Women are just bloody filthy sex-crazed animals..

I get so mad with them at times I end up having to take my rod to them..

No surprise!

You know women are better liars than men!

Sometimes I think women have Satan beat when it comes to lying!

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No surprise!

You know women are better liars than men!

Sometimes I think women have Satan beat when it comes to lying!

well...god did have trouble with women too...........eve

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Women are just bloody filthy sex-crazed animals..

I get so mad with them at times I end up having to take my rod to them..

It's good that you didn't read what I was talking on chat about. lmao

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It's good that you didn't read what I was talking on chat about. lmao

Why is that my dear? But be gentle with me, my phallus erects at the slightest provocation and when that happens i cant help myself...

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Why is that my dear? But be gentle with me, my phallus erects at the slightest provocation and when that happens i cant help myself...

See, this is why it's good that you weren't in the chat. :P

Yeah -- this sort of thing makes me cringe every time I read about it. It was the sort of thing I didn't really know or appreciate until long after I was married. But, it is the truth. Women do lie -- it is the only way to explain the paternity discrepancy and the reports on infidelity that you see. As one of the commenters said on that article, it is absurd to think that there is 10% paternity discrepancy and only 15% cheating. How often does male infidelity result in a love child? And, the adulterous male doesn't even have remotely the same control over that that the adulterous female does.

This, to me, isn't just the elephant in the room, it is an entire herd of elephants in the room that no one talks about. No one talks about this and the fallout of it. And, people will not talk about the fact that fidelity is demonstrably far more important to men, in general, than it is to women. I really think that if young males really appreciated all this, they would never marry at all in their lives at rates like 90% or something. But, young males, being young and male, tend to go around "acting like they are invincible" as people often say. It's not that they think that they are invincible so much as that they do not think about how vulnerable they really are. They just don't even think about the issues that are going to matter in the long run. Who could? You can't know everything -- know if it even matters and then consider it at length. You have to rely on society and culture for that -- your upbringing and the status quo to get most of your actionable beliefs.

But, the fact is that if you are a typical married man, you just have to admit that you really don't know if your wife has had an affair. Indeed, unless your marriage is outrageously superlative, it would be ridiculous for you to act surprised if you found out that it turned out that she did. In most marriages it would be ridiculous to act surprised if you found out she had several. That is the reality. It is just simply that easy to pull off, especially for women, especially given how socially acceptable it is in modern society. Women today -- even normal, relatively modest housewives -- dress like strippers did a hundred years ago -- not even that modest. And, I don't even think twice about it, myself, so I doubt anyone else does. If anything, it would an outrage to ask your wife to wear a burka or something like that, so, seriously, even if it did bother you, you certainly couldn't do anything about it. And, who could let something like that bother them in this day and age? But, at the same time, all this sexual license is precisely the problem in diminishing what men ever got out of the entire social game of having a family. All of these little things are what accumulate into an outcome -- an outcome in which the typical husband has to just accept being cuckolded. Even if it turns out that he luckily is not, he certainly can't rest securely in such a belief, or at least not rationally.

I think if all young men came to that realization which is the sad truth of the matter that even most veteran husbands refuse to confront, you would see a real marriage strike. You wouldn't just see men act a little reluctant to get married. You would see generations of men refuse to ever get married under any circumstances. You would, of course, probably see society and gender relations dramatically change before that happened, though, which just underscores the fraud of it all. I suppose I could go on and on about how unavoidable this outcome really is and how bad it is -- how everything else that we see and talk about barely holds a candle to how prolificly and deeply this reality injures modern man. But, who really wants to do that....

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well...god did have trouble with women too...........eve

Not just eve but Jezebel, she was rotten to the core!
It too bad she met her demise when she got eaten alive!

Adrian, the way a woman dresses isn't really relevant. I mean, I could wear a burka and cheat on my husband or I could wear a bikini and not do it. If my husband would expect me to dress in a certain way, I'll expect him to dress how I want to then. The problem with all this cheating isn't how women dress, but how people don't grow the fuck up. This is the real problem of society. And how ideology keeps them acting like brainwashed little kids.

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Adrian, the way a woman dresses isn't really relevant. I mean, I could wear a burka and cheat on my husband or I could wear a bikini and not do it. If my husband would expect me to dress in a certain way, I'll expect him to dress how I want to then. The problem with all this cheating isn't how women dress, but how people don't grow the fuck up. This is the real problem of society. And how ideology keeps them acting like brainwashed little kids.

