Not all liberals are "for" abortion, or would obtain abortions themselves. It is possible to be liberal and be pro-life in one's personal life, and pro-choice politically. How do I know this? Because I am liberal in many of my views, yet when faced with difficult choices regarding pregnancy, I chose life. Yet, I would not vote against abortion because I believe that women should have some say in what happens to their bodies. There are some circumstances that I believe warrant having that choice, even if I, myself, could not undergo an abortion even if it meant that having the baby would cost me my own life. I am not willing to dictate to others that they must believe the same way (and choose the same thing) I would choose.

...Further, do not try and tell me that there are no self-proclaimed conservatives who have had an abortion themselves.

I think the question confuses liberals with Democrats.

As a classical liberal at heart I take umbrage to this, as I am not a socialist.

...anyway... I believe in having the legal OPTION of getting an abortion, since obviously there is a large concensus of people who wish to have this option, and it is not my business to tell them theirs. And I have trouble condemning women for terminating a pregnancy when it has been occuring since before the Enlightenment, in the form of semi toxic brews and teas that caused miscarriage. I DO believe, that abortion is abused in today's society. I will say that it should only occur in the case of rape or incest, or if the child's being born at that particular time would doom it and it's family to a life of poverty and misery.

I agree...I think having the option means that there will be those who choose to abuse it...for example, those who use abortion as a continuous method of birth control, or those who use abortion as a means to get back at, say, a cheating partner. Wherever there is a choice in life, there is a potential for abuse of that choice. It's inevitable. Does that mean that we should have no choices whatsoever? Must we assume that every person who makes a choice is abusing it somehow?

I know this is a passionate subject, and rightly so. People are going to be strongly divided over this one. There's no way around that. All we can do, really, is live with the decisions that we make. In the end, we can't control what others do, we can only control the choices we make for ourselves, and in the case of abortion, it would be ideal if both parties involved (man and woman) could agree on the final decision together. But again, this is an ideal, not always going to be a reality.

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The poster missed the opportunity to express how liberals don't value babies born with a penis.

I take offense to that, Billy. I am liberal in many ways, I have a son, and I love him more than words can express.

It's not liberals who send men into war. It's conservatives.

It's not liberals who have put thousands of non-violent men into prison for nothing more than exercising their civil righ to decide with which drugs the will allow themselves to be medicated.

Who really values male life?

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It's not liberals who send men into war. It's conservatives.

It's not liberals who have put thousands of non-violent men into prison for nothing more than exercising their civil righ to decide with which drugs the will allow themselves to be medicated.

Who really values male life?

Of course one must take into account that the overwhelming majority of feminists are liberals........

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It's not liberals who send men into war. It's conservatives.

It's not liberals who have put thousands of non-violent men into prison for nothing more than exercising their civil righ to decide with which drugs the will allow themselves to be medicated.

Who really values male life?

Muay_Thai is right. I work in the addiction field, and I am politically active with drug reform. It is the liberals who are trying to undo the mess the conservatives have created when it comes to laws pertaining to drugs. Two thirds of our prisons/jails are filled with (gasp) non-violent criminals who's only crime is that they used illegal substances. And it is liberals who want to bring our men home from the Middle East ...who never wanted to risk putting them there in the first place.

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It's not liberals who send men into war. It's conservatives.

Right, conservatives like Woodrow Wilson (WWI), Franklin Roosevelt (WWII), Harry Truman (Korea), Lyndon Johnson (Vietnam)...

In 1937 the F.D. Roosevelt administration crafted 1937 Marihuana Tax Act the first national US law making cannabis possession illegal in the US via an unpayable tax on the drug.
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Though I believe it was Woodrow Wilson (a democrat) who was responsible for the 18th amendment (and the Volstead Act), according to Wiki,

"The Democratic party endorsed prohibition repeal in 1932, and its sweeping November victory brought quick congressional action."

Confusing, isn't it.

Once again confusing liberal with Democrat. No major political party represents true liberalism. When has socialism and big government ever increased someone's liberty?

Oh, and everything Woodrow Wilson was has now been taken on by Republicans, Roosevelt reacted to an ACTUAL ATTACK ON AMERICANS BY A FOREIGN POWER, and Vietnam was set into motion by Eisenhower and his "consultants"

As for the Marajuana tax, like I said before, Nanny Statism and socialism are not liberal concepts.

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Though I believe it was Woodrow Wilson (a democrat) who was responsible for the 18th amendment (and the Volstead Act), according to Wiki,

"The Democratic party endorsed prohibition repeal in 1932, and its sweeping November victory brought quick congressional action."

Confusing, isn't it.

Yes, and Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency

Will you guys stop demonizing conservatives, it sounds like bigotry

I think that conservatives (the Republlicans mostly) have the majority of good points on morality in our society. I also think the PC movment is bullshit.

Democrats are usually correct on human and civil rights. At least MORE correct.

Both are actively trying to increase the level of government intrusivness in our lives to an unbearable and Orewellian level.

Why should I not demonize political demons? If it quacks like a duck.....

"Will you guys stop demonizing conservatives, it sounds like bigotry " Trying to censor the hatespeech, Tom? How PC.