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That's why "anti-prostitution feminist" is actually a total oxymoron.

Most American feminists are anti-prostitution feminists. This is because the way American women suck men's money is by marrying them and then getting alimony and child support. Since American women are such repulsive people, the only way they can force men to marry them is by withholding all other access to sex and forming a sexual monopoly. Prostitutes break this monopoly and so American women hate prostitutes. If prostitution were tolerated in America, no American woman would be able to get a husband.

This situation is different in Europe where women suck men's money mostly through the government via taxes. This is actually less harmful to men than the American system. In such a system, women have no reason to hate prostitutes, which is why the Swedish system only attacks the men.

Also MRN, why didn't you respond to my previous post:

Podcast on Prostitution

Most American feminists are anti-prostitution feminists. This is because the way American women suck men's money is by marrying them and then getting alimony and child support.

No actually most American feminists want the option of both. Wealth extraction from males via prostitution, or from marriage and child support. There is no mutual exclusivity, and we all know feminists like to retain all possible options.

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I'm not sure the average brain is set to the "correct" level. Something tells me that the modern environment causes too low dopamine levels in most people. Drugs aren't the answer, as you explained. Better is to take dopamine precursors like L-phenylalanine (along with a multi-B and C, needed as co-enzymes). This has no "down" aftereffect, in fact the opposite. I take 500 mg of L-phenylalanine very occasionally when I feel lethargic and it snaps me out of it.

Yes, the marching powder that built the Western world before it was banned does not seem to be appropriate now that folk want to live beyond the age of 40..

That idea sounds interesting, they some some of those amino acid things?

I got some arginine tablets many years ago, some sort of amino acid that promotes body building, and it strangely had a warning on it "not for children or schizophrenia sufferers"..

Sure enough, it gave me very vivid dreams!

Excercise raises the pleasure hormones, but it also makes one calmer, which is a double win!

I used to train and bike ride all the time, gets a bit silly after while doing that most of the day..

Then again, what do I do now?

Life is just meaningless pleasure and happiness, pretty sad really!

you might pay a lot
you might pay a little
but you are going to pay
you might pay now, you might pay later
but you'll pay
do without
you still pay

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I accept your argument to a point, Haahoo.

The point is that they don't ALWAYS claim that prostitutes are victims, and when they don't do that, they claim they are empowered "fighting old Patriarchal ethics", and generally being feminists.

Increasingly, this is the position that feminists hold.

Maybe its just the wording that sounds wrong, feminists, I always say, work on the standard that accepts NO female wrong doing, ALWAYS victimhood, totall irresponsibility of women..

In a way, that in itself is extremely demeaning towards women!!

So, the control freakery can be seen to bite the women, in a way, more subtley than it does men!!

They have the ability to argue both sides of the same coin at the same time..

When a woman wants to be whore, they allow it.. It "empowers them" (to get money off and criminalise men no doubt! Ever heard how ex-whores who cant pull the punters or progress to "madam" slag off the same punters they previously were so kind and caring of?) - But at the same time "shes a victim".. Because, in the twisted minds of the feminists it is easy for a woman to be "empowered" and a "victim of men" at the same time!!

Yeah, well, we can all say that eh?

Im very empowered, I can do things with my time and have more freedom than most folk would dream of, yet, at the same time im a "victim" of having a warped mind!!

Which suits today?

Thats how the feminists play it, ready to use that victim pass one day, power pass the next!

Feminists don't like men having sex with women in ways that are not controlled BY THE FEMINISTS to always primarily benefit women, and cost men.. Cash, or freedom!

The gender war, is truly a "sex war", the eternal battle, "who controls sexual consent? Man, or woman?"..

Its not as if "the patriarchy" does not generally give women this right of veto in its own systems!! Via marraige vows, rape laws etc..

Prostitution is one of the myriad of issues where feminism holds contradictory viewpoints. In the feminist view, a woman doing what she wants with her body, especially where such behavior has been considered morally or socially unacceptable, is the height of empowerment. What they loathe about prostitution is the possibility of men benefitting from it.

Unlike abortion where they are able to glory in their "empowerment" of women at the expense of men, prostitution is a situation that satisfies the desires of both individuals....the woman seeking money and the man seeking sex.

A perfect world for feminists would be one where women could sell their bodies free from any form of judgement but where men were unable to enjoy their prostitution.

Feminists call female prostitutes victims because, while they support their choices to sell their bodies, ultimately, they view all heterosexual sex as rape. While prostitutes are considered the epitome of empowered women, they are still being victimized by men simply because, in the feminist mind, any woman doing anything to please or satisfy men, even if she's being paid for it, is a victim.

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All of these so-called "anti-prostitution" feminists you hear of - that their end position. They just want to criminalise and persecute men. They have nothing against prostitutes, nothing against prostitution per se, they just want it to be another means of persecuting the male population.

They don't like prostitution, for the simple reason that they see it as being a way that men can get more sex, which they are determined to restrict and have control of.. Of course, they may have no objection at all to PROS, but many pros definately dont like to be told that what theyare doing is wrong by these anti-sex feminists.. The pros would claim theyare the REAL feminist voice of course! But that would be in competition with the anti sexers!

That's why "anti-prostitution feminist" is actually a total oxymoron.

They dont like the idea of men getting sex so easy, They want to up the price to monopoly levels..

I can see though,. that the "pro-pro" feminists are in some way winning the day, but they are doing this by moving the business into the MAINSTREAM in a subtle way, the femistandard way..

