Feminists have effectively moved in two directions when it comes to sexual matters.

1. They have promoted the view that women must have complete freedom sexually and not be limited by men.. This means that they are being encouraged to behave like sluts..

2. They have promoted the view that male sexual desire is an evil force that oppresses women and all attempts must be made to criminalise as much of it as is possible..

The net result can be predictably seen to be..

1. All sex must be under the full control of women, men have no say, women have all the power..

2. Lesbianism will be the only sexual activity that feminists thoroughly approve of..

From the mans position, his only power is to say "no" or to make himself available in the same way a walking dildo would, pander to all female caprice, and even then, he is risking a rape charge if madam changes her mind about consenting to sex AFTER it has occurred!!

From societies point of view, the obvious aims of feminists will be impossible to enforce, because they go against nature very severly and there are not enough police officers and lawyers and jails to sort it all out..

Its all bullshit.

having said that, sex always was one of the riskiest activities a man could get himself involved in..

Looking at it from another position, womens sexuality has always been controlled..

First, men (the patriarchy) controlled it very much, but this was argueably good for women as it enabled them to remain in relationships that lasted long enough for them to raise kids under..

Now, women have taken control of it, but it seems to benefit no one because women have as much control of their own sexuality as a camel has over a wanking hippo.. The results can be seen..

Under the old rules, men where as a byproduct also severely restricted, but access to prostitutes was usually possible..

Under the new rules, men are less restricted, but perhaps they are not as keen as they used to be to engage under the terms of women..

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First, men (the patriarchy) controlled it very much, but this was argueably good for women as it enabled them to remain in relationships that lasted long enough for them to raise kids under..

Yes, but you should never underestimate the psychological/sexual power of a beautiful woman since time immemorial!

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Really, even in current feminist society?

The male sexual urge can be satisfied in half an hour, then he is likely to take some time off before seeking to indulge again..
Women, however, need mens labour and work to provide for them 24/7..

Arguable as to whether it goes against core female sexual nature.

Looking at what can be seen on the ground, women want a full-time "attentive" partner who does all they want, they are not in the main anything like as promiscuious as men. From what I have seen, sluttery is NOT the aim of most women, it is a side effect of being dumped so many times and their unrealistic expectations..

Yes, but really because sexual attraction is such a strong force the only way to stop this is to ban prostitution and pornography. Then watch Matriarchy dissolve! Mass availability of these two feminine "services" automatically means mass consumption. It's the ultimate business model.

The demand creates the supply. Restrict the supply and the demand will simply increase..

Now we have free porn and effectively, free pussy.. (you pay prostitutes to go away more than for the sex!)..

The reason that the matriachy try and restrict porn and prostitution so much is that they want to keep the monopoly on sex..

Like the local council that paints yellow lines alll over the roads to force folk to park their cars in expensive council run car parks, the matriachs are trying to force men into dealing with the hogs by denying alternatives..

Many leglislations work as direct barriers or incentives to certain behaviours. Other social pressures also come into play..

For example, given the choice, most men would opt for a nice young woman, but, the feminists like to remove that option for men as much as possible and try and press them onto the dogs..

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Yes, but you should never underestimate the psychological/sexual power of a beautiful woman since time immemorial!

That, is indeed a force no man can resist!!

Good discussion. I have a rather long response to it, which I will do in its own, new, thread.

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Good discussion. I have a rather long response to it, which I will do in its own, new, thread.

Can you put a link to it in this thread? I can't stop by every day so would like to see it when I can.

Why the hypersex culture is bad for men

Looking at what can be seen on the ground, women want a full-time "attentive" partner who does all they want, they are not in the main anything like as promiscuious as men.

This is incorrect and goes against women's biological/evolutionary instincts. Females are more promiscuous than males right throughout Nature.

The demand creates the supply. Restrict the supply and the demand will simply increase..

That's what the feminist argue, but with pornography/prostitution, it simply isn't the case.

Now we have free porn and effectively, free pussy.. (you pay prostitutes to go away more than for the sex!)..

Free pussy? No way. Prostitutes have to be paid for, very hansomely. You are the subordinate as a man paying a woman for sex.

But back in the '50s it was possible to find a woman and get married. Today, hundreds of thousands of men are on their own or in very short term relationships. To an extent porn/prostitution have replaced the marital bed for many men. If you suddenly take away what replaced the marital bed, what will you replace it with? Women aren't suddenly going to change.

