MRMUK - a good idea?

**frostyboy** · 24th-December-2007

A month ago, I started a thread revealing my intention to form a new organisation called the MRMUK (Men's Rights Movement United Kingdom)

As no one replied to the thread, I was unable to gauge whether or not anyone liked the idea. So, in this thread, I'm going to explain my intentions for the organisation in greater depth, and hopefully receive some feedback this time.

The UKMM is the main inspiration behind the MRMUK. I seriously considered joining the UKMM, but was put off doing so due to three reasons. The first was that their site appears to have not been updated since July 2006, which would suggest that the UKMM is pretty inactive these days. The second was that it costs £15 per year to become (and remain) a member. And the third, was that women are prohibited from joining.

Hence I struck upon the idea of forming a new organisation which is free to join, and allows female MRAs to become members.

However, the MRMUK's goal is not to simply become a carbon copy of the UKMM, with just a few differences in the membership process. For example, the MRMUK places a big emphasis on regional groups which will eventually engage in regular offline activism. To date, there are two regional groups: Peterborough and West Yorkshire

I hope to create a website for the MRMUK in early 2008. Applying to become a member should be a simple process which can be done via the website. If a new member is from a location in the UK where a MRMUK regional group doesn't already exist, then I will invite them to form one. However, if they are from a location where a group does already exist (for example - Peterborough), then I will invite them to join the appropriate group.

If the MRMUK proves to be a success, I hope to enact some more ambitious plans. The first is an annual conference where MRMUK members from around the country meet up. The second is for members of regional groups to stand for local elections on behalf of the Men's Representative Party.

The most ambitious plan I have is the eventual forming of a kind of men's rghts European union organisation. The theory is, that if the MRMUK works well, MRAs in other European countries where attacks on men's rights are rife (for example - Sweden and Germany), could form a national organisation which is based on the same concept of the MRMUK. Then we could all link together.

I've started writing a manifesto for the MRMUK. This is how it reads so far:

Attempt to bring about a change in the law granting anonymity for men accused of rape, which should only be lifted if they are convicted of their alleged crime.

Attempt to bring about a change in the law making women-only electoral shortlists illegal.

Oppose plans to shut down all women's prisons in the UK.

Encourage public debate over the future of infant male circumcision in the UK.

Raise awareness about male cancers.

Ensure that the male victims of rape and domestic violence are acknowledged and given support.

**celtish** · 24th-December-2007

Good luck in your endeavour. If you are putting together an agenda or manifesto you might think about including the following points from the proposed 'second wave' masculist agenda in it:-
# correcting the laws which militate against fathers' rights
# abolishing laws that give women unfair advantages over men
# removing tax breaks given to hate organizations such as NOW
# removing charity status given to hate organizations registered as charities
# removing sexism and misrepresentation of men and women in the media
# giving boys and girls decent role models
# removing 'political correctness' vetting committees from within political parties
# challenging ideological assertions that men are inferior to women
# changing the education system in a way that will benefit boys as well as girls
# fighting misandry in the media and in educational establishments
# demanding fair trials and exemplary compensation for victims of false allegations
# ensuring fairer representation of men's views in politics by lobbying politicians

**TROM EDITOR** · 24th-December-2007

Frostyboy

There is a Minister for Men manifesto which I drew up at my blog which may help with some other ideas:- www.therightsofman.typepad.co.uk

Please sign me up for the campaign.

**TROM EDITOR** · 24th-December-2007

Hi Frostyboy

I also forgot to mention, in terms of standing for Parliament the site I mentioned has a list of 26 seats where Labour have used their all-women shortlist system for the next General Election. Men were banned from being Labour candidates.

They would be a good start because automatically you have an issue to raise with men in each of those constiteunces "Labour banned you from having a Male Labour MP" etc.

Peter Law who was briefly (he died in 2006) an independent MP for Blaneau Gwent won because he wanted to be the Labour candidate there (he was a well known local Labour politician) but because they used an all-women shortlist, he was banned from standing for Labour. He went independent and won.

He is an unsung hero of the Men's Rights Movement.

**KellyMac** · 24th-December-2007

I think that's a wonderful idea, Frostyboy. I think if there is something concrete like what you are planning, it could be successful. Of course, I know there are other groups. The key seems to be keeping people motivated, and keeping the group in the public consciousness. From what little I've tried to do, I can tell you that is a monumental task, and too big for any one person. Even if you are able to do it full time, you're going to need help.

I wish you luck. Keep us posted.

P.S. Is there anything like this in the U.S.?

**FFFF** · 26th-December-2007

A good idea, and so is pissing in the wind at times.. I guess it gives a nice warm feeling to your feet..

You are correct about the inactivity and uselessness of the "established" incumbents regards mens issues..

How many political groups banging the same rather trivial drums are needed?

This group, like most in the "MRM" seems to be coming to the state from the foetal position, or at least, on its knees..

All you will get with the approach being taken is a brown nose, worn out knees, a left trouser leg drenched and a shoe full of piss..

I clicked on the "west yorkshire" site hoping to see some gents I know well..

How many are in your group?

**MAUS** · 26th-December-2007

Quote from KellyMac

I think that's a wonderful idea, Frostyboy. I think if there is something concrete like what you are planning, it could be successful. Of course, I know there are other groups. The key seems to be keeping people motivated, and keeping the group in the public consciousness. From what little I've tried to do, I can tell you that is a monumental task, and too big for any one person. Even if you are able to do it full time, you're going to need help.

I wish you luck. Keep us posted.

P.S. Is there anything like this in the U.S.?

Kelly, in answer to your P.S., it is onthe Honey Dew list of the Hillary entourage if Hillary gets the leadership of the Democrats. This may not be openly talked about yet but she isn't powerfull enough to announce it brazenly...yet.

**frostyboy** · 26th-December-2007

Quote from Drex

I clicked on the "west yorkshire" site hoping to see some gents I know well..

How many are in your group?

Currently the MRMUK has two official members, with two additional individuals having pledged their support.

**FFFF** · 26th-December-2007

Thanks for the honest answer..

I think you could do better, but much depends on how willing you are to press for NON STATIST solutions to our problems..

**KellyMac** · 26th-December-2007

Quote from MAUS

Kelly, in answer to your P.S., it is onthe Honey Dew list of the Hillary entourage if Hillary gets the leadership of the Democrats. This may not be openly talked about yet but she isn't powerfull enough to announce it brazenly...yet.

Hillary? Are you serious??

**julie** · 26th-December-2007

This is a great idea.

Are you also going to link in with other groups to make it more powerful? I can get you a decent list and some you may not know of yet.

**frostyboy** · 26th-December-2007

Quote from julie

This is a great idea.

Are you also going to link in with other groups to make it more powerful? I can get you a decent list and some you may not know of yet.

Once the MRMUK website is online, I plan to contact the leaders of other men's groups and propose working together.

If you could sort out a list of men's rights groups, that would be great. Thanks.

**julie** · 26th-December-2007

Quote from frostyboy

Once the MRMUK website is online, I plan to contact the leaders of other men's groups and propose working together.

If you could sort out a list of men's rights groups, that would be great. Thanks.

I am going to put some effort into this.

I will find you more than men's groups.

I say this because I was told on Christmas day that the MRA movement in NZ is forming with the groups that are anti the free speech laws and their groups that the Government says are radicals. Great news. MRM is for all men no matter what their stand against the monster of feminism.

They work with groups where you are. Ones that I don't even know. (yet)

On another note and maybe interesting.

One thing I have been learning about the Christian groups is that they are still arguing over petty things and thus are not able to teamwork. Maybe they haven't know enough pain yet?

But the males outside of churches are taking off and working well together. If I was in your country I would join you too.

**ooftus goofus** · 27th-December-2007

I`m all for MRMs working together.Lack of cooperation or organization among MRMs has frequently been cited as one of the reasons for their ineffectiveness.

**Percy** · 27th-December-2007

Good Luck Frosty. I am in Oz but could be persuaded to be an 'overseas' supporter should you create such a role.

I think that any organisation needs financing, or you run the risk of just being a talkfest on the net. You need money and you need to sort 'real' members from verbal contributors. A membership fee binds people together better.

As for goals, you can get into all sorts of minor issues and get diverted. Energy gets dissipated on subsidiary issues. You need only a few clear and overarching goals, such as 1) Equality before the Law (no special privileges for this group or that) and 2) Get rid of No-Fault divorce (make divorce a contract dissolving procedure with compensation for the partner who doesn't want the contact broken). Most other issues come from these two being so unequal and discriminatorily anti-male.

KellyMac, there are several strong groups in the States. San Diego, New York and New Hampshire spring to mind. If you want to do something really useful join R.A.D.A.R. They could use someone with your talent.