There are A LOT OF SLUTS around these days, and their "fee" is much higher than mere cash (you have to grovel and be "attentive")..

Their quality is also much lower than the professional tradeswoman..

They are niether good whores nor fit to be wives..

Yukky!!

It's interesting actually that the above position evolves into the current "empowered whore" scenario.

In making the prostitute the "blameless victim", we reach a position where nothing bad can be said about her; and she is actually legitimised.

She as a person is, but NOT the business she is in! Perverse feminist hypocrisy of the genuine full blooded type!!

They say something is "wrong" because it victimises them, yet they willingly continue to do it!

Perhaps the real goal behind the so-called "Swedish laws" is to take all legal restriction against the prostitute away. Which is actually pro-prostitute, as I said.

No, the link shows why it works..

Most punters are an average age of 30, and respectable, non-law breakers..

This type of man is always going to be very wary of breaking any laws, what it will do though, is up the price, and force him to seek business in "controlled" (by the feminists) environments.. (Brothels, which in my view are completely rubbish!! THIS IS TRUE PRESSURE AND CONTROL OF WOMEN! Whoring should be a 1 to 1 deal, punter and whore, no co-ercion or pimping etc.. Fresh of the streets!!)


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When feminists claim "ALL prostitutes" to be victims; it's nothing more than rhetoric and theatrics really.

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Yes, but that does not stop them doing it!!

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Prostitution is one of the myriad of issues where feminism holds contradictory viewpoints. In the feminist view, a woman doing what she wants with her body, especially where such behavior has been considered morally or socially unacceptable, is the height of empowerment. What they loathe about prostitution is the possibility of men benefitting from it.

Unlike abortion where they are able to glory in their "empowerment" of women at the expense of men, prostitution is a situation that satisfies the desires of both individuals....the woman seeking money and the man seeking sex.

A perfect world for feminists would be one where women could sell their bodies free from any form of judgement but where men were unable to enjoy their prostitution.

Feminists call female prostitutes victims because, while they support their choices to sell their bodies, ultimately, they view all heterosexual sex as rape. While prostitutes are considered the epitome of empowered women, they are still being victimized by men simply because, in the feminist mind, any woman doing anything to please or satisfy men, even if she's being paid for it, is a victim.

You have a great skill in saying exactly what I also think, using the correct words and simple english! I wish I could do that!!

My attitiude towards prostitution is simple..

Dont engage in it!! It is not worth it!! No good will come of it and you will be wasting time and money!! Destract yourself from it!!

Same can be said for alcohol, drugs, and all the other "pleasures" of life..

Now, when I get round to taking my own advice..

(actually, I gave em up 16 years ago!)..

If you HAVE to...

Be bloody careful what you are doing then!!

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You have a great skill in saying exactly what I also think, using the correct words and simple english! I wish I could do that!!

Thanks, Haahoo.

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*sigh*

I encourage you two to use the ignore function on each other again. If this thread turns into another "I don´t like you" exchange it will be closed.

Back to topic please!

lol, well, I have to remind him each time he calls me a feminist. :P

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lol, well, I have to remind him each time he calls me a feminist. :P

Dont worry about labels, unless you truly think you fit in to the feminist mould in all regards!

Your anti-state stance is far more valuable !

I dont see how one can be a feminist and an anti-statist!!

That would be like wanting to walk down the street naked without a few burly bodyguards!!

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Dont worry about labels, unless you truly think you fit in to the feminist mould in all regards!

Your anti-state stance is far more valuable !

I dont see how one can be a feminist and an anti-statist!!

That would be like wanting to walk down the street naked without a few burly bodyguards!!

Or a feminist that is for each keeping what they bring and earn in a marriage, against the way alimony is now, which is ridiculous, against kicking fathers out of the lives of kids, against the rape laws relying only on her testimony, for putting lying women in jail for perjury, against affirmative action, women only scholarships, maternity leave, sexual harassment shit in the workplace being so poorly done, women studies classes and all that crap. lol

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Or a feminist that is for each keeping what they bring and earn in a marriage, against the way alimony is now, which is ridiculous, against kicking fathers out of the lives of kids, against the rape laws relying only on her testimony, for putting lying women in jail for perjury, against affirmative action, women only scholarships, maternity leave, sexual harassment shit in the workplace being so poorly done, women studies classes and all that crap. lol

Seems if a woman on here has at least one suspected feminist tendancy, then that is enough to slap the label on!!

The only feminist quality I see you having is a desire to be in control of your own sexuality etc..

And thats not REALLY a "feminist" thing in my view, it is something, like abortion rights, that the feminists have GRABBED hold of..

We have to know how to differentiate between what looks like recieved dogma and what is truly independant thinking..

Independance and self-determination is not a bad thing, when one can handle it, it is a hard way of going through life, especially for a woman, which is probably why most "feminists" latch onto the state meanies..

You don't do that, so your independance will be put to the test in the future!

Dont worry about the labeling, name calling is just words, part of the cunt and thrush of debate and all that!!

As long as you talk sense 50% of the time, you will be doing at least as well as most others here!!

I tend to think If i get 1% sense and relevance in my brain dumps I am doing well!

1% diamonds and 99% dogshit!

I spend more time treading in my own than most other folk put up here combined!!

Charge of feminist infiltration dismissed! By order of Judge Drex!!

I dont think I will change my mind in a few days, but, I am sure if I do you will tell me!!