Maybe not immediately, but eventually they will.

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This is incorrect and goes against women's biological/evolutionary instincts. Females are more promiscuous than males right throughout Nature.

Eh? How do you work that out?

Ever seen a woman struggling to find a bloke who will fuck her?

Then, try looking for a man who has an easy job getting axe wound!!

That's what the feminist argue, but with pornography/prostitution, it simply isn't the case.

I really meant to say the PRICE will increase, it is the feminists more than anything that are trying to restrict access to porn and whores.

Mind you, sex is not an "essential" and when one is not thinking of it, it does not matter!

Free pussy? No way. Prostitutes have to be paid for, very hansomely. You are the subordinate as a man paying a woman for sex.

Prossies can be cheap if you dont go through the exploitative outlets, free pussy comes from the women who put it out all over the place in exchange for a bit of attention..

But back in the '50s it was possible to find a woman and get married. Today, hundreds of thousands of men are on their own or in very short term relationships. To an extent porn/prostitution have replaced the marital bed for many men. If you suddenly take away what replaced the marital bed, what will you replace it with? Women aren't suddenly going to change.

Maybe not immediately, but eventually they will.

A man can get married now if he wants to, but why would he?

Remove a mans pleasures and the men are forced to comply with womens needs.

Lets face it, a man can, when he is pissed off with the harriden, decide to have a wank over porn instead..

If he cant do that, he is forced to concede to her because thats his only outlet for getting axewound into focus!

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Maybe not immediately, but eventually they will.

That could take a couple of generations. In the meantime we would have to put up with possibly dire consequences. Ever seen a group of sexually frustrated men after a few beers on a Saturday night? Quite scary.

BTW, Harriet Harman, one of the arch-feminists of Nu Labour, wants to ban prostitution and limit pornography.

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Mind you, sex is not an "essential" and when one is not thinking of it, it does not matter!

Speak for yourself mate, my knob's got a mind of its own...

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Eh? How do you work that out?

Ever seen a woman struggling to find a bloke who will fuck her?

Then, try looking for a man who has an easy job getting axe wound!!

This is definitely true under our prior system (a system which still currently has a lot of influence, but which also appears to be waning), which informally enforces sexual monogamy (even if that "rule" is often observed in the breaking of it). In a monogamous system, it is not very advantageous for a woman to behave promiscuously, because her goal is to attract and retain a monogamous mate with alpha genes - something that is harder to do if she is behaving promiscuously due to still existing negativity relating to female promiscuity which gives rise to fears among potential male mates that the female may continue to be promiscuous after mating with him -- the whole cuckolding issue you raise in the other thread.

If things were to develop in such a way that non-monogamy became more normative, there would be fewer incentives for women to not be promiscuous in general --> if the alphas are not tied down to one woman, it's advantageous for every woman to try to get their genes, and that means some degree of promiscuity will be involved.

It's hard to imagine, living in the system we do, because it seems so ingrained. But a lot of things are changing, rather quickly right now, and it's quite possible that relational models and child rearing models that become predominant in 30-50 years would be quite shocking and surprising from the perspective of today -- again, basing on current trending. I don't *know* that this will happen --- but I do think that it is at least possible given what is happening today.

I really meant to say the PRICE will increase, it is the feminists more than anything that are trying to restrict access to porn and whores.

Yes, there's definitely that debate within feminism -- between feminists who want to restrict sexuality and those who do not. To be honest I think that the latter understand female power much better than the former do.

Remove a mans pleasures and the men are forced to comply with womens needs.

Lets face it, a man can, when he is pissed off with the harriden, decide to have a wank over porn instead..

If he cant do that, he is forced to concede to her because thats his only outlet for getting axewound into focus!

Yes, but if you create a situation where every man has sex on the brain due to porn and other sexual images bombarding us 24/7, this actually strengthens the sexual power of the women in their lives over them as well. You would think that it would do the reverse, because the man can always jack off to porn, and therefore doesn't "need her sex" as much. But you and I both know that most men prefer the real thing to jacking off (leaving aside studies that suggest that another problem coming along is that many men who jack off to porn too much start getting sexual function problems because their sexual response becomes too heavily tied into both the images *and* the sensations they get when jacking off, rather than the typical sensations of sex) -- and so, again, if it's true that free access to all-you-can-eat porn has heightened the intensity of the male libido by sexualizing him (as I think is the case), that will still increase the sexual power of the women around him over him, because he'll have sex on the brain even more than he would without the porn being available.

