MRA forums and blogs soon to be Illegal?

[Celtic Druid]

Previously Republicans in Congress ensured a curb on a Orwellian federal "anti-hate" bill being implemented. Now, with the Democrats in control of congress, things are set to change for the worse.

A new hate bill to be proposed in January will potentially criminalize mens forums and blogs, yet an abundance of extreme feminist and openly misandric sites will be 'probably' remain unscathed.

Democrat Control Means Hate Bill Will Pass

Rense.com | November 15, 2006
Rev. Ted Pike

For the past eight years, the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith has tried unsuccessfully to pass its Orwellian federal "anti-hate" bill. It has failed largely for one reason: Republican control of Congress.

Repeatedly, Republican opponents of their hate bill, such as Rep. Roy Blunt and Sen. Bill Frist have been able, with Republican congressional backing, to block passage.

With Democrats now in control, such freedom-saving clout no longer exists. ADL's federal thought crimes bill, "The Local Law Enforcement Enhancement Act," will be reintroduced soon after January 1. Since no Democrat in Congress has ever voted against the hate bill, it will pass. Pres. Bush has said he will sign a "modified" hate bill. If he does, free speech in America will quickly come to an end.

Unless, that is, there arises an upheaval of protest from the American people. How can that happen? Answer: Alternative right-wing talk radio has helped make it happen before; it can do so again.

Spreading Net of Thought Crime Laws

Today, from Canada to California, to Europe and Australia, ADL-inspired "thought crime" laws are stripping nations of free speech. In Canada and many European countries, it is a crime punishable by heavy fines and even imprisonment to make use of the internet to criticize federally protected groups, such as homosexuals and Muslims.

A top Canadian "hate laws" senior policy advisor recently described the power of her country's "speech crime" tribunal courts: "The Canadian Human Rights Tribunal is a quasi-judicial body. It can force a web to shut down or risk a $10,000 fine--$20,000 in extreme cases. If one ignores the Tribunal, one can be tried in federal court for contempt, and risk a 9-month jail sentence for a first-time offense." (Karen Izzard, quoted in Jewish Tribune, Sept. 21, 2006)

English-Turkish cyber-hate expert Prof. Yaman Akdeniz, speaking at a B'nai B'rith conference on how to end dissent on the net, rejoices that David Irving is behind bars. He said "continental European countries such as Denmark, Germany, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Hungary, Austria and Belgium have strong anti-hate laws, which have resulted in the imprisonment of hate-mongers. In Holland, 657 websites were removed. And in Germany, more than 700 hate websites were shut down." (ibid)

In England, two men who publicly described Islam as a "wicked faith" were indicted under Britain's anti-hate law and are fighting to avoid seven years in prison. The ADL-influenced British hate law stipulates that truth cannot be admitted as evidence in court. Only the complaints by members of specially protected groups who say their feelings have been hurt will be allowed. David Irving languishes in an Austrian prison primarily because he was forbidden to bring truth to the court in his defense.

NPN Helped Hold Back Hate Laws

Congressional Republicans have played a decisive role in keeping hate laws from similarly binding America. But there is another factor: the consistent resistance and education provided over the last 27 years by the National Prayer Network. Here is a brief history of NPN's role and my part as its director.

In 1988, after ADL held its definitive Hofstra conference on "verbal violence," I realized ADL wanted jurisdiction over all hate crimes definitions, education, enforcement, and statistics gathering for the federal government. They intended to seize control through passage of their Hate Crimes Statistics Act of 1990. I responded by creating a powerful brochure, "Will Hate Laws Make You a Lawbreaker?" which NPN sent to many thousands of key opinionmakers.

Ultimately, we failed. Congress passed the act and ADL now dominates the federal hate crimes agenda all the way down to every local police precinct in America.

Also, during the 1990s, ADL persuaded about 46 states to adopt some version of its "Model Hate Crimes Statute." These are backup "sleeper" state hate laws that can be used by ADL in lieu of a federal hate law, which is their ultimate dream.

