This has been covered exhaustively on BBC News 24 and was also highlighted by that mangina sell-out Ming Campbell on Prime Ministers Questions earlier today

I'm sickened by the spin (as per-usual) the BBC gave to this

They will only invite sympathisers to their misandric agenda to talk about this issue- such as a campaigner for 'women's rape crisis centres' or alleged 'victims' of 'rape'

I'm sick of these bastards

If a woman claims she is raped, she better have some damn proof of it. If you can't prove it, the man should not be jailed, because that then puts innocent men in jail once you start that.

I'm sick of reading about 'rapists getting away with it'.

What pisses me off even more is that no-one is really that concerned about people in the judicial system and even worse, the government talking about practically perverting the course of justice by 'improving' rape convictions.

From a BBC article:

In the Commons, Liberal Democrat leader Sir Menzies Campbell asked Prime Minister Tony Blair: "Isn't it time for a wholesale review of the law in this area, so as to ensure we provide proper protection for women and men, who are subject to this traumatic and violent assault?"


Mr Blair replied: "Of course, we already are looking at how we improve the conviction rate for rape.

Not really suprised by that. To hell with justice, eh?
I suppose that is what happens when you get manginas and feminists in power.

This clearly sane person's comment sums it all up:

It is really unbelievable that the government, press and all the human rights organisations are clamouring so loudly for higher conviction rate. Should you not be clamouring for justice to be upheld what ever it is, be it be true or a fabricated allegations. The logical assumption of very low rate of convictions is that many of the complaints are found to be baseless. So are you all suggesting that you should somehow pervert the justice and convict more of the defendants irrespective of whether the court believes they are guilty or innocent?
Sudhir Reddy, Dundee

Most claims of rape are false, it's not suprising that the conviction rate is rather low, it actually means the system is working.

I am sure there are some that actually do get away with it, but overall I believe that is the minority of cases. Going on some personal mission to "improve conviction rates" (which will undoubtably lead to innocent men in jail) is certianly not the answer.

Rape my arse! The best commentary I ever saw about the "rape" debate was written by Bob Allen, famed Libertarian Gentleman of the web..

The basics of "rape" is this, if its truly forced sex, then there has to be some element of physical assualt involved hasn't there?

There is hardly any need for "rape" laws, as the laws regarding physical assualt should cover this..

And, at the end of the day, the purpose of a vagina is to take a tool.. And what is the big fuss about "rape"? Its usually just a vagina being used for what it was designed for, and the real issue is about some womans hurt feelings..

Now, most things that women whine about are in some way to do with their feelings being hurt and the constant re-living of anything that will ensure they continue to be able to moan about it..

Well, it may well be much in the nature of women to moan and whine about things, but its also a mans nature to want to snake a woman who is trying it on..

Its not as if most women are not loose enough already, we still treat the rape things as if most women are innocent virgins or something.. That is laughable..

I believe the rape laws are largely supported by men because of the fact that we dont want our women and daughters to suffer in this way.. Having said that, the vast majority of men would probably wish that our women and daughters did not have sex willy-nilly with everyone and his dog, consensual or not..

The reality is, women are loose these days and not too careful or fussy and the rape is will never god away..

The most interesting aspect of the rape debate is that its very much the case that WOMEN are the ones who are more likely than men to point the accusatory finger at the "women who dress like tarts encouraging sexual assualt"..

The rape debate is one that we men can happily sit back and let the women who have a little more between their ears than the femi-slut alliance tell it pretty well..

As the rape laws stand, what man is not a rapist?

If thats the case, it cant be a bad thing eh?

Practically all women I have know have "rape" fantasies..

But again, that not really rape is it?

Or is it?

Depends if she changes her mind after..

Or is she had half a shandy before she asked for it..

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The basics of "rape" is this, if its truly forced sex, then there has to be some element of physical assualt involved hasn't there?

Not really. If someone puts a knife to somebody else's throat, there will be very little evidence of physical assault, but that does not mean that that person was not raped.

And what is the big fuss about "rape"? Its usually just a vagina being used for what it was designed for, and the real issue is about some womans hurt feelings..

While there may be little physical damage, the feeling that somebody used your body in such a way with your explicit disapproval, must be terrible. Not to mention sometimes rapist does thrash his victims very seriously.

Real rape is horrible indeed. There is no doubt about that and I see no sense in trying to minimize it.

However, the issue is, as you point out

As the rape laws stand, what man is not a rapist?

Basically anything today is classified as rape (as long as it's a man doing it to a woman). No wonder we have a "rape" epidemic on our hands.

