing same-sex "marriage" is not a stand-alone policy, independent of all the other activities of the state. Once governments assert that same-sex unions are the equivalent of marriage, those governments must defend and enforce a whole host of other social changes.

Unfortunately, these government-enforced changes conflict with a wide array of ordinary liberties, including religious freedom and ordinary private property rights.

It began with the persecution of Catholic Charities in Boston. The archdiocese eventually closed down its adoption program, because the state of Massachusetts insisted that every adoption agency in the state must allow same-sex couples to adopt.

Recently, a Methodist organization in New Jersey lost part of its tax-exempt status because it refused to allow two lesbian couples to use their facility for a civil union ceremony. In Quebec, a Mennonite school was informed that it must conform to the official provincial curriculum, which includes teaching homosexuality as an acceptable alternative lifestyle.

At last report, the Mennonites were considering leaving the province rather than permit the imposition of the state-sponsored curriculum on their children.

And recently, a wedding photographer in New Mexico faces a hearing with the state's Human Rights Commission because she declined the business of a lesbian couple. She didn't want to take photos of their commitment ceremony.
. . .

Public schools in California are soon going to be required to be "gay friendly." A doctor has been sued because she didn't want to perform an artificial insemination on a lesbian couple. A private school is in trouble for disciplining two female students for kissing. All in the name of supporting the rights of same-sex couples to "equality" with straight couples.

The fact that opposite- and same-sex couples are different in significant ways means that there will always be scope for the state to expand its reach into more and more private areas of more and more people's lives.

Perhaps some people think it is okay to shut down Catholic adoption agencies, because the Catholics have it coming to them: The Church's enemies are many. Perhaps some people don't care for Methodists, and don't care whether they lose their tax-exempt status.

But the Mennonites? These are the most inoffensive people on the planet. They have been pacifists for centuries. Their continued existence here in North America is a testimony to the strength of our ideals of religious tolerance and pluralism, in all the best senses of those terms. But now, in the name of equality of same-sex couples, the Mennonites are being driven out of Quebec.

Perhaps you think people have a natural civil right to marry the person of their choosing. But can you really force yourself to believe that wedding photography is a civil right?

Maybe you believe that same-sex couples are entitled to have children, somehow. But is any doctor they might encounter required to inseminate them?

Advocates of same-sex "marriage" insist that theirs is a modest reform: a mere expansion of marriage to include people currently excluded.
But the price of same-sex "marriage" is a reduction in tolerance for everyone else,
and an expansion of the power of the state.

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Re: Same Sex Marriage

The wedding photographer as a independent contractor has every right to refuse any contract offer to her

those two lesbians are just looking for easy money

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I simply can't understand the obsession with homosexuality in this Forum! I wonder why all such threads here receive so many replies, like that one about sexual relations with animals, of all things. Is it because so many straight guys feel threatened by it all - especially when it concerns gay men? I am straight myself and would no more entertain the idea of engaging in sexual activity of any kind with another male than I would of sticking pins into my eyeballs one after the other, but I am perfectly unfazed with the idea of other men seeking sexual pleasure with each other if that's the way they are.

Surely the main purpose of this Forum is to thrash out the problems of living in a virulently anti male society and constant male bashing in so many quarters, made even worse by a general acceptance of it as if it's all quite "normal".

As far as I'm concerned there should be no difference whatsoever in the way males and females are portrayed and represented in all aspects of society in general, with especial emphasis on the media here in the West.

There should be a blanket ban on man bashing in much the same way as there most definitely is when it comes to woman bashing.

That is far more of an important issue than banging on about two blokes or two birds standing at an altar somewhere being showered with blessings for their union and then with confetti or, and this really IS revolting - abusing animals in a horribly grotesque and truly unnatural way.


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I simply can't understand the obsession with homosexuality in this Forum! I wonder why all such threads here receive so many replies, like that one about sexual relations with animals, of all things. Is it because so many straight guys feel threatened by it all - especially when it concerns gay men? I am straight myself and would no more entertain the idea of engaging in sexual activity of any kind with another male than I would of sticking pins into my eyeballs one after the other, but I am perfectly unfazed with the idea of other men seeking sexual pleasure with each other if that's the way they are.

