Thread: Are MRA's intolerant of homosexuals?

Quote from TERA

It was just suggested to me that MRA's are intolerant of homosexuals and that they claim to fight for men's rights as long as the men are heterosexual. I've seen some fairly anti-gay stuff on this forum, and it makes me wonder if there's some truth to the observation that gays are not welcome.

It was also suggested to me that it could be that the MRA movement has a high number of closet homosexuals, who joined the movement because it's a "near perfect" hiding place (or cover) for one who doesn't want anyone else to know that they are gay, or for one that is confused about how to go about keeping a gay lifestyle a secret.

I am not convinced one way or the other.

I've noticed a lot of anti-gay sentiment here as well, but I'm pretty sure not everyone here holds that view. I think a lot of MRAs would have a problem with homosexuals because they generally tend to be sympathetic towards feminism. I split homosexuals into two extremes: Feminist male and woman-hater. I respect the ones that fall down the middle.

I rather agree with Mads on this one... There does seem to be two main camps (excuse the pun) of homosexuals. Now, if you asked Ohso, you're ears would not withstand the beating they were about to endure (at least, I suspect) because he primary focus is on homosexuality of both genders and the misandry within the homosexuality/dyke movement.

There does seem to be a lot of back-patting between the gay community and feminists, which both resort to bashing on straight men... so perhaps some straight guys are sick of being bashed from all corners?

Who knows!

I really don't think there's a secret society of homo's within the MRA movement though... that just comes over as a childish & snarky attack in order to try and shame men who stand up for their rights. How disimilar are these two statements: 1) "I think there are many men in MRA circles who are gay, in order to hide their homosexuality..." and "You must be gay, and have a small penis, and live in your mother's closet, and and and..."

See... They're not that different, are they?

I have a suggestion for you Tera. You might want to read Nico Machevilli. And you should read Sun Tzu's "The Art of War". Gays are part of a political coalition that is aligned with the Feminists. They are not our friends. That is why we are opposed to them. It is part of the cultural wars. Are you that uninformed? I might be castigated for posting this but you consistently crap all over us here. Why is that? I feel sorry for Gay Men. They must live with bigotry and intolerance. And Feminists barely tolerate them. I have some Gay Friends and have worked with and hired Gay Men who were very protective of me and my Family.

They turned out to be very good people to work with and to have them work for me. I have no hatred of Gay Men. I have empathy for their challenges. I hired a Gay Man to run a Business I owned. He was over protective of my Ex Wife and I. And I had to tell him to relax and back off.

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I have a suggestion for you Tera. You might want to read Nico Machevilli. And you should read Sun Tzu's "The Art of War". Gays are part of a political coalition that is aligned with the Feminists. They are not our friends. That is why we are opposed to them. It is part of the cultural wars. Are you that uninformed? I might be castigated for posting this but you consistently crap all over us here. Why is that? I feel sorry for Gay Men. They must live with bigotry and intolerance. And Feminists barely tolerate them. I have some Gay Friends and have worked with and hired Gay Men who were very protective of me and my Family.

They turned out to be very good people to work with and to have them work for me. I have no hatred of Gay Men. I have empathy for their challenges. I hired a Gay Man to run a Business I owned. He was over protective of my Ex Wife and I. And I had to tell him to relax and back off.

I don't think she's crapping on anybody. She's just posing a question. If you read what she wrote closely, it's pretty clear that her position was neutral.

Quote from MadShangi

I don't think she's crapping on anybody. She's just posing a question. If you read what she wrote closely, it's pretty clear that her position was neutral.

Thanks, MadShangi.

Quote from khankrumthebulgar

I have a suggestion for you Tera. You might want to read Nico Machevilli. And you should read Sun Tzu's "The Art of War". Gays are part of a political coalition that is aligned with the Feminists. They are not our friends. That is why we are opposed to them. It is part of the cultural wars. Are you that uninformed? I might be castigated for posting this but you consistently crap all over us here. Why is that? I feel sorry for Gay Men. They must live with bigotry and intolerance. And Feminists barely tolerate them. I have some Gay Friends and have worked with and hired Gay Men who were very protective of me and my Family.

