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    Found in an study about shopping....for those interested read all, the numbers are red.

    'Men Buy, Women Shop': The Sexes Have Different Priorities When Walking Down the Aisles

    Published: November 28, 2007 in Knowledge@Wharton


    When it comes to shopping, women are from Nordstrom's and men are from Sears.


    Women are happy to meander through sprawling clothing and accessory collections or detour through the shoe department. They like to glide up glass escalators past a grand piano, or spray a perfume sample on themselves on their way to, maybe, making a purchase. For men, shopping is a mission. They are out to buy a targeted item and flee the store as quickly as possible, according to new Wharton research.


    In a study titled, "Men Buy, Women Shop," researchers at Wharton's Jay H. Baker Retail Initiative and the Verde Group, a Toronto consulting firm, found that women react more strongly than men to personal interaction with sales associates. Men are more likely to respond to more utilitarian aspects of the experience -- such as the availability of parking, whether the item they came for is in stock, and the length of the checkout line.
    "Women tend to be more invested in the shopping experience on many dimensions," says Robert Price, chief marketing officer at CVS Caremark and a member of the Baker advisory board. "Men want to go to Sears, buy a specific tool and get out."


    As one female shopper between the ages of 18 and 35 told the researchers: "I love shopping. I love shopping even when I have a deadline. I just love shopping." Compare that to this response from a male in the same age group who described how men approach retailing: "We're going to this store and we buy it and we leave because we want to do something else."


    Price says women's role as caregiver persists even as women's professional responsibilities mount. He speculates that this responsibility contributes to women's more acute shopping awareness and higher expectations. On the other hand, after generations of relying on women to shop effectively for them, men's interest in shopping has atrophied.



    According to Wharton marketing professor Stephen J. Hoch, shopping behavior mirrors gender differences throughout many aspects of life. "Women think of shopping in an inter-personal, human fashion and men treat it as more instrumental. It's a job to get done," he says, adding that the data has implications for retailers interested in developing a more segmented approach to build and maintain loyalty among male and female customers.


    Feeling Important vs. Checking Out Fast

    "Men Buy, Women Shop" also found that women are more likely to experience problems while shopping than men -- 53% vs. 48%, with women over age 40 reporting more problems than men in the same age group.
    For women, "lack of help when needed" is the top problem (29%). It is also the likeliest reason that stores lose the business of women shoppers. Indeed, according to an analysis of the study's data, about 6% of all female shoppers could be lost to stores due to lack of sales help. Men, however, ranked "difficulty in finding parking close to the store's entrance" as the number one problem (also 29%). The problem most likely to result in lost business from men is if the product they came to buy is out of stock; about 5% of all male shoppers could be lost to stores for this reason.


    Male and female shoppers also have different reactions to sales associates. For men, an associate's interest in helping them find an item is most important, followed by the sales associate's effort in getting them through checkout quickly. For women, store loyalty is related to sales associates' familiarity with the products in the store and an ability to determine what products best suit the customer. Women shoppers also value sales associates who make them feel important, according to the survey.
    In an interview with researchers, one woman in the 18 to 35 bracket described the employees in a favorite store. "The sales associates are always great. They always show me different styles. They will show me something new that's come in." Meanwhile, a man in the same age bracket said this: "I haven't had much interaction with most sales people. I don't really need them -- as long as they're at the checkout."


    Paula Courtney, president of the Verde Group, suggests that the attitudes expressed toward sales associates reflect subtle, but important, differences between men and women. When asked what problem would make respondents so angry they would never return to a store, women cited employees who "acted like you were intruding on their time or their own conversations." Men were most miffed by employees who were "lazy, i.e., would not check for additional stock or take you to the item you were looking for."


    Courtney points out that for women, it's more personal. For men, problems with associates are still linked directly to getting the item they need. "Women are more apt to be angered by a lack of engagement behavior from the sales associates. For men, while engagement is still important, it's not as important as the product and getting in and out quickly."


    Retailers can use the study findings to tailor services to build sales, she said. "In a highly competitive market, where people are price-sensitive and there are tons of choices, if you can get one more strategy up your sleeve that gives you that edge, then why not?" she asks. "If we treat men and women differently, then we are going to be more successful." Erin Armendinger, managing director of the Baker initiative, puts it this way: "Men and women are simply different," she says. "It's important for retailers to remember it's not only what they're purchasing, but how they're doing it."