I feel I should tread lightly on this topic. Let me preface what I am about to say with the fact that love isn't everything. I also think that any given individual really tends to have to conform to prevailing social norms. It is foolish and self destructive not to. So, with that said, then, yes modesty is part and parcel with chastity. The former is not only highly correlated with the latter, it is, in itself, part of the value a person receives from the exclusive relationship they have with someone. Most of the time, a little immodesty is just that: a little thing, but no, it is not true that strippers are just as good of marriage material as everyone else because they are just immodest and not necessarily unchaste. Immodesty is unchaste -- just not as extreme as actual intercourse. That's all. And, I'm sorry but, no, some relationship where the wife flirts with a coworker while the husband flirts with the waitress simply isn't as "special" as the "Prussian Soldier" and his dutiful wife who are impeccably chaste and modest. Maybe that extra specialness isn't worth anything -- I don't know, but let's not lie about who has the better relationship. (I'll await any psychobabble retorts from the broader audience that might be reading this before I elaborate any further on that.)

Also, the main point was that it is the accumulation of little things that results in infidelity at all let alone an entire culture of widespread infidelity. Sure, I suppose it is conceivable that you have lots of modesty without much chastity. But, we all know that isn't how it really works out. It starts with immodesty. It starts with all your girlfriends urging you to have a girls' night out... "And, wear that little black dress! You'll have all the guys staring at you!" (My wife does not own a little black dress, btw, in case someone wants to start psychoanalyzing me, here.) And then, of course, a little harmless flirting never hurt anyone, especially if no one has to know. And, I am sure you can take it from there. The point is that in a world where you are expected not to even go out in your little black dress like that to begin with because you'll be socially ostracized by all your friends if you do, it is a lot harder for infidelity to even happen at all. You don't even have to get to the point of it having to be socially acceptable for you to flirt like that in front of your friends. You don't even get to the point of there being an instant support group of both interloping men and "empowered" women condemning your husband without even knowing him and supporting your right -- nay, duty! -- to have an affair. In modern society, we are well beyond even this. I saw an article about a woman that duped a man into raising someone else's daughter. Half the comments rebuked the cuckold for falling out of touch with the daughter, and that was all they had to say on the matter. At least one commenter remarked that the wife was emotionally abused and empathized with her.

That's the world we live in and it didn't just one day start being like that. It started impeccably chaste and modest, like the Prussian soldier and his wife. Back then, love might have been possible. But, the way we got from there to here was a gradual and incremental erosion of the norms that promote that. It started with the infinitude of little things like modesty. It was never very alarming. It was always imminently socially acceptable. You rarely have choices in life that allow you to calibrate in or out the slightest little detail just to your liking, especially with regard to the big stuff. You are lucky if you really even get a choice, but when you do it is usually a package deal: you can either be the Prussian Soldier or the modern metrosexual. You don't get to pick and choose. Today, you don't really get to pick at all -- not as a man or a woman. I'm not sure anyone ever got to pick on stuff that big. You just get what society gives you or you go live on Mars maybe....

Adrian, there's a difference in between promoting dishonesty and promoting modesty. And both have to be enforced socially on both genders. For example, modesty was enforced just on women, while now dishonesty is allowed only for women. They're both skewed stuff.

Will we ever get to a point where it is men have an equal amount of affairs, have an equal amount of partners, are as good at hiding affairs, are given alimony 50% of the time and hide money from their wives as often as vice versa? MM2

Why would anyone want men to be 'equal' in this regard?

We are talking of weak people given to lying, decieving and betraying.

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Will we ever get to a point where it is men have an equal amount of affairs, have an equal amount of partners, are as good at hiding affairs, are given alimony 50% of the time and hide money from their wives as often as vice versa? MM2

Why would anyone want men to be 'equal' in this regard?

We are talking of weak people given to lying, decieving and betraying.

Excellent point.

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Adrian, there's a difference in between promoting dishonesty and promoting modesty. And both have to be enforced socially on both genders. For example, modesty was enforced just on women, while now dishonesty is allowed only for women. They're both skewed stuff.

Modesty was enforced on men, too. Right -- both genders would have to be modest and chaste. Things like modesty and chastity are far more meaningful in a woman than a man, though, because men pursue women and not the other way around. However, it had always been true that immodesty "exists" for men, too. I don't know why modesty was just enforced on women.