Surely the main purpose of this Forum is to thrash out the problems of living in a virulently anti male society and constant male bashing in so many quarters, made even worse by a general acceptance of it as if it's all quite "normal".

As far as I'm concerned there should be no difference whatsoever in the way males and females are portrayed and represented in all aspects of society in general, with especial emphasis on the media here in the West.

There should be a blanket ban on man bashing in much the same way as there most definitely is when it comes to woman bashing.

That is far more of an important issue than banging on about two blokes or two birds standing at an altar somewhere being showered with blessings for their union and then with confetti or, and this really IS revolting - abusing animals in a horribly grotesque and truly unnatural way.
Did you read the first post at all? We're worried about the social and legal implications.


 
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Legalizing same-sex "marriage" is not a stand-alone policy, independent of all the other activities of the state. Once governments assert that same-sex unions are the equivalent of marriage, those governments must defend and enforce a whole host of other social changes.

Unfortunately, these government-enforced changes conflict with a wide array of ordinary liberties, including religious freedom and ordinary private property rights.

Someone mentioned the "slippery slope" recently...



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I simply can't understand the obsession with homosexuality in this Forum!
There is NO 'obsession' with homosexuality here, Ledburn.

What people want to do in privacy is their business, not mine. And it should NOT be the State's business either.

But the State makes it it's business in order to weaken heterosexual men. The State 'empowers' anyone and anything that act against ordinary, normal men. The State encourages anything that reduces the influence of ordinary men.

The State acts against marriage between men and women (which has always been the One Institution which binds people together) providing easy and facilitated unilateral divorce which dispossesses men , makes women dependant on the State and puts their children under State 'protection'.

By encouraging homosexual relationships and granting them the traditional privileges and security of marriage it further reduces the importance of marriage, and therefore normal relations, and detaches children from parents. It's aim is to isolate. Divide and enslave.

Homosexuals are being 'used' by the State. Homosexuals are 'useful idiots'.


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There is NO 'obsession' with homosexuality here, Ledburn.

What people want to do in privacy is their business, not mine. And it should NOT be the State's business either.

But the State makes it it's business in order to weaken heterosexual men. The State 'empowers' anyone and anything that act against ordinary, normal men. The State encourages anything that reduces the influence of ordinary men.

The State acts against marriage between men and women (which has always been the One Institution which binds people together) providing easy and facilitated unilateral divorce which dispossesses men , makes women dependant on the State and puts their children under State 'protection'.

By encouraging homosexual relationships and granting them the traditional privileges and security of marriage it further reduces the importance of marriage, and therefore normal relations, and detaches children from parents. It's aim is to isolate. Divide and enslave.

Homosexuals are being 'used' by the State. Homosexuals are 'useful idiots'.

I Agree 100%



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But the State makes it it's business in order to weaken heterosexual men. The State 'empowers' anyone and anything that act against ordinary, normal men. The State encourages anything that reduces the influence of ordinary men.
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Homosexuals are being 'used' by the State. Homosexuals are 'useful idiots'.
I disagree.
I've gone on, perhaps ad nauseam, elsewhere concerning the usurpation of the language.
I wouldn't say that homosexuals are being used as useful idiots.
I DO hold that to be demonstrably true for Feminist (and their "useful"allies,-most notably), the GLBT "communiity, as well as their "other" strange bedfellows such as NAMBLA and "Truthers".

Mere fussy semantics on my part.

No Ledburian, for me, it's NOT an obsession with homosexuals.
Is it an obsession for you to decry ANY criticism, or imply -phobia, when the words homosexual, gay, chicken hawks, lesbian (often a misnomer), faggot, dyke, poofter, rainbow, "civil" union, (another misnomer) or "Actively gay college mens rights to donate blood into the health system via. the discriminating Red Cross"? are part of the text?

*sigh*
End of my contribution to this well worn subject.
Maybe for next years Freshman class.
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Re: Same Sex Marriage

why the hell not, let the dykes be as misrable as the men


 
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