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Speak for yourself mate, my knob's got a mind of its own...

Ah yes, but mine usually rises out of arrogance when I am least able to do anything about it, like, when I wake up and am too tired to choke the beast down!

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This is definitely true under our prior system (a system which still currently has a lot of influence, but which also appears to be waning), which informally enforces sexual monogamy (even if that "rule" is often observed in the breaking of it). In a monogamous system, it is not very advantageous for a woman to behave promiscuously, because her goal is to attract and retain a monogamous mate with alpha genes - something that is harder to do if she is behaving promiscuously due to still existing negativity relating to female promiscuity which gives rise to fears among potential male mates that the female may continue to be promiscuous after mating with him -- the whole cuckolding issue you raise in the other thread.

Yes, women are indeed getting dirtier, but much of this could be because, relatively, men are getting LESS interested in them, I suggest that porn is what makes them less interested, now, women are having to put it out more..

If things were to develop in such a way that non-monogamy became more normative, there would be fewer incentives for women to not be promiscuous in general --> if the alphas are not tied down to one woman, it's advantageous for every woman to try to get their genes, and that means some degree of promiscuity will be involved.

Yes, but there is always going to be those folk who just find it too "dirty and cheap" and these folk will usually (because they are more focused on other more productive things) not be swilling round the bottom of the barrel so much.. Hence, they will be more respected?

It's hard to imagine, living in the system we do, because it seems so ingrained. But a lot of things are changing, rather quickly right now, and it's quite possible that relational models and child rearing models that become predominant in 30-50 years would be quite shocking and surprising from the perspective of today -- again, basing on current trending. I don't *know* that this will happen --- but I do think that it is at least possible given what is happening today.

Yes, it is, but it would demand an even more hugely invasive system of state control, nature seems to have a "jealousy" gene that is imensely strong at times, also highly dangerous!

Yes, there's definitely that debate within feminism -- between feminists who want to restrict sexuality and those who do not. To be honest I think that the latter understand female power much better than the former do.

They do, but that is probably because they have it! The feminists who want to restrict sex are just losers or lesbos!

Yes, but if you create a situation where every man has sex on the brain due to porn and other sexual images bombarding us 24/7, this actually strengthens the sexual power of the women in their lives over them as well. You would think that it would do the reverse, because the man can always jack off to porn, and therefore doesn't "need her sex" as much. But you and I both know that most men prefer the real thing to jacking off (leaving aside studies that suggest that another problem coming along is that many men who jack off to porn too much start getting sexual function problems because their sexual response becomes too heavily tied into both the images *and* the sensations they get when jacking off, rather than the typical sensations of sex) -- and so, again, if it's true that free access to all-you-can-eat porn has heightened the intensity of the male libido by sexualizing him (as I think is the case), that will still increase the sexual power of the women around him over him, because he'll have sex on the brain even more than he would without the porn being available.

I have done an interesting experiment on this (its called my life!) and I understand the phenonema you speak of, but, its not really noticeable to me, but mates of mine used to come to my house and say "I used to wonder why you were so over sexed, now I understand it, you have 600 rat mags scattered round your house and anyone who comes here will have a permanent woody on!"

Now, being a massive over-indulger in the past (to the levels of clinical intervention under the mental health act!), I remember when I used to buy porn a lot from the newsagent and it was my daily routine..

(this over-wanking was in fact HIGHER when I was married, because I used to have a massive craving for fresh flange on a regular basis, like, every few hours!)

Eventually, one becomes desensitised to it, so it sorta stops working so much, like the male strippers who dont find it a turn on to have 20 randy drunken women suck them off..

But, one wierd thing about the times when one is desensitised, one develops a strange aggression instead, sex becomes a thing of interest when their is agression involved, which led me towards the feminazi types because I always knew that aggressive violent women love nothing better than to have their legs pinned behind their heads and to be split in two..

The power of women is definately not increased by men accessing porn, in my experiemce, because the access to porn is under male control.. Not female..

Females can deny a man of porn, but they cant FORCE a man to indulge..

Also, much as i (sometimes) enjoy hiding the toad in the feminine hole, I have to say, for top quality 10 hour "edging" and earth shatterring orgasms, their is absolutely nothing that can compete with the sexual act par excellence..

Mastabacion... Sport of kings, and king of sports!!