    Price suggests that retailers who want to improve their ability to reach shoppers based on gender can take some concrete steps. First, however, they must be sure that their operations are running as smoothly as possible in order to avoid irritations, such as out-of-stock merchandise or a lack of advertising circulars that diminish the shopping experience for men and women both. He also says that efforts to reach out to women shoppers cannot be superficial, such as simply putting up signs or changing the color of uniforms.


    Communication is critical to reaching women shoppers, Price adds. Sales associates need to understand whether the shopper is looking for a product that will come out of disposable income, such as cosmetics, or a more essential and difficult to understand product -- such as an over-the-counter drug or first aid treatment. Helping shoppers in those two different categories requires different styles of communication. Sales associates must be trained to recognize and react to shoppers' cues.



    Retailers hoping to appeal to women shoppers also need to devote attention to editing their assortment of items, Price says. Managers may be tempted to offer a wide swath of products, but he cites research showing that women who have to balance many responsibilities prefer stores with limited selections, such as Coach, Trader Joe's and Sephora.
    Finally, he says, hiring women throughout the ranks will bring retailers more in touch with what women want. At his company, women make up the majority of sales associates and are heavily represented in the marketing department. No idea gets floated too far before a woman can reflect on how it might impact her own life, he notes.


    The Many Faces of the Sales Associate

    Women spend $4 trillion annually and account for 83% of U.S. consumer spending, which makes up two-thirds of the nation's gross national product, according to WomenCertified, a women's consumer advocacy and retail training organization headquartered in Hollywood, Fla., which also worked on the study.


    The "Men Buy, Women Shop" study is based on a random, national sample of 1,250 shoppers who were asked about a recent shopping experience in telephone interviews conducted from October 20 to November 4, 2007. The sample was dominated, two to one, by females.


    While many of the study's findings do not come as a surprise to retailers, the hard data may help companies focus better on some of the problems cited by men and women, according to Delia Passi, founder of WomenCertified. She says retailers have long sensed the differences between men and women as shoppers. "It goes back to gatherers versus hunters. Women are gatherers. Men are hunters. Women walk into a store and scan. Men look for a specific aisle." Scientific research, she notes, shows women have better peripheral vision than men, which would benefit them as gatherers.


    Passi says the underlying attitudes that frame the shopping experience for men and women -- with women more focused on the experience; men on the mission -- do not necessarily play into sexist stereotypes of women as more emotional and weaker. "When it comes to the retail experience, men and women both go into the store to buy something, only she wants more. She wants more interaction. She wants more eye contact. He wants quick answers while she's looking for support and collaboration in the buying process." Passi acknowledged that many of the observations revealed in the survey still reflect generalities and that many women and men do not fit into the broader patterns. Indeed, as the owner of her own business, she is pressed for time and often behaves more like the survey's male respondents when shopping.


    According to Hoch, the recent study, along with other Baker research, indicates that sales associates are critical to retail operations because employees are one way competitors can differentiate themselves from one another to gain market share. "It's hard to do anything about parking or the mall being too crowded, but they can do things about the sales associates," he notes. "What I found interesting is how women tend to be more focused on people while men act almost as if they are dealing with an ATM machine. In fact, they want to deal with an ATM machine. They really don't want to deal with a person."


    Courtney acknowledges that responding to the study's findings adds another responsibility for sales associates who are often already juggling many different priorities on the retail floor. "At the end of the day, a sales associate has to be multifaceted," she says. "They have to be an engager, an expediter and an educator. They must be authentic, but what this study tells us is those buttons have to be turned on and off -- or turned on more or less -- depending on whether you are dealing with a man or a woman."


    She says retailers need to step up and deliver more sophisticated, segmented service, not only taking into account gender, but also age, ethnicity and regional differences. "There's no such thing as customer homogeneity. We're not a homogeneous bunch at all. Yet as organizations, we end up treating customers as one big happy family. You've got all sorts of demographic and psychographic forces at play."


    Gender, she notes, is one of the easier customer attributes to address in a strategic fashion. Truly sophisticated marketers could get into attempting to differentiate services by gender and age or between professional women and those who manage households full-time. "At some level, what is practical and ideal start to diverge, but I think gender is a pretty simple segment to do differently."

    'Men Buy, Women Shop': The Sexes Have Different Priorities When Walking Down the Aisles - Knowledge@Wharton




    From Angry Harry:
    Men earn quarter of a million pounds more than women during the course of their lifetimes! The article Women Do Not Deserve Equal Pay explains some of the reasons why it is that, statistically speaking, women earn less than men. And it explains why there is nothing sinister about this, for the figures simply demonstrate the consequences of women's biology and the choices that they make.
    Here we look at the ridiculous, distorted propaganda propounded by the EOC, squeezed out from the very same figures.
    The EOC is currently trumpeting the fact that men, on average, earn quarter of a million pounds more than women during the course of their lifetimes, and that, therefore, this reveals some terrible injustice being done to women.
    So, let's look at what this figure really means.
    Firstly, it means that men pay about £90,000 more in taxes than do women. In other words, the average man puts £90,000 more into the pot than does an average women. Your average man is therefore supporting women to the tune of £90,000. Just one average man!
    Bearing in mind also, that when it comes to benefits, such as health, pensions and income support, a whopping 70% of the budget is actually spent on women's needs, it is absolutely clear that the support, in the UK, given by men to women, is phenomenal, and it shows just how much the men in the UK truly hand over to women via the government coffers.
    Further, men also hand money over directly to women when they stay at home to look after the kids. And why shouldn't they stay at home to look after the kids if that's what the pair of them want? Why should feminists try to make women go out and earn the same as their partners?
    So, what do the feminazis at the EOC do with these figures? Well, as usual, they twist their real meanings and turn them into man-hating propaganda. Thus, they are currently squawking loudly about this quarter of a million pounds with a deliberately distorted spin designed to make women feel aggrieved, disadvantaged and hateful towards men.
    But let me show you something.
    Imagine that the figures were the other way round. Imagine that women earned quarter of a million pounds more than men during the course of their lifetimes. What would the feminazis at the EOC be saying then? It doesn't take much imagination, does it?
    Here are the headlines.
    "Women are having to do all the work. Women pay more taxes than men. The tax laws are discriminatory because they take more from women." And do you know what would happen next? There would be a major government initiative to stop benefits for men, and demand that they take up any work that was on offer. The government would set different tax rates for men and women in order to make sure that men could not benefit from 'sex-discriminatory' tax laws.
    But the EOC figures show that UK men put hell of a lot more into the pot, and they take hell of a lot less out of it. And it is still the case that while men die seven years earlier than women, they are still expected to work for five more years before receiving their pensions.
    This is going to change in the future, thanks to Brussels and the European Commission. But do notice that, working for five years longer and receiving seven years less of pension, adds up to a massive twelve years of financial injustice. A truly blatant, ongoing act of sex discrimination. An enormous act of discrimination. And what has the EOC done about this? Nothing. Nothing at all.
    People really must take on board the fact that the EOC is a feminist organisation dominated by all the selfish, self-centred slogans of feminism. It is probably the most sex-discriminatory body in the land, despite its cosy name, and it should have been abolished a long time ago.
    An Equal Opportunities Commission whose sole aim seems to be to diminish and demean constantly one half of the population by distorting the facts, the figures and their implications, cannot be allowed to continue to exist.
    The EOC costs a fortune, but all it does is stir up anger and resentment within women against the very men who support them - and massively so.
    Do the feminists at the EOC really want women to have to work for the same number of hours as men, doing the same types of jobs, for the same number of years, for the same pay, putting the same proportion of money into the pot, and getting the same amount out?
    And if so, who is going to look after the kids?
    The stupidity of Feminism, and hence of the EOC, is that in its blind, hysterical vindictiveness toward men, it actually hurts all real women as well, particularly the majority of women, who do not want to devote most of their lives and their energies to whatever it is that they might have to do to earn a decent wage.
    A few million UK women want to be mothers who stay at home, or just do jobs part time. What is wrong with that?
    And while so many women continue to CHOOSE to do this, men are BOUND, statistically speaking, to be earning more than women.
    Men Should Earn More than Women
    The men's and fathers' movement needs to make sure it never sees females as the enemy,
    but only misandry--whether from females or from males.
    If not, we'll become like the bigoted feminists that this movement was formed to oppose.
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    sure is so ! of course the butthead can't earn it as fast as she wants to fritter it away

    shopping builds a wimins self esteem and is an expression of her personality blah bleah blah

    anyway so the feminit wimins magazines report

    of course if he slackens a visit to the Family Court will settle the issue

    denial of a shopping allowance is deemed as abuse nowdays which has dire consequences for him