It's really nothing new. The misandrists used the same tactic as they did with domestic violence. They had to inflate the numbers to legitimize their existence (careers, handouts, etc.) and so they just watered down the definition of domestic violence as much as possible - ergo, everything is domestic violence (even shouting and slamming doors). But at the same time, they were/are very well aware, that old notions about domestic violence in general public are still as strong as ever (i.e. DV = broken bones, knocked out teeth, etc.); so, of course, they then conveniently "forget" to mention these little details and just spread the "every third woman is a victim of domestic violence" lies instead. And when people hear this, they don't (can't) know the difference, they imagine that every third woman is being thrashed by their spouses (i.e. real domestic violence).

The same happened and is happening with rape. But surely you have nothing against protecting poor women, now do you? And remember, if you don't rape, you have nothing to worry about, do you now?

It would be interesting to do this little experiment: pick 10 random people. Mention rape to them and ask them do describe how they see a rape victim, if they try to imagine her/him. I would be willing to bet that close to none would say "I see a woman who was drunk and said yes, but her consent didn't really count, because she was too drunk".

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Drex

The basics of "rape" is this, if its truly forced sex, then there has to be some element of physical assualt involved hasn't there?

Not really. If someone puts a knife to somebody else's throat, there will be very little evidence of physical assault, but that does not mean that that person was not raped.

Of course, very true, but still, putting a knife to someones throat, has to involve a physical assualt of some kind hasn't it? You have to at least immobilise someone to do this..? The fact that there is no "evidence" is indeed the eternal problem in all matters of crime..

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And what is the big fuss about "rape"? Its usually just a vagina being used for what it was designed for, and the real issue is about some womans hurt feelings..

While there may be little physical damage, the feeling that somebody used your body in such a way with your explicit disapproval, must be terrible. Not to mention sometimes rapist does thrash his victims very seriously.

Real rape is horrible indeed. There is no doubt about that and I see no sense in trying to minimize it.

Sure, as you say,, REAL rape... but the feminasties are more interested in locking up men than in finding out the reality of what is happening.. or has happened.. As statistics have shown, more men are raped than women, often behind prison doors etc.. I supposed they have an idea what it feels like and no doubt its not good.. Odddly, more gay men complain about jail rape than hetro's!!

When you are talking about any assualt, especially serious ones, you have to recognise the reality of it..

But, in this day and age where many women are promiscious and take the rip out of men and inexperienced boys can be jailed for a long time on the basis of some womans stories and accounts..

Ask yourself, what is more serious, the broken arm and bruising sustained in the attack, or the "hurt feelings"?

When one starts to talk about the "emotional harm" etc and all that guff, we are really in no-mans land and to be honest, it seems that women reckon that hurt feelings are more painful than having limbs severed..

Sorry, dont buy it myself..

You feel bad that some guy dumped a load in you when you where off your head and kipping in his bed?

Right, it was a bad experience, learn from it..

Dust yourself off and get on with life, go find the bugger and shoot him if you feel the need, but what is to be gained by calling in the law and seeking to destroy some young fools life by crying rape and jailing him?





However, the issue is, as you point out

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As the rape laws stand, what man is not a rapist?

Basically anything today is classified as rape (as long as it's a man doing it to a woman). No wonder we have a "rape" epidemic on our hands.

It's really nothing new. The misandrists used the same tactic as they did with domestic violence. They had to inflate the numbers to legitimize their existence (careers, handouts, etc.) and so they just watered down the definition of domestic violence as much as possible - ergo, everything is domestic violence (even shouting and slamming doors). But at the same time, they were/are very well aware, that old notions about domestic violence in general public are still as strong as ever (i.e. DV = broken bones, knocked out teeth, etc.); so, of course, they then conveniently "forget" to mention these little details and just spread the "every third woman is a victim of domestic violence" lies instead. And when people hear this, they don't (can't) know the difference, they imagine that every third woman is being thrashed by their spouses (i.e. real domestic violence).

The same happened and is happening with rape. But surely you have nothing against protecting poor women, now do you? And remember, if you don't rape, you have nothing to worry about, do you now?

It would be interesting to do this little experiment: pick 10 random people. Mention rape to them and ask them do describe how they see a rape victim, if they try to imagine her/him. I would be willing to bet that close to none would say "I see a woman who was drunk and said yes, but her consent didn't really count, because she was too drunk".

Like the DV issue, no one says its a good thing that assualt of any kind occurs, but the problem is, the state cant treat the problem, its failing on all fronts, it can only be treated by those in the situation who can protect themselves, protect thieir friends, staying safe and be wary..

For men and women, the answer is not in persecuting each other, and certainly not in expecting the state to sort things out by passing dumb and ineffective laws that simply make the problem worse..

Common sense must prevail, boys will be boys, girls will be girls, no one is so dumb as to pretend that women should be free to walk down the street naked and not to expect men to react.. (no one, execpt the rad fems of course..)..

Mind you, the state of women these days, i would imagine that seeing them naked would be more likely to scare off any "rapists"..

"And if you dont, I will tell the police that you did.." Said the landwhale femi-nazi to the burglar she found stealing jewelry in her bedroom..