Where were the New Right watchdogs during the 10-year period when ADL created a federal hate crimes agenda and made hate crimes law for most states? There was no organized consistent opposition apart from some excellent research on the danger of hate laws done by Robert L. Knight. This was used in sporadic alerts by New Right organizations including Concerned Women for America, Focus on the Family, and the efforts of Dr. D. James Kennedy, who was pivotal in publicizing Knight's research to help defeat a federal hate bill in 2000 (See, "How Dr. D. James Kennedy Helped Save Free Speech").

Sounding the Alarm

In 2000, my wife Alynn and I produced an 80-minute video documentary, Hate Laws: Making Criminals of Christians. With much documentation provided by Canadian free speech leader Paul Fromm and a stellar review from Michael Collins Piper of the American Free Press newspaper, many thousands of this groundbreaking video circulated throughout America and the world.

Also, hand writing every address, NPN sent 12,500 copies of my brochure to every state legislator and virtually every member of Congress, plus about eight of each of their key legislative staffers.

Yes, these were small beginnings. But at last, a consistent educational program against hate laws was underway.

Not a moment too soon! In the spring of 2002, ADL expected easy passage of its hate bill by the Senate. Yet Jim Tucker of American Free Press told me that when he attended the National Press Club at that time, reporters were abuzz with how much unusually educated protest against hate laws was bombarding members of Congress.

Emboldened by the public outcry, a handful of spirited Republican senators demanded discussion of the bill on the floor of the Senate. That's the last thing Tom Daschle and the ADL wanted. They shelved the bill for the year.

Taking to the Airwaves

In the spring of 2004 NPN and the religious right were shocked to learn ADL had quickly and quietly passed its hate bill by a vote of 65-33 in the Senate.

I was desperate to defeat the hate bill, but how? The only glimmer of hope was in burgeoning alternative talk radio. For a week, I phoned 1,400 talk radio stations in America, gleaning the names of about 350 Christian conservative talk show hosts. I sent them our hate laws brochure and an offer of a free video. Only five responded.

Then I heard of popular talk show host Pastor Ernie Sanders. He shared my burden and allowed me to speak on his program many times to alert his vast listening audience. The late Dr. David Wolfe soon did the same on the Genesis radio network, as did Bill Brumbaugh of First Amendment Radio. During the summer of 2004, as the hate bill was headed for conference, many other talk show hosts allowed me to speak. A wave of angry protest assaulted Congress. Result: Again, House Republicans, under Rep. Roy Blunt, encouraged defeat of the hate bill on Oct. 8, 2004.

ADL Goes Berserk

What happened next is still beyond belief. ADL was enraged by our defeat of their cherished thought crimes bill. On Sunday, Oct. 10, through their National Executive Board member, Philadelphia District Attorney Lynne Abraham, they arrested 11 Christians peacefully evangelizing at a large gay pride rally in downtown Philadelphia. One of the charges against the Christians was the "hate crime" of criticizing homosexuals. Total possible penalties: 47 years in prison and $90,000 fines each. (See, "Eleven Christians Jailed For Criticizing Homosexuality")

Realizing God had given ADL into our hands, I took the offensive on dozens of national radio talk shows, some with Michael Marcavage, head of the "Philly 11." He and his lawyers were also extensively interviewed. Some New Right organizations, such as Concerned Women for America and WorldNetDaily, alerted millions. Despite silence from the mainstream media, we were able to trumpet news of this outrage to the entire astonished world.

International indignation against Abraham and the corrupt Philly government became so great that Abraham (herself soon the defendant in a wrongful arrest and imprisonment suit) was glad to allow a fair-minded judge and jury to drop the case against the Christians.

In my opinion, ADL's rash action against the "Philly 11" was the greatest blunder in their 89-year history. It allowed me, in the next year and half, to speak on nearly 200 talk shows. For the first time, millions of Americans were made aware of how ADL has silenced free speech in Canada and desires the same stranglehold in America.

Incredibly, however, most of the largest Christian conservative organizations gave minimum, or very belated, exposure to what happened in Philadelphia. To this hour, they have failed to provide any long-term education on the threat of thought crimes legislation.