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    Another pile of wasted money. There's nothing new here. Men don't like to aimlessly wander about looking at things. Women like to see all that there is to see. The worst is when your grilfriend/wife wants you to go shopping with them, and they get agitated when you don't want to. Yet they get POed when you want them to watch the game (or play video games) with you. me me me me, that's what it's all about with the ones who like to shop. One glimmer of hope: I do know a few women who do not like to shop, or at least don't like to spend lots of time at it. I wonder if that number is increasing? Kinda like the anti-brides?
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    Another reason why the 'wage gap' is no example of prejudice against women, in an overall sense. Even if it WERE down to discrimination (which it isn't), women are clearly still the ones who SPEND the friggin' money; and what good is earning money, if you're not the one to spend it? Average earnings figures simply couldn't be misleading.

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    Another reason why the 'wage gap' is no example of prejudice against women, in an overall sense. Even if it WERE down to discrimination (which it isn't), women are clearly still the ones who SPEND the friggin' money; and what good is earning money, if you're not the one to spend it? Average earnings figures simply couldn't be misleading.

    Its the way its always been and always will be. Expecting women to be selfish is not realistic. At best women can appreciate men and even that fake and only to assure he keeps pouring money her way.

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    'aint that the truth'

    My wife likes me to go shopping with her because she can't decide what she should buy, what she should put back and when it's time to go. 20+ years and she still can't make simple decisions. I hate shopping with her.
    so why go?

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    Yet another reason for me to remain celibate and unmarried!

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    As usual AH scores goals like he was playing Aussie Rules.

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    Yet another reason for me to remain celibate and unmarried!
    Me too, Zuberi. I make my own money and I'm the one who spends it and I don't have to answer to anyone else about the how's and why's and what for's. It's great!

    On the topic, I despise grocery shopping. It's so mundane.

    On the other hand, recently I had to buy a new wardrobe ( a few sets of dressy clothes) for a new work position that requires a more formal image than the one I had previously. Buying myself some new outfits was actually fun! I can't recall a time (ever) where I got to do that. And the best part of all, I could afford to do it. First time for that, too.

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    On the other hand, recently I had to buy a new wardrobe ( a few sets of dressy clothes) for a new work position that requires a more formal image than the one I had previously. Buying myself some new outfits was actually fun!
    why was it fun? I hate shopping for clothes but I really hate shopping for work clothes. The fact that your employer makes you dress fancy at your job is typical employer oppression.


    And the best part of all, I could afford to do it. First time for that, too.
    What happened, did your oppressive, piece of shit employer give you a raise? If so, congradulations. He/she/it will still be destroyed when the the revolution comes.




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    Me too, Zuberi. I make my own money and I'm the one who spends it and I don't have to answer to anyone else about the how's and why's and what for's. It's great!

    On the topic, I despise grocery shopping. It's so mundane.

    On the other hand, recently I had to buy a new wardrobe ( a few sets of dressy clothes) for a new work position that requires a more formal image than the one I had previously. Buying myself some new outfits was actually fun! I can't recall a time (ever) where I got to do that. And the best part of all, I could afford to do it. First time for that, too.
    For me, shopping for clothes is always a pain in the padded ass! It isn't easy being 6"3' 270lbs, oh and I wear a size 14!!

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    why was it fun? I hate shopping for clothes but I really hate shopping for work clothes. The fact that your employer makes you dress fancy at your job is typical employer oppression.




    What happened, did your oppressive, piece of shit employer give you a raise? If so, congradulations. He/she/it will still be destroyed when the the revolution comes.




    Death to work!
    Otis,

    I can always count on your posts to bring a much needed and appreciated smile to my face.

    Yes I have to conform to a dress code, but I don't mind. It's understandable. I suppose I might mind if I had not the means (money) to comply with the code. But as it is, yes I got a raise, and before that I've been putting much of my pay into savings so I have a bit of a cushion for things such as this and emergencies.

    I think the reason that shopping for clothes was fun is because 1) I haven't done that so long I don't remember when the last time was, and 2) I've never had to "dress up" on a daily basis, and looking nice actually feels kind of nice, and 3) I've never (until now) managed to find my own "style". I mean, way back in school people dressed a lot a like. So there's nothing very self-identifying (or special) about that. After high school, and all throughout most of my adult years I was a homemaker so what I wore was no big deal...in fact, cleaning and yard work never required any particular sort of wardrobe except that which didn't matter if it got stained or torn...lol! So...I've never got to develop a personal style. I've never worn anything that reflected my own tastes or personality. Now I do. And it's not the clothes themselves that are all that exciting- it's developing my own tastes that is kind of cool. Hope that makes sense!
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    For me, shopping for clothes is always a pain in the padded ass! It isn't easy being 6"3' 270lbs, oh and I wear a size 14!!
    I've heard it is hard for big guys to find clothes and shoes that fit right. Women can find anything (from petite to legendarily large) because women's clothing and shoe shops dominate (they're EVERYWHERE.) There ought to be more shopping outlets exclusively for men!

    "Civilization can only revive when there shall come into being in a number of individuals a new tone of mind, independent of the prevalent one among the crowds, and in opposition to it- a tone of mind which will gradually win influence over the collective one, and in the end determine its character. Only an ethical movement can rescue us from barbarism, and the ethical comes into existence only in individuals."

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    Otis,

    I can always count on your posts to bring a much needed and appreciated smile to my face.
    that's what they pay me for

    Yes I have to conform to a dress code, but I don't mind.
    I mind. They are oppressing you. They have no right to tell you what you can and can't wear. That is, unless you directly deal with clients.

    I think the reason that shopping for clothes was fun is because 1) I haven't done that so long I don't remember when the last time was,
    not a good reason

    and 2) I've never had to "dress up" on a daily basis, and looking nice actually feels kind of nice, and
    I agree that it feels nice but taking the clothes to the dry cleaners is a pain in the balls.


    3) I've never (until now) managed to find my own "style". I mean, way back in school people dressed a lot a like. So there's nothing to self-identifying (or special) about that. After high school, and all throughout most of my adult years I was a homemaker
    I thought you were a nurse?


    so what I wore was no big deal...in fact, cleaning and yard work never required any particular sort of wardrobe except that which didn't matter if it got stained or torn...lol! So...I've never got to develop a personal style. I've never worn anything that reflected my own tastes or personality. Now I do. And it's not the clothes themselves that are all that exciting- it's developing my own tastes that is kind of cool. Hope that makes sense!
    Yeah it makes sense, but I don't like the oppression. Now that I'm a certified paralegal I'll probably be heading back to the corporate world again in a few weeks and I'll have to dress up myself. But I will only be working as a temp which makes it okay. Working full time for a single employer is oppression.



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    that's what they pay me for



    I mind. They are oppressing you. They have no right to tell you what you can and can't wear. That is, unless you directly deal with clients.



    not a good reason



    I agree that it feels nice but taking the clothes to the dry cleaners is a pain in the balls.




    I thought you were a nurse?




    Yeah it makes sense, but I don't like the oppression. Now that I'm a certified paralegal I'll probably be heading back to the corporate world again in a few weeks and I'll have to dress up myself. But I will only be working as a temp which makes it okay. Working full time for a single employer is oppression.



    Death to work!
    First of all I gotta do this: You crack me up!

    O.k. deep breath.

    So maybe it is oppression to those who hate it, but I'm o.k. with it. So I guess I'm not oppressed. And I'm not a nurse. I'm a counselor...an addictions counselor also known as a "cognitive-behavioral therapist." So yes, I work directly with clients so it does matter how I look...to a degree. I wouldn't mind it if it were a little bit less formal, but there's a code, and I'm o.k. with it.

    And I didn't purchase anything that would need dry-cleaning and nothing that has to be "hand washed separately" or line-dried, or "dried flat" or ironing...no special washing instructions. I don't have the time or patience for that.

    "Civilization can only revive when there shall come into being in a number of individuals a new tone of mind, independent of the prevalent one among the crowds, and in opposition to it- a tone of mind which will gradually win influence over the collective one, and in the end determine its character. Only an ethical movement can rescue us from barbarism, and the ethical comes into existence only in individuals."

    "Until he extends his circle of compassion to include all living things, man will not himself find peace."
    -Albert Schweitzer


 

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