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Where else but in the good old USA does anyone have the freedom to work 70 hours per week and only get paid for 40?

Good point. But alas, UK certainly isn't far behind... if not already 'equal'.

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In regards to CM's work ethic, while it is admirable that she desires to make a large contribution to her macro-group (race, religion, nation)

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What I desire is not to fail. I desire not to f-up. Although, fail or not, I won't get fired, because no one in her or his right mind would work for this POS company - call it a certain sort of job security - I just know I'm sick to death of it. It's my own fault there's nothing better than this for me, and I shouldn't complain - because I have a job at least - and health care - but it's just sucking the lifeblood from me.

And that's my point. CM sounds just like some burned out middle aged guy. I thought we had plenty of those already. Why can't the girls just do something else?

Glitz,

They say, "ignorance is bliss." Is it true?

In the last few decades all I have heard from women is them telling me women are superior.The media, polticians telling me women are superior mentally - and we have the hilarious sights of women in movies kicking the LS out of big burly men.
As regarding leadership I think the mixed workplace is a disaster there should be women leading women and men leading men.The police is a prime example where female officers are given promotion via affirmitive action - not merit.So you have female officers over men with more experience and more likely to suffer injury in riots or apprehending crooks.
By alll means have a female force but seperate from men.This would also end those costly time wasting law suits on sexual harrassment and "discrimination" cases.
To be honest I really think men should opt out more and more of everything in this pc infested hell we are in now. Go our own way through self employment.
I have heard of many women who have made it - on merit in business where earnings are highest of all. Some are happy, some are lonely and feel unfulfilled and take to drinking and it seems to me women find it lonelier at the top - even with other women around them.
Mind you work is merely well - work it is a means to an end bread and shelter thats all.
The obsession with comparing men and women started with feminists.It leads to interminable discussions like this one! It is obvious men and women are - DIFFERENT and not equal which means the same. They are of equal importance and actually to think yourself superior than ANYONE for whatever reason is folly and pride and pride comes before a fall.I have met men and women - smarter, more talented,taller,more athletic etc. than me but so what ?I have less to worry about than them and I accept my limitations and try to keep pride in check it leads to a zen like peace...well almost might need some work...LOL

Glitz,

They say, "ignorance is bliss." Is it true?

1)I know full well what your saying, but want to debate rather than hurl accusations.
2)I guess the debate is over yeah?

2)I guess the debate is over yeah?

Why Glitz?

To be honest I really think men should opt out more and more of everything in this pc infested hell we are in now. Go our own way through self employment.

Yes Brad, good idea (for the meantime).
But when we become old and unattractive men,what do we do next? Embrace our dogs, just as the ageing Feminazis embrace their cats?

The only consolation of that strategy is that the females will feel the pinch first. In fact they already are.

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And that's my point. CM sounds just like some burned out middle aged guy. I thought we had plenty of those already. Why can't the girls just do something else?

Glitz,

They say, "ignorance is bliss." Is it true?

What, precisely, would you like the "girls" to do? Please fill me in. I'm literally hanging, wondering what facade I should present here. Wouldn't want to disillusion anyone.

Yan Yan good to talk to you again!As usual providing level headed good common sense.Yes I know I have been thinking a lot and in spite of my angry outbursts re the gals and their subjectivity.I often think how cool it would to have a decent gentle intelligent girl friend ( the gals in your neck of the woods sound Generally speaking -of course better t)who does not try to change you etc etc.I am still a full blooded male who finds women attractive but my logical side kicks in and says:
" I CANT PERMIT THAT BRAD YOU'D BE CLEANED OUT IN THE DIVORCE COURTS"
...among other things like horrific risks of false allegations if you ask out at work etc.
Failing that embrace a more spartan way of life become a monk (angryharry suggested this somewhere) or something...Are they allowed to have beer...?one luxury I would find hard to do without...

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Why Glitz?

Because when the only rebuttal is

They say, "ignorance is bliss." Is it true?

I dont think a serious discussion is likely.

I should have been clear, I only meant the debate between me and him, not anyone else.