Threat of Hate Bill Returns

Although we defeated the hate bill twice, the House in the fall of 2004 made recommendation by a nonbinding vote of 213 to 186 in favor of the hate bill. The next time the hate bill came to the House for a vote, it would surely pass. That's exactly what happened.

In October 2005, after only 45 minutes of discussion, the House passed the Hate Crimes Prevention Act as a rider on a Republican-generated bill to protect children from pedophiles.

The blitzkrieg speed of the bill's passage deeply shocked evangelicals and conservatives. They thought House Republicans would never allow it to happen. Beverly LaHaye of Concerned Women for America sputtered that passage was "inexplicable." If she and other evangelical leaders had listened to my warnings over the past year, they would have known passage was not surprising at all, but predicted.

The New Right quickly mobilized. It encouraged millions of Christians and conservatives to protest with calls to their senators and Bill Frist, Senate Majority leader. Impressive as was this response, I knew it could not win. The battle would be decided in the Senate Judiciary Committee, where, hopelessly, it seemed, Republicans against the hate bill were outnumbered 10-8.

On at least 50 talk shows, the most important of which were those with Jeff Rense, I instructed hundreds of thousands of patriots to do what few had ever asked before: Come to www.truthtellers.org for a complete list of the 18 members of the Senate Judiciary Committee. Countless patriots, eager to save freedom, called protesting the hate bills.

Having saturated Judiciary for two weeks, I then posted the names of all 100 Senators, and again a vast number of patriots called each one.

In short, between an outpouring of calls generated by the New Right and myself-and a divinely imposed madness on the part of Sen. Kennedy, sponsor of the hate bill who gave up support of the bill in Judiciary at the last minute-the hate bill was defeated. (See, "Federal Hate Bill Virtually Dead ")

Hate Bill Still a Threat

Yet, contrary to what most believed, the hate bill was not dead. Sen. Kennedy still had power to revive it on the floor of the Senate-reattaching it to the children's bill just as soon as Sen. Frist brought this much-needed legislation before the Senate.

As a result, Frist (unbeknownst to supporters of the children's bill, such as Bill O'Reilly of Fox News and John Walsh of America's Most Wanted) would not let the children's bill onto the floor of the Senate. He would not allow Kennedy the opportunity to stand to his feet and demand reattachment of his hate bill to the children's legislation. Frist knew that if Kennedy got that opportunity, the Senate, having voted overwhelmingly 65-33 for the hate bill the previous spring, would certainly support Kennedy and pass it.

This standoff of Senate titans continued through the fall and then the winter session of Congress. Supporters of the children's bill, like Kathie Lee Gifford, O'Reilly and Walsh, unaware of the real reason for its delay, began making angry demands that Frist get the children's bill moving. Frist was mum concerning his real reasons for delay and wouldn't budge. He knew the extreme danger and power of Kennedy to pass the hate bill if the children's bill came before the Senate.

Finally, as tension was becoming almost explosive, I sent out my e-alert explaining to the nation that the only reason the children's bill was bottled up was because of Kennedy's determination to have his hate bill attached to it.

Less than two days later, O'Reilly exploded on Fox News, furiously accusing Kennedy of the obstructionism which I had described. Tens of thousands of calls flooded Kennedy's office. I also generated many thousands to all members of the Senate, opposing the hate bill. When Kennedy publicly announced his abandonment of attempts to pass the hate bill, I knew we had witnessed another mighty deliverance from God.

A Dangerous Time

Humanly speaking, these victories were primarily made possible because of the presence and integrity of Sen. Bill Frist and core Republicans in leadership of Congress.

Frist is now gone as Senate majority leader, replaced by no other than Sen. Harry Reid, co-sponsor with Kennedy of the Senate version of the hate bill. Similarly, House majority leader Nancy Pelosi is another long-term hate bill supporter, a pipeline from San Francisco gay activism. Such liberals and ADL lackeys are as determined to pass the hate bill as Frist was to impede it.

Now, with more than enough votes from Democrats and turncoat Republicans, it is a virtual certainty that ADL's dream legislation will be approved and move America toward a Big Brother police state.

Considering the lack of focus and inattention of the New Right and Christian evangelicals in opposing hate crimes laws, we cannot count on them to provide an offensive proactive program of resistance. Yes, they will react eventually but only at the last moment. Their stop-gap response will almost certainly be too little, too late.

Alternative talk radio, especially the Genesis and Republic networks, speaks to hundreds of thousands of focused activists. It still holds the brightest possibility, in my opinion, for another deliverance.

That is, if the talk show hosts will put me on the air. The reason I have dwelt at length on the record of myself and NPN is not to boast. Rather, it is to remind talk show hosts of my unique ability to explain the background and danger of hate laws and to generate effective protest to Congress.

It's true, especially of late, that I have had to become very critical of Jewish activism, Talmudic Judaism, and Israel. Some talk hosts may say, "I can't put Ted Pike on-ADL will make trouble and I'll lose stations!"

The truth is, talk show hosts, if you don't put me on and let me fight for your free speech, soon you'll lose not just a few stations-you'll lose everything.

With Republicans out of power, Congress must be besieged with protest as never before. With this in mind, the issue is not, "Do I dare put Ted Pike on the air?" Instead, the issue is, "Do I dare not to?"

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/..._bill_pass.htm

[Rob]

Yeah, you know, this kind of stuff is really scary.

BUT, if push comes to shove...

I have made up my mind several months ago that if they stick me in prison I will harm the state 100 times more from within prison than from outside. (I sometimes contemplate making a fool out of myself to get publicity - cause I am that pissed off!)

Punish men by sticking them with thousands of men who have been disenfranchized by society? Stick an MRA in a room full of men falsely accused of DV/Rape/Possessing too much testosterone? What folly! How easy would it be to convince a man who just lost his family and got falsely imprisoned to become an enemy of the state?

Maybe the state has to go totallitarian so that men will actually get so angry to fight back. Maybe that way a fellow like me may actually get to see a "sane" government before the end of my days.

The Boston Tea Party protest over "taxation without representation" is chicken shit compared to men having their children stolen from them and suffering the indignity of false imprisonment.

There is nothing more dangerous than a man who has nothing left to lose. The leftists in the government seem to have forgotten this.

Every totalitarian movement by the government causes individual men to become more violent. Think of the family courts becoming the most dangerous places for judges to work. Eventually, they are going to have to think pretty hard about this, if they continue to be asshats.

Bring it on, assholes. I am starting to feel it will be like ripping the bandaid off fast, rather than slowly.

My thoughts of dressing up as "Herm the Sperm" and storming the Parliament in protest are starting to well up in me again!

Pretty soon it will become "macho" to hate the state.

Read my lips, filthy mangina leftists: B-R-I-N-G I-T O-N!!!

Also, remember this piece from Angry Harry when Mzzzzzzz Bouchard recommended similar legislation here is Canada http://www.angryharry.com/esCanadian...ingWorried.htm


10/06/03 Canadian Feminists Getting Worried
Most of you have probably read the recent news that some Canadian feminists are trying to get funding to interfere with the growth of the men's movement.
Canada A federally funded report says "masculinists" are orchestrating a backlash against feminism and blaming women for oppressing and discriminating against men. Michael Higgins
Among the report's recommendations is that an organization similar to Hate Watch be established to monitor men's groups on the Web, that inciting hatred on the basis of gender should be a hate crime and that women's groups establish a network to counter the masculinists' views.
In an interview with the National Post yesterday, the main author of the report, Pierrette Bouchard, a professor in the education department at Université Laval, said she was surprised at what she found on the Web sites.
Well, I have some news for Msz Bouchard.
You can monitor all you like!
You will simply make matters far worse for you and your feminist cronies should you try to interfere with men's websites.
Indeed, if angryharry was ever taken down for being too outspoken or aggressive, or something like that, then I would most definitely manage to summon the effort required to attempt to make matters much, much worse for feminists and for those heinous politicians who would undoubtedly be behind such a thing.
Indeed, there are all types of mischief that I would probably get up to.
Perhaps I would spend my time sneaking around and getting my articles posted under different names on various mainstream websites that are far more popular than this site. I would, perhaps, have to soften my aggressive 'style' to cater for a much wider audience, but that's OK. I could cope!
In fact, it would not take me very long at all to re-vamp most of my articles and to start spinning them out in a slightly different form.
On the other hand, perhaps I would start an acceptable and legal softcore porn site - absolutely plastered all over with appropriately styled anti-feminist rhetoric and also with plenty of links to any remaining men's websites or to pro-men articles.
Topless Housewives do Housework!
Salivate over pictures of Sexy Susan as she irons her man's shirt before cooking his breakfast. And then take a look at any fathers-4-justice website to see some real men in action.
Ah yes!
Tabloid stuff.
But very effective!
And my audience would probably end up being 200 times larger than it is already.
On the other hand, I could focus my attention more diligently on those toadying politicians who actually implemented any crackdowns on anti-feminist men's websites.
For example, how's about this sort of thing from the Iraqi war?
"Thanks Tony Blair, (George Bush, Jean Chretien, or Whoever). I am so very glad that your family is safe and well."
And who knows what other terrible things I, and others, might do, if our anti-feminist websites were closed down?
Hmm.
Perhaps many activists would also team up and start concentrating on creating a fuss over abortion - with ghoulish pictures of mangled fetuses thrown in to tear at the heart strings.
Oh look, here's one of the less worrisome pictures that I picked up in a matter of seconds.
Yep. That sure is one very dead aborted baby.
Such things would really hurt the feminists.
Wouldn't they, Mszzz Bouchard?
Hmm.
Perhaps more activists would begin to see religion as being the answer to their problems - and they might be tempted to support - and even join - very religious groups which have very 'traditional' attitudes towards women.
Indeed, many alienated men in the USA and in the UK already seem to be doing this - particularly in prisons.
Islam!
Allah says in the Qur'an,
[4:34] Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
Yo!
That sounds good to me!
Well. Who knows what I would actually do?
But I would certainly do something!
And the same would also be true for other anti-feminist activists who were prevented from airing their views. They would simply attack the feminists and those who support them by transferring their energies to other fronts on the battlefield - of which there are many.
And they cannot close down everything!
And there are so many other nefarious possibilities that I can think of that I am almost looking forward to Mszzzzz Bouchard's ideas actually being implemented.
Yes. It's true!
I love a challenge.
I love it, love it, love it.
You see. The thing is this.
There are many men's activists - increasing in number all the time - who are extremely motivated to destroy the hateful ideology of feminism. Indeed, some of them are still full of anger over personal events that happened to them well over a decade ago!
Yes. It's true!
In fact, there are now loads of committed men's activists from all over the world who have been around for absolutely ages!
They work without reward or pay. Their status and their career prospects do not go up. In fact, they probably go down.
But they are still here!
And they are very clearly not going to go away!
Indeed, the internet is now uniting them, and creating more of them.
And in whatever area their activism is suppressed, they will simply pop up elsewhere.
And wherever they go, their activities will continue to be most detrimental to feminists.
And in the end, they will win.
And they will win because feminism is a thoroughly hateful ideology that is causing tremendous harm to western society, and because more and more people are finally beginning to wake up to this fact.
And there is nothing that Mszzzzzzz Bouchard and her cronies can do about this.
Having been so successful for so long at silencing the voice of men through intimidation (e.g. in the media and in government), through dishonesty (e.g. phony academic research) and through corruption (e.g. of the law) there is one thing that now truly terrifies feminists.
Scrutiny!
They are absolutely terrified of being exposed.
And this is why they want to try to shut down any publicly-accessible criticisms of them.
But therein lies their big problem.
The more fuss that they create about the men's movement, the greater will be the publicity generated for it, and the bigger will it grow.
The feminists are in a lose-lose situation.
Either they sit and do nothing, while the men's movement simply grows, or they fight it, which will simply make matters even worse for them and, of course, for the politicians who support them.
This is the kind of hopeless situation in which people who live behind a wall of lies often find themselves.
It is just a matter of time before the feminists are defrocked, dethroned and dismissed. And the longer that this takes, the worse will be the backlash against them.
It is also reported that Mszzzzzzzzz Bouchard thinks that feminist women ought to be rallied to the internet to try to counter the growth of the men's movement.
Ho. Ho. Ho.
In. Her. Dreams.
1. There is already the most monumental pile of man-hating feminist drivel floating around the internet - much of it tax-funded - and all it does is to antagonise most men even more than is already the case. Indeed, if anything, the more that feminists actually take up Mszzzzzzzzzzz Bouchard's calls to fight their case on the internet, the bloodier will be the ensuing verbal bath.
2. Most men, including myself, are not going to waste their precious time surfing around in any of the menstrual miasmas that feminist women are likely to create on the internet. (They will already have had enough of these from the mainstream media.) Instead, they will spend their time crawling around men's websites. And if a few of them do happen to chance upon any feminist-inspired comments to do with 'the gender war' on the internet, then they are more than likely to pull out the worst bits from them and simply feed them to the men's websites to give them extra ammunition.
3. As mentioned above, the greater is the public interest generated in gender issues, the worse - not the better- will it be for Mszzzzzzzzzzzzz Bouchard and her feminist friends.
4. Men just love to fight! They love battles, competitions and challenges. Goodness me. They will even spend an inordinate amount of their time just watching teams of other men battling against each other by simply kicking, whacking or potting balls of some sort. They will spend ages studying complex strategies in board games, card games and video games. They are exhilarated by dangerous sports. They are absorbed by knotty problems. They are captivated by difficult tasks.
Men really do enjoy things that challenge them.
And they will put 100 times more effort than women into competitive activities.
And so if Mszzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Bouchard thinks that men's activists will be any different when it comes to taking part in any battles to do with gender on the internet, she is going to be in for a severe shock. And the more that she tries to thwart their activities on the internet, the more enthusiastically will they take up the challenge.
So, go ahead Mszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Bouchard.
For over two decades men and boys have been successfully demonised and discriminated against by the loathsome tactics of your feminist cronies. But the growing men's movement is about to change all that. And there is absolutely nothing that you can do to stop this from happening.
Nothing.
Finally, here is some hate speech that Mszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Bouchard will not be seeking to prosecute.
'My feelings about men are the result of my experience. I have little sympathy for them. Like a Jew just released from Dachau, I watch the handsome young Nazi soldier fall writhing to the ground with a bullet in his stomach and I look briefly and walk on. I don't even need to shrug. I simply don't care. What he was, as a person, I mean, what his shames and yearnings were, simply don't matter." Marilyn French; The Woman's Room.
"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman." Catherine MacKinnon
"To call a man an animal is to flatter him; he's a machine, a walking dildo." Valerie Solanas
"I want to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig." Andrea Dworkin
"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them." Robin Morgan
And so here is my message to Mszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Bouchard and to her revolting, bigoted, sexist cronies ...