They turned out to be very good people to work with and to have them work for me. I have no hatred of Gay Men. I have empathy for their challenges. I hired a Gay Man to run a Business I owned. He was over protective of my Ex Wife and I. And I had to tell him to relax and back off.

I have gay friends, too, and I feel sorry for them, as well. Like you pointed out, they live with bigotry and intolerance. That's precisely why I don't understand why so many MRA's reject them. What choice do they have but to align with feminists (or amongst themselves) if men don't want to include them in this movement?

Quote from TERA

Like you pointed out, they live with bigotry and intolerance. That's precisely why I don't understand why so many MRA's reject them.

In the years that this site has operated I've been approached (digitally speaking) by two homosexual men, asking 'permission' to join... I responded with open arms as I do most people who come here. Permission is neither expected nor required... In *my* books, as long as they're pro-men's rights - they're welcome.

Now, about your last statement - about MRA's rejecting them and thus they have 'no choice' but to align themselves, I disagree.

I will welcome anyone - regardless of sexual orientation.

Who is to say they align themselves because MRA's push them away?

Could it not be that MRA's push them away because they are already aligned with feminism?

As Ohso has been so ardently pointing out in his private little threads area, the gay community is already proven anti-male, at least to some extent. Nonetheless, just as I'm ok with feminists themselves registering on this board, I'm also perfectly fine with gays & lesbians registering here.

So long as hatred is not spouted - they're welcome. So far, for the most part, the feminists who've come here and the gays too have been mostly quite respectful, decent and civil... As long as that trend continues, I think we'll all be happy.

Quote from Marx

Could it not be that MRA's push them away because they are already aligned with feminism?

As Ohso has been so ardently pointing out in his private little threads area, the gay community is already proven anti-male, at least to some extent. .

nothing more to say.... than whats said above

"As long as they're respectful." Hmm.....they must be respectful, but there are posts on this board that are far less than respectful about them.

Sometimes I wonder how much of a chance to MRA's have if they stand alone. I mean, on one side you've got women, gays, and minorities. On the other, men...but not all men, just mainly ultra conservative men. Maybe men's rights would come more quickly if this small group of men joined the larger side and everyone was on the same side? By that, I do not mean giving up the pursuit of men's rights and issues, not at all. I mean bringing these to the forefront in a larger movement: civil rights.

I know, I know...idealistic thinking. No possible way, I suppose, for this to happen.

Just thinking...if the most harmful aspects of feminism could be defeated from the inside through small changes/victories, and then larger ones.

Quote from TERA

"As long as they're respectful." Hmm.....they must be respectful, but there are posts on this board that are far less than respectful about them.

About their sexuality, about their preferences, or ... about the large groups that have proven to be sexist and hateful?
As I said, I don't have any issue with gay people at a one-on-one basis... But I'm not happy about 'Dykes on Bikes' telling me I'm not allowed to walk through a town for fear of being mobbed, while they make an ilegal demonstration - with support of the police!?!
Would you - as a straight woman - be happy about 'gay pride' (for example) saying "No women allowed", similar to what Ohso has posted about? And let's keep in mind, although I accept he's very much what I'd consider 'radical'... at least he's supplied rock-solid proof of his claims; it's not just opinion - but barefaced facts.

Quote from TERA

Sometimes I wonder how much of a chance to MRA's have if they stand alone. I mean, on one side you've got women, gays, and minorities. On the other, men...but not all men, just mainly ultra conservative men. Maybe men's rights would come more quickly if this small group of men joined the larger side and everyone was on the same side? By that, I do not mean giving up the pursuit of men's rights and issues, not at all. I mean bringing these to the forefront in a larger movement: civil rights.

I know, I know...idealistic thinking. No possible way, I suppose, for this to happen.

I completely agree - but no one is stopping them from supporting the cause.

I think at the moment, they're under the impression that feminists will love them and blah blah blah because they have joined in the hate-games, and bashing/hating men is fashionable at this time in our society.

But for how long?

