Quote from Popadibs

I never said that the poor are entitled to stuff, however, women have been receiving things free for years way before we were being told by the gov't that we need to "spread the wealth around".

So based on this logic, he should've been angry with the gov't years before now because they were already "spreading the wealth" to women.

Yep, nobody cares about all the welfare going around UNTIL men start getting some of it.

How sexist is that?

Quote from Popadibs

I never said that the poor are entitled to stuff, however, women have been receiving things free for years way before we were being told by the gov't that we need to "spread the wealth around".

So based on this logic, he should've been angry with the gov't years before now because they were already "spreading the wealth" to women.

The spread the wealth theory is older than your grand grand parents. lol

And women getting free things is spreading the wealth around, by the way. Garak is pissed about it because he's a man and he can't get the free stuff. If he was a woman, he wouldn't complain, just like he wants to take from others.

Quote from RebelliousVanilla

Actually no, there will always be poor, no matter what you do. But history proves my point - the further away you move from capitalism, the poor are worse provided for. Socialism means wanting the poor to be poorer as long as the rich are less rich. Those are socialism's results.

China is a great example of moving towards capitalism. How did their people live 50 years ago and how are they doing it now? And they will live better and better as they will stop lending money to the US, which is a drag on the global economy.

So you haven't actually seen capitalism work?

Quote from RebelliousVanilla

Actually no, there will always be poor, no matter what you do. But history proves my point - the further away you move from capitalism, the poor are worse provided for. Socialism means wanting the poor to be poorer as long as the rich are less rich. Those are socialism's results.

China is a great example of moving towards capitalism. How did their people live 50 years ago and how are they doing it now? And they will live better and better as they will stop lending money to the US, which is a drag on the global economy.

What you're saying about the US economy and the economy of China is true. In my business book it is predicted that in a few decades China's quality of life will improve 10000%

Quote from Popadibs

What you're saying about the US economy and the economy of China is true. In my business book it is predicted that in a few decades China's quality of life will improve 10000%

However, will China have pure capitalism?

Quote from Popadibs

What you're saying about the US economy and the economy of China is true. In my business book it is predicted that in a few decades China's quality of life will improve 10000%

You are exaggerating, but yes. China will get better. I'm thinking about starting to learn Mandarin because it is obvious that that's where the future is, which sucks because I'm not that fond of their modern culture. Economic growth is a function of investments and savings, not consumption and borrowing. And by the way, I think that the world is slowly decoupling from the US. Consumption started to increase in other places, for example.

Quote from Garak

However, will China have pure capitalism?

They won't have pure capitalism, but they are heading towards a productive economic system in the future too, while Europe and the US sabotage their productivity through political claptrap. China is heading towards efficiency, the US is heading towards inefficiency. US stocks are overpriced, US houses are overpriced, your economy is 70% services based on the debt towards the rest of the world. This will end.

Quote from Garak

Assuming he is who he says he is....

He may not realize it but he could be pissed off because after working hard all his life and even defending this nation (I assume he was in atleast one war)....he is still treated like shit because he is a man. He may not realize that chivalry was killed thanks to those "womens rights" and he now feels out place in the world.

He is placing his blame in the wrong place, IMO.

On the other hand, he could be just another kid who reads alot of Conservative opinions and repeats them.

Robert A. Hall is for real. He's a marine who's served five terms on the Massachussettes state senate. Here's a bit more info on him from his blog,

http://tartanmarine.blogspot.com/2009/02/robert.html

Robert A. Hall, MEd, CAE, has been an association executive since 1982. He was elected to the Massachusetts State Senate in 1972, defeating a Democrat incumbent by 9 votes out of 60,000. He was reelected 4 times by large margins, and was nominated by both parties in 1976, retiring undefeated 1982. Hall holds an AA from Mount Wachusett Community College, a BA in government from the U Mass and an MEd in history from Fitchburg State. He is a Marine Vietnam veteran, having served four years in the regulars and, while a senator, another six in the reserves, finishing with the rank of Staff Sergeant. A frequently-published freelance writer, Hall’s columns, articles, short stories and poetry have appeared in over 75 publications. His book of anecdotes about the Marines and politics, "The Good Bits," was published by www.authorhouse.com. His book on association management, "Chaos for Breakfast: Practical Help and Humor for the Non-profit Executive," is available at www.asaecenter.org. He married his first wife, Bonnie, in 1992. His granddaughter, Britnye, born in 2000, is the light of his life.

While I agree that it would have been nice if he'd included something about misandry and societal travesties such as the family court system.....that does nothing to invalidate the issues he did address.

Too many people don't want to see women relieved of their entitlement, they simply want that entitlement extended to men. The only thing we're entitled to is the fruits of our own labors. Letting the government 'take care' of us is not a gift, it's a trap. The trap of relinquishing freedoms for security and safety.

Extending the scope and scale of government benefits no one....and nobody should understand that better than men and MRA's who have been the greatest victims of expanded government control and powers.

Government should have only one purpose, to serve the interests of it's people, and it should be kept as small and limited as possible.

What more is necessary to make us a happy and prosperous people? Still one thing more ... a wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from labor the bread it has earned.
Thomas Jefferson

A people that values it's privileges above its principles soon loses both .
Dwight D. Eisenhower

Liberty has never come from the government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of the government. The history of government is a history of resistance. The history of liberty is the history of the limitation of government, not the increase of it.
Woodrow Wilson

Quote from RebelliousVanilla

The spread the wealth theory is older than your grand grand parents. lol

And women getting free things is spreading the wealth around, by the way. Garak is pissed about it because he's a man and he can't get the free stuff. If he was a woman, he wouldn't complain, just like he wants to take from others.