G.F.Y.

[Disaffected]

It is now time for men to consider where they will seek their true sanctuary.

Will it be a place, an off-shore exotic paradise, or a condo post-divorce?

Just to sleep without terror would be a good thing....

"It's a terrible thing... living in fear." (a quote from an actor in the Ridley Scott classic film -- Blade Runner.)

[FFFF]

100% correct Rob. They need "education".. The feminists and manginas kill the innocent to hide their "mistakes".. They hate to see the reality of their actions pull in front of the public..

Being a "misogynist" has never stopped me from being popular with the quality fish..

Its easy to educate a femi-nazi. Just pin them down and slip 12" of common sense into em! They rapidily sweeten up once they realise that they will have no options that will allow them to escape the inevitable.. Hey, they love it! The truth is always best recieved by those who have been most lied to and decieved.. But once they get over a certain age, why bother? They will become extinct anyway with their sick ideas and their legacy of their aborted children waiting to greet them in hell..

Just be wary of listening to any woman over 30 who is not happily married and with a wholesome family..

[FFFF]

100% correct Rob. They need "education".. The feminists and manginas kill the innocent to hide their "mistakes".. They hate to see the reality of their actions pull in front of the public..

Being a "misogynist" has never stopped me from being popular with the quality fish..

Its easy to educate a femi-nazi. Just pin them down and slip 12" of common sense into em! They rapidily sweeten up once they realise that they will have no options that will allow them to escape the inevitable.. Hey, they love it! The truth is always best recieved by those who have been most lied to and decieved.. But once they get over a certain age, why bother? They will become extinct anyway with their sick ideas and their legacy of their aborted children waiting to greet them in hell..