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What, precisely, would you like the "girls" to do? Please fill me in. I'm literally hanging, wondering what facade I should present here. Wouldn't want to disillusion anyone.

Come come, you know your only good for dishes and making babies. Your so inferior, how do you manage to operate the internet? I guess it was explained to you in terms of housework:

"Computing for Women Lession 1. This is a mouse, no not a REAL mouse, try thinking of it as a duster......"

Hey guys and gals, .. easy...
Glitz said:

Come come, you know your only good for dishes and making babies. Your so inferior, how do you manage to operate the internet? I guess it was explained to you in terms of housework:
"Computing for Women Lession 1. This is a mouse, no not a REAL mouse, try thinking of it as a duster......"

I'll gladly buy you a beer Glitz if you could just admit that was just a little over the top. We've all been there and felt the negative force welling up. Bombing civilians, least of all potential allies, is not the answer.
Brad said

the gals in your neck of the woods sound Generally speaking -of course better

Well perhaps. But first you have to find a way to support yourself in a third world country - problem. You could find a real beauty and take her west, where she might learn feminist ways and rip you off at the same time as she's looking for her next victim. Asian women have a high market value - Bigger problem.
To be fair to CM, she probably sympathizes with the Men's movement because she did what she thought was right and was conned. Welcome to the brotherhood, CM.

And in conclusion ......
Opting out is fine if you have somewhere else to go. Just look at the pattern of American divorce. Many options for women, few for men.
If men really want to vote with their feet. Options are the key - :MGTOW:

Good to hear from you Brad - hold on to the 'big picture'.

The responses from Glitz and CM are responses that I can get from a thousand places and a million different people. The responses from Yan Yan and Brad are unique. While I am certain we won't agree on everything, I don't think we'd have much trouble being allies. Glitz and CM confuse me, I don't know why they are here.

I can't say I've experienced any issues understanding CM's or Glitz's posts, nor have I had issues comprehending the intentions behind their posts or replies.
I have to say though, I'm a little concerned about your intentions upon this board. Without attempting to instill hostilities between ourselves, I get an uneasy feeling you're purpose is to cause disharmony and perhaps dissention. I say this and refer to the two threads you're related to.
1) women = inferior ... That is not the intention of this board. It is not a message this board wants to convey.
2) men/women = different ... again, you seem to hold on to the above (women/inferior) appeal.

Neither myself nor the board as an entity are intended to cause dissention between sexes, but rather to fight the current trend of misandry, not promote misogyny - no matter how subtle.

Well then, it seems that their responses are entirely in character for what you intend for this forum. In this case, I don't understand why Yan Yan and Brad are here.

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Hey guys and gals, .. easy...
I'll gladly buy you a beer Glitz if you could just admit that was just a little over the top.

It seems clear to me what Westminister is suggesting.

Furthermore, it takes no great effort of logic to realize that the reason England is turning into Pakistan, is because the English Women has decided that she will not do her duty. So, take your Union Jacks down, for they offend the strange people, who now call England, THEIRS!

What is this duty that westminister speaks of? He has yet to actualy specify but I thought it was obvious to everyone, perhaps not.

Do you not think westminister is sugesting women would be at home making babies?

Until he clarifies his point, I think its reasonable to assume this is what he means, (and I am ignoring the other implication of what he is saying as its O/T) so I dont see my responce was unreasonable.

Unless you thought I was serious??

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Glitz and CM confuse me, I don't know why they are here.

I wish to talk and debate (esp with feminists, in flipside which is where i started out here) about how men are discriminated against, and more importantly, how such discrimination is IGNORED.

I do NOT wish to dominate women. I do NOT think men OR women have 'a place' other than where they want to be. I dont think women are inferior, I dont hate women. Its not even specifically feminsts I hate, its society's attitude and the attitude of those that make the law, who are both men and women. I do blame feminist lies, but my hatred is of those that perpetrate misandry, and tolerate it because its common.

That is why I am here.

...and because I can't get mensactivism.org to work :lol: