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My dilemma with Kim

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    My dilemma with Kim


    I just don't know how low I can go sometimes. My own stubbornness shows the nasty side of me and the only person I have to fix it is myself.

    I left this message on Kim's site.

    Hi Kim, I need to fix something about myself that is making me attack you. I am disliking myself very much for it at the moment. How much I deserve you to say something hard back.

    The one thing that I should be putting above everything with you is the fact you get out there and do something about the problems. How rare that is!

    And then you write about issues on your blog and support others by commenting on theirs. You are a wonderful woman.

    I try hard to put my finger on the problem. Why am I even caring what you comment or write in the first place? You are entitled to your opinion and your life experiences just as I am.

    I think there are so many factors that make a big difference in the countries we live. And I think having a few feminist friends who are the greatest women helping others doesn't help the situation. I mean, if we shot all our feminists tomorrow our societies would fall apart as they have without the men.

    And the other thing is that their are very few men in the NZ MRM who are actual anti feminists. The only ones I know of have left the country.

    Anyhow, I would like to come on each day and give some praise so that I snap out of the differences and look for the similarities.

    What a horrible woman I am being by putting down someone who gives her all for her family and then gives her hand out to help others where she can.

    It is so impossible for me to dislike you. Shame on me in God's eyes even.

    You don't need to say anything back. You can just give it time to see me get over my issue. It is MY issue.
    July 13, 2008 2:39 AM
    I have been in turmoil trying to cope with liking 2 different types of females because I can see the good in both. It has not just affected me in the virtual world but also in the real world.

    But you are just about to fall of your seat to what the outcome has been.

    I tried to say to feminists that I have changed. They were pleased but then the differences showed again. But not before I was asked, "What does your group think about this issue. What are you discussing over it".

    In NZ they think we are organised and that we are up to their play. Of course we are not discussing it. We are not really that organised.

    But this bit has stunned me. After 2 years of nicely arguing, (OK, there is little nice in these arguments, only respect holds the threads together) I have a major door.

    They are not going to be feminists any more. Just females.

    OMG, could you imagine what a big deal that is. But I have stood my ground loudly that I cannot take sides on this. This war is stupid.

    And how the hell do you make a woman like Kim an enemy?

    Not one of you here can imagine what an opportunity this is. Now they are open to information. They don't know half or even a third of what the men's side is saying.

    Now I must collect information and give it to them. But not all at once.

    I think the no.1 thing that men have the most together is the false rape complaints. And that is what I am taking in.

    Kim, you stuck to your guns just simply by your behaviour. God bless you.

    Yes, yes, yes. I wanted to quit AGAIN. I want to quit every second. But I can't now.

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    Question Re: My dilemma with Kim

    What?

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    Re: My dilemma with Kim

    By the way, I don't mean a major door to a little feminist nor a medium feminist. I mean a door to the top. And to the private funders.

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    Quote Quote from joeblow View Post
    What?
    umm?

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    You hit all over the issues but left us in the dark once again. What 2 types ? Why would you make Kim an enemy? The only thing I hate about her is that there aren't more like her and you know that...
    Look inside Jules and see if you see green.

    Maybe it's because you are used to women kicking at us and any female who doesn't appears weak to you?

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    Billy, I should never have got involved in this. But I did.

    I am also closing down our single parent group. The politics between the sexes is bullshit.

    I couldn't care less if I am green inside. I set out to give you a voice and I have achieved far more than voice. Voice is what I wanted from the beginning. The goal is ticked.

    You sit behind your computer reading through my comments and posts. Yet you have no idea what your side is like any more than the other side. And I am not going to tell you.

    You and your men friends grew up with women that out did you. And they did it deviously.

    That is not the case with my generation. And I won't allow my children to think their mother did not work hard for everything she got nor all that she achieved because of my sex.

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    Hi Julie. I read your comments on my blog, and I'm not mad at you, I just didn't have time to respond when I initially read this thread. I've been gone for the last 4 days with no internet or cell phone and recieved an important call right after I logged on here so I had to log right back off.

    That said, you have not offended or angered me. I wish things weren't so confusing for you. If I may be so bold, I don't think you are entirely sure of your own convictions, so you find yourself easily swayed when in the presence of convincing arguements or great conviction.

    You don't have to necessarily look at it as men vs. women or feminists vs. antifeminists. I happen to see it as a battle of right vs. wrong; a fight to counter the lack of basic values and morality that's decaying our society. If everyone would embrace essential values like honesty, kindness, compassion, respect....the simplest of common decencies....it would matter far less what we choose to label ourselves.

    Unfortunately, feminism has been accurately linked with much of what ails our society. Does that mean every feminist is the root of all evil? No, but it does mean they've embraced a movement that was and is, at it's core, founded on hatred. They may have embraced it ignorant to it's reality but just because decent people ignorantly embrace corrupt ideals doesn't mean we should accept or make allowances for those ideals.

    Much of the real battle is not so much with feminism but with a society and governments that promote and enable misandry; that disregard the value and worth of people based on gender.

    I don't expect you to agree with me on everything, Julie. I am actually pleasantly surprised when people do agree with me. I say what I believe, I do what I can to make the world and the lives of those I touch a little better; in the end I can only hope that I've made some difference and at least have the peace of knowing I tried.
    "Every noble impulse, every unselfish expression of love; every brave suffering for the right; every surrender of self to something higher than self; every loyalty to an ideal; every unselfish devotion to principle; every helpfulness to humanity; every act of self-control; every fine courage of the soul, undefeated by pretense or policy, but by being, doing, and living of good for the very good’s sake—that is spirituality." -David O. McKay

    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Ephesians 6:12

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    You don't have to necessarily look at it as men vs. women or feminists vs. antifeminists. I happen to see it as a battle of right vs. wrong; a fight to counter the lack of basic values and morality that's decaying our society. If everyone would embrace essential values like honesty, kindness, compassion, respect....the simplest of common decencies....it would matter far less what we choose to label ourselves.
    Truer words never spoken. How sad a satement that anyone would be surprised with agreement with this.

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    Kim, if all us females were together we would all get along. Probably laugh a lot.

    But then I see dear Lester whom I like too, agrees with your statement.

    I don't. It is wrong. But I am not going to tell anyone anything any more. There is so much you don't know. But that is not my problem.

    Being popular seems to be the way to go. Still that is not my thing either.

    LIVE and LET LIVE.

    PS. Thanx Kim.

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    Kim, if all us females were together we would all get along. Probably laugh a lot.

    But then I see dear Lester whom I like too, agrees with your statement.

    I don't. It is wrong. But I am not going to tell anyone anything any more. There is so much you don't know. But that is not my problem.

    Being popular seems to be the way to go. Still that is not my thing either.

    LIVE and LET LIVE.

    PS. Thanx Kim.
    Julie, you're so full of shit! You want to attack and act a fool, well let me tell you just what a fool you're acting like.

    You are envious, plain and simple. You bleed fuckin' green with envy! And you'll probably never get over it, cause you probably never earned a damned thing in this world.

    Look here! I don't give a shit what you think you know... your words say otherwise. If Kim were walking down a street in your neighborhood, you'd hide behind a bush, throw gasoline on her, light a match and say, "You won't be pretty ANYMORE!"

    Well pretty is as pretty does and you're lookin' pretty fuckin' ugly right now, so here's some ugly right back at you!

    You are a lost and confused soul who can't find you're way out of paper bag. And instead of doing some serious introspection, instead of finding a little humility and digging in and getting down to the damn quick of YOU!~

    YOU POINT THE FINGER! WELL THE DAMN FINGER IS POINTING RIGHT BACK AT YOU!

    Grow the hell up!

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    Re: My dilemma with Kim

    I have been in turmoil trying to cope with liking 2 different types of females
    My word, what a challenge. Only two different types.

    You should walk a mile in my shoes - a man's shoes. I am cursed with a liking for pretty well every woman I meet. It is innate. But that does not stop me from looking carefully at as many aspects they care to show - and many that they hide - in order to distinguish the wheat from the chaff.

    I have met a very large number of women who call themselves feminists in my time who I would happily have conversations with on music and literature, on almost any subject at all. I would happily cavort on the beach with them. One or two I would even dine with. With time and patient attention on their part, I have even let some into my bed to samples the pleasures of Big Percy's attentions.

    Many do seem to have good intentions. They certainly project that image. But then, there is that old adage, that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

    Making society more equal is a good intention. But achieving equality by ridding society of fathers is hardly 'good'. Making society equal by passing laws which elevate one sex above the other in even such mundane things as jobs, is hardly 'good'. Privileging one parent and dispossessing the other is hardly a 'good'.