Just be wary of listening to any woman over 30 who is not happily married and with a wholesome family..

[Tyrael]

This is absurd and not necessary. There needs to be freedom of speech and expression. Otherwise freedom will gradually be replaced with more and more restrictions which creates a negative downward spiral = decline, fall of such civilizations.

[mirwalk]

It seems if they can't keep you from thinking that you are being screwed and losing thier power. Then they will just outlaw the ability for you to complain. Sounds like old government when you couldn't complain about the king. We had a whole revolution about it.
Of course with women as 51% of the population then they could pass any law they wanted if they stood up togehter.

I feel rather oppressed myself. I am in the most hated group in America.

I am a Man. Not just any man a White man. So according to the women I am the cause of all thier problems, and to minorities thiers. Then I am catholic which means I am a religous nut to anybody who isn't a catholic. (I don't act like that, but that is the perception of the group). I am young so I get the negative connotations. And finally I am from the midwest so I must be a country bumpkin.
It might only get worse if I was Jewish.

Yet under none of those categories do I fall under a protected group. Seems everyone else is protected, but me.

[bola]

I feel rather oppressed myself. I am in the most hated group in America.

White religious heterosexual man. You're in four bad categories. Next to you comes the devil. He trails a bit, because he doesn't want to be seen with you.

[mirwalk]

White religious heterosexual man. You're in four bad categories. Next to you comes the devil. He trails a bit, because he doesn't want to be seen with you.

Funny, but damn true...

[John Dias]

Its easy to educate a femi-nazi. Just pin them down and slip 12" of common sense into em! They rapidily sweeten up once they realise that they will have no options that will allow them to escape the inevitable.. Hey, they love it!

I'd say that was a tad corrosive, Drex. You're just feeding the feminist myth about "hateful MRAs" and the "illegitimacy" of male concerns.


As far as what Rob had to say, I agree that it would be folly (for the State) to surround an MRA with a bunch of falsely accused men. In no time, you've got falsely accused men who are now educated. People in jail have enormous amounts of time in which to fill their minds with information. It's a perfect incubator for fomenting political activity, positive in this case.

But I think embracing incarceration is the last route we should take. Why not surround yourself with divorced men, say in a support group, and enlighten them as an MRA? You might take for granted that support groups for divorced men agree with the MRA point of view. MANY DO NOT, or are just muddling through without proper direction. We could take our message there as well, perhaps as guest speakers. I was on a radio program just a little over a week ago (I phoned it in) and this program is broadcast specifically to divorced fathers, with a coverage area in the Santa Cruz area of northern California in the U.S. We could be doing things like that too.

The point is that we don't need to go to prison to get the word out; but if we did, like Rob pointed out, we'd literally have a captive audience.

[MAUS]

A call to action,

This is an historic opportunity. If Canada becomes the first country in the western world to rid itself of the feminist lamprey that has attached itself to our democracies, it will make this so much easier for MRA's in other countries.

This is the link that leads to the infamous call to McCarthy list all those who dared to criticize feminism.

http://www.swc-cfc.gc.ca/pubs/pubspr...7/index_e.html

This is the link for your feedback.....after the way I got in Sheila Copps' face they desided to take out the direct link to the Minister of Heritages' e-mail


http://www.swc-cfc.gc.ca/cgi-bin/pub...7/index_e.html
Here is how I answered this form


1. Was the report useful to you? .......Very usefull

a) Which part of the report did you find most helpful?...... It, with the possible exception of the SCUM manifesto, has been the most outrageous feminist pronouncement in history and has served to unite and mobilize the Men's Rights Activism movement, REAL women, the independent feminist forum, and the second wives club and exposed feminism for the calous mean spirited doctrine that it really is.