I don't think it's right for people to be forced to lose their hard earned money. It's not fair for them to lose what they work for, that's no different than being forced to pay alimony.

The problem is that we should have been saying the same things we're saying now when women were receiving these programs. It's not that I want men to get free money but I feel that if men shouldn't get free money then no one should and if women get free money then everybody should, it's only fair, however, we don't really have money to give so it's better if neither men nor women receive free programs.

Our society has the mindframe of a bitch because now it's as if americans feel entitled to something they didn't earn. Americans are becoming feministic in our values but women were feministic all along. They should have never gotten any free money in the first place.

If the "spread the wealth" ideals were older than my grand grandparents then why weren't people angry about "spread the wealth" ideals when my grandparents were young and women were receiving all the freebies? People weren't so outraged when women were the beneficiaries.

Quote from RebelliousVanilla

You are exaggerating, but yes. China will get better. I'm thinking about starting to learn Mandarin because it is obvious that that's where the future is, which sucks because I'm not that fond of their modern culture. Economic growth is a function of investments and savings, not consumption and borrowing. And by the way, I think that the world is slowly decoupling from the US. Consumption started to increase in other places, for example.

Naw, my book is the one exaggerating, it's straight from my book lol

Quote from Kim

Robert A. Hall is for real. He's a marine who's served five terms on the Massachussettes state senate. Here's a bit more info on him from his blog,

http://tartanmarine.blogspot.com/2009/02/robert.html


While I agree that it would have been nice if he'd included something about misandry and societal travesties such as the family court system.....that does nothing to invalidate the issues he did address.

Too many people don't want to see women relieved of their entitlement, they simply want that entitlement extended to men. The only thing we're entitled to is the fruits of our own labors. Letting the government 'take care' of us is not a gift, it's a trap. The trap of relinquishing freedoms for security and safety.

Extending the scope and scale of government benefits no one....and nobody should understand that better than men and MRA's who have been the greatest victims of expanded government control and powers.

Government should have only one purpose, to serve the interests of it's people, and it should be kept as small and limited as possible.

What more is necessary to make us a happy and prosperous people? Still one thing more ... a wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from labor the bread it has earned.
Thomas Jefferson

A people that values it's privileges above its principles soon loses both .
Dwight D. Eisenhower

Liberty has never come from the government. Liberty has always come from the subjects of the government. The history of government is a history of resistance. The history of liberty is the history of the limitation of government, not the increase of it.
Woodrow Wilson

He's a Republican politician. I thought he was a 50 hour a week hard worker. Accepting bribes for 50 hours a week isn't hard work. I wonder how much of that 50 hours of hard labor is spent talking on the phone or eating $100 meals.

It's really a matter of perspective here. You think (and I used to agree) that we should go back in time and take the free money from women. Won't happen, you are wasting your time just thinking about it.

Globalization is going to happen, like it or not. You can either dream of reliving the past or push for a better future. Since welfare will only expand as globalization occurs, I think it is in our best interests to try to make it equitable rather than bury our head in the sand and offer no valid opinion (because we are looking in the wrong direction).

Hell, even Christians know that globalization is coming, their Bible tells them so. Face it, we aren't going to repeal welfare so we need to concentrate on making it more equitable.

Kim, the libertarian. Who would have thought. :P

Oh, since we're on this. Why the F are the Democrats called liberals? A liberal is a person who defends individual freedom and liberty. A collectivist person can't be a liberal.

Popadibs, you don't get it, do you? I don't like women getting free shit. In my opinion the government is supposed to be the guardian of the citizen's individual rights. If the government is doing that, it can't take from men and give to women since they are violating their main purpose. And this mentality is older than feminism. Feminism is an emanation of the same things that drive the general entitlement attitude.

Women have been getting a free ride from men since the beginning of time. Coding it into law is the real problem, forcing men to subsidize women is slavery.

However, there is no turning back the clock.

I've got a question for all you cpaitalists out there in MRA land. What happens when there are more adults who need a job than there are jobs?

Well, you mention the bible.

You and RebelliousVanilla have both said things that confirm things that the bible says.

Actually no, there will always be poor, no matter what you do.

Matthew 26:11 "For you always have the poor with you; but you do not always have Me."

Mark 14:7 "For you always have the poor with you, and whenever you wish you can do good to them; but you do not always have Me."


Note it says "whenever you wish" and not "whenever your government says". Free will...


Deuteronomy 15:11 "For the poor will never cease to be in the land; therefore I command you, saying, 'You shall freely open your hand to your brother, to your needy and poor in your land.'

So according to the bible we're supposed to give to the poor freely but we're not supposed to be forced by the government to do so. Based on the bible the government are hypocrites. Do they give freely to the poor? Instead of giving it to the poor the money people earn is taken from them. There's a difference between giving and being robbed.

It would be ironic to think that some of your views are supported by the bible, RebelliousVanilla...

Globalization is going to happen, like it or not.

Garak, you're talking about the one world government lead by the anti-christ, according to the bible, right?

Quote from Garak

He's a Republican politician. I thought he was a 50 hour a week hard worker. Accepting bribes for 50 hours a week isn't hard work. I wonder how much of that 50 hours of hard labor is spent talking on the phone or eating $100 meals.

It's really a matter of perspective here. You think (and I used to agree) that we should go back in time and take the free money from women. Won't happen, you are wasting your time just thinking about it.

Globalization is going to happen, like it or not. You can either dream of reliving the past or push for a better future. Since welfare will only expand as globalization occurs, I think it is in our best interests to try to make it equitable rather than bury our head in the sand and offer no valid opinion (because we are looking in the wrong direction).

Hell, even Christians know that globalization is coming, their Bible tells them so. Face it, we aren't going to repeal welfare so we need to concentrate on making it more equitable.