    "Forgive them, for they know not what they do". Well, maybe they don't know, Jools, but there is little excuse for you not finding out.

    Cum dilectione hominum et odio vitiorum
    Love the Sinner but not the Sin.
    (St. Augustine)

    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
    against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. “
    (and within ourselves)
    (Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)

    A Feminist is a human being who has lost her way and turned vicious.
    If you meet one on the road as you Go your Own Way,
    offer kindness but keep your sword drawn.
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    Julie, you're so full of shit! You want to attack and act a fool, well let me tell you just what a fool you're acting like.

    You are envious, plain and simple. You bleed fuckin' green with envy! And you'll probably never get over it, cause you probably never earned a damned thing in this world.

    Look here! I don't give a shit what you think you know... your words say otherwise. If Kim were walking down a street in your neighborhood, you'd hide behind a bush, throw gasoline on her, light a match and say, "You won't be pretty ANYMORE!"

    Well pretty is as pretty does and you're lookin' pretty fuckin' ugly right now, so here's some ugly right back at you!

    You are a lost and confused soul who can't find you're way out of paper bag. And instead of doing some serious introspection, instead of finding a little humility and digging in and getting down to the damn quick of YOU!~

    YOU POINT THE FINGER! WELL THE DAMN FINGER IS POINTING RIGHT BACK AT YOU!

    Grow the hell up!
    All I can say is that I got myself into this mess along time ago when Bola said something that I reacted to. Now every time I say something negative to Kim, I wear the badge you and others have put on me.

    Some times it doesn't matter what you do; you can never get out of the swamp you put yourself in.

    This was my last hope to try and fix the problem. There is nothing more I can do. But my conscience is clear. I tried. And at the end of the day, I don't have to give one toss what you think.

    And as for what I say .... well buddy, ....

    PS. One who knows their worth doesn't need to prove it.

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    ENOUGH

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    All I can say is that I got myself into this mess along time ago when Bola said something that I reacted to. Now every time I say something negative to Kim, I wear the badge you and others have put on me.

    Some times it doesn't matter what you do; you can never get out of the swamp you put yourself in.

    This was my last hope to try and fix the problem. There is nothing more I can do. But my conscience is clear. I tried. And at the end of the day, I don't have to give one toss what you think.

    And as for what I say .... well buddy, ....

    PS. One who knows their worth doesn't need to prove it.

    ................

    ENOUGH

    "If the badge fits..."

    If you're in the green murky swamp, you might wanna try throwing down some sunshine!

    I know the damn swamp, I know how and what to do to GET OUT, so I don't wanna hear: "no matter what you do, blah, blah, blah..."

    You're attacking Kim and not any argument. Once Again! I don't see you making amends. That takes a bit more character than you tend to demonstrate.

    I don't care what you think you're worth, what you ARE worth is shining through, and that's a damn shame.

    Act like a big girl, own it, and make amends... if you can't well, that's o.k. too, we see the true colors shining through.

    Quit playing Jester Julie and grow up! It's only funny to juvenile teenage girls.

    Julie, really, how old are you???... now don't lie and tell us about kids and whatever... and just cause your mom bought you a computer doesn't mean your queen of the world at 12 years old.

    ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!!!!

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    Re: My dilemma with Kim

    Let me add to the disarray.

    Jools, you accused me of being a mysognist(a comment left on my blog that I erased for obvious reasons), A title I bare with pride and like yourself, I basically don't a damn about what other people think of me..

    But you placed your accusation on the fact that I did not include Kellymac on my list of sites that are daily updated on my blog. There are a few issues there and it would not be so if you had any understanding of linking blog sites to update on any dot.coms

    You automatically assumed that I did not want to add kellymacs site to my automatic updating link instead the simple fact is that "blogger.com" refused that link for whatever reason.

    If you bothered to check my blog you would have detected a link to KM's site.

    But for reasons known only to yourself, you reverted to name calling instead requesting an explanation..

    So, are you loosing it ?

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    Uhm...

    Why the hell should we care? If I wasn't so bored with your rediculous blathering, I'd remove this thread for "being female centric".... For as you have so fabulously shown, the "why do you guys like her and not meeeeeeee" whine is so... so... well... female.

    Exactly what does this have to do with men, boys, fathers, or even the price of fucking tea in China?

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    Julie--The only badge your wearing-is the one you have pinned on your-self.


 

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