2. How did you use the report? As a tool in: Advocacy

3. Are you affiliated with:....OTHER.......I am the meanest rat in the pack that came after SOW

4. Other comments:.....In order to pretend that you speak for women collectively, you have to go through two little inconveniences, the first inconvenience is that you have to get elected, the second inconvenience is that you have to stay elected. We have indeed been foolish enough to elect some real witches, those who insisted on being witches once in power did not stay elected. You simply cannot post gauleiters of political correctness at the ballot box. If the current Conservative regieme wants to prevent this from re-emerging, they should take a long hard look at post secondary funding to the mutual admiration society that benefited from it and perpetuated one of the worst injustices in Canadian history. By the way, I happen to be a graduate of Mount Saint Vincent University and I would rather let a tarantula lay it's eggs in my ear than be compelled to attend "sensitivity training"

[bachelor tom]

"...inciting hatred on the basis of gender should be a hate crime..."

maybe, but if so radical feminists should be at the top of the list

[FFFF]

To all those who think we should be putting on a front of caring compassion in the face of the femi-nazi onslaught..

Why?

We are regarded as hateful, nasty men, when we are not, so we have nothing to lose when we pretend we are!

[Male-Rights-Network]

This will either be the thing that buries the nail in the coffin of male activism, or it will be the thing that causes the flames to rise up out of control. There is a percievable hostility among males today because we are being discriminated against and under-represented in the media, law and education. Much of this is latent discontent however, which never reaches the public spotlight. Moves to cut off communication channels on the Internet might be just the thing that invigorates the movement.

I'm sorry to have to say this, but America is the trendsetter of the West. When it comes to social policy (or disintegration), America starts and the rest of the world follow suit. America has given us some very positive things though, for example the Internet. I am beginning to wonder if the Internet happened to "slip through the net" and now the powers that be are plotting ways to neuter it as a means of political agitation and solidarity. The Internet, as my Bebo page says, is the last refuge of the 21st Century man; the only place where he can exercise free thought and speech. Now that could be taken away. And you can be sure, if America does bring this law in, Europe and the rest of the West will follow. It affects me immensely even though I'm not American!

In any event, antimisandry.com hardly qualifies as a "hate" website. It's representing a democratic need for men to express their concerns on society. Most posters on this site are making rational, reasonable social commentry. And it's a fact that social structures today disadvantage men. We look at things from a wider philosophical, historical viewpoint, and there are women contributors to the site which are generally well received.

If it were the case, as said above, that antimisandry.com and others are hate websites, then most feminist website which tout anti-male feminist hate literature fall under the same category. Except that those feminist websites truly are hate websites for a hate movement; here we are engaging in reasonable discussion.

It's incredible that we are sleepwalking into an Orwellian 1984. What.. We no longer have the right to discuss our opinions? We cannot think certain thoughts? We cannot exercise freedom of speech? Are you sure we're living in a democratic society?? Because this is resembling the thought control of Communist Orwellian systems. And it's very ****ing scary.

We need to resist without a doubt. We need to buy ourselves another two or three years to defeat the legislation in its current guise. It will come back again and again under different guises, but we must defeat this attempt. We (or rather you, who live in America) must use your civil liberties to take to the streets, the airwaves and whatever you can to raise awareness and raise up the heat. You must be prepared to rebel and fight. We're buying ourselves time on this one, but it will be worth it.

Otherwise, the legislation will be passed and this site could be axed under thought-control PC legislation. And I, who doesn't live in America, will not be able to access my only outlet against anti-male bias. I must turn to the effeminate media for advice? You must be kidding. We should seriously consider forming a core group of MRA activists that contact each other by e-mail, mail and phone regularly. Maybe we should buy an island together as a safe haven, as someone suggested above? (I wish that was a joke, but desperate times...) There we can co-ordinate activism and house our web servers with the effeminate West while ICANN still doesn't have the power to shut down domains (how long before that will come to pass I wonder :roll: ).

The concerns are huge, the stakes are huge - if we cannot communicate we are at a severe handicap. There's something like 30 simultaneous like-minded users on this site. That 30 has the power to influence; but that 30 is dispersed across the globe. Our ability to find like-minded people is aided by the global Internet. How do we find like-minded people - who are not afraid to speak up and discuss - in our little community if only 30 make themselves available throughout the whole world.

Action is needed, men. As a matter of urgency.