How long before feminists turn on them? For why? What crime have these gay (men, we'll use as example) have they committed for feminists to turn hateful towards them?

Who knows - and who cares...

Men are not the demons feminists paint us as - but who knows and who cares why they turned on us the way they, even after men supported their causes and offered (and continue to do so) our help?

Talk about being stabbed in the back?

It happened to straight men... Gay men are next.

Then straight women...

It won't be long until feminists turn on everyone, and the only remaining people will be lesbians, using science to reproduce... and nature will do what it always does.

It'll fuck 'em up.

It'll reintroduce men - against their wishes. And for all the abortions they induce - someone, somewhere will let a baby boy be born... And hey-presto - nature's won.

If not... it'll just wipe the last remants of them from the face of the Earth, and start over.

As long as there are men and women that share this planet together, men and women will have sex and will reproduce.

Unless there's genocide (is that the right word)- and all men or all women were on the earth were killed, I don't think we have to worry that a group of lesbians is going to wipe out straight men and women from the earth and rule the world.

Ask Mary Daly and a few other radicals... They've spent their energies pushing for sciencentific means of reducing men to 10% of the planet's population and ... I forget the term now, the ability to reproduce without engaging in sex.

Personally, I know it'll never come to fruition... but this is what the radical arms wants.

When more 'moderate' feminists talk of radical, they're talking about generic misandrists - not absolute haters who condone & promote death.

That to me is radical.

Manhating feminism is not radical - it is typical.

Quote from TERA

It was just suggested to me that MRA's are intolerant of homosexuals and that they claim to fight for men's rights as long as the men are heterosexual. I've seen some fairly anti-gay stuff on this forum, and it makes me wonder if there's some truth to the observation that gays are not welcome.

It was also suggested to me that it could be that the MRA movement has a high number of closet homosexuals, who joined the movement because it's a "near perfect" hiding place (or cover) for one who doesn't want anyone else to know that they are gay, or for one that is confused about how to go about keeping a gay lifestyle a secret.

I am not convinced one way or the other.

Implicit in this post is the idea that it is wrong (read: politically incorrect) to be intolerant of homosexuals. I highly resent being told by political or social doctrine whom I may and may not respect or accept. People will always be intolerant of others. In fact, homosexuals are some of the most intolerant people I've ever encountered. They attack, sometimes violently, those who do not embrace their ideology. That is offensive to me.

The concept of "closet gays" is just plain fatuous. In this day and age with homosexuality as prevelant (to the point of being offensive) and "popular" in the media and the "entertainment" world as misandry is, if homosexuals are still in the closet, it's their own choice. It's we straight men who have to hide our masculinity and refrain from acting the way we normally would were it not for misandristic culture and laws.

Quote from TERA

It was just suggested to me that MRA's are intolerant of homosexuals and that they claim to fight for men's rights as long as the men are heterosexual. I've seen some fairly anti-gay stuff on this forum...

I can talk only about myself.

I am a straight man, and I am interested ONLY in the relationship of straight man/straight women.

I find really very little stuff to talk with a man, who is into men.
He has a totally different way of sexual life.

This forum here is much into problems between straight men and straight women and all social problems about it, like children, father rights, abortion, adoption, dating...

There are many forums dealing solely with problems related to gay/lesbians - why should these people use this 'antimisandry forum' - for what reason?

I am really not interested into a topic which might be important for gay men or for lesbian women. They have their own way of life and I have my way of life. I am not against them, but we have a totally different way to go because of our sexual feelings.

However, lesbian women are entering often the radical feminist movement, hatefully attacking straight men, attacking even married women, even accusing mothers with boys, are using hateful slogans full of scorn about Western men with a foreign wife and so on and are claiming they must protect straight women (always the victims) against misuse from straight men (always the rapists).

It is no surprise to me, that straight men are asking themselves, why lesbians should have a 'right' to interfere into the straight way of life.

The behaviour of gay men against straight men is not that aggressive, but I do not expect anything from them which might be supportive for MRAs or generally for straight men.

What do we have in common? Very little I think...this does not mean, that we hate each other. We go our own ways.