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    Re: Making Kids Worthless...

    I do know that Australia is stricter than other countries, but I doubt the situation is that much different.
    We are 'lucky' being an Island a long way from anywhere. 'Illegals' have a harder time getting here than to european countries. But we have an immigration policy that is quite generous. We deliberately invite some 200,000 a year. We bring in another 15000 'humanitarian' people. We have 'arrivals', undocumented 'over-stayers', of about 50,000 a year on top of that.

    And we murder around 100,000 unborn Australians a year to make room.
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    Re: Making Kids Worthless...

    You think immigrants to Europe integrate?! That has to be a joke. And yes, Europe is doing the same thing as Rome, we are literally moving other countries inside ours.
    Most immigrants do integrate; it takes time though. I know you're talking about Muslim immigrants, but they're the only group who generally do not integrate over time and even so we've yet to see if they will, I mean one can guess and make predictions, but we do not know for a fact, yes or no, whether they will integrate over the next few generations. And no, Europe isn't doing what Rome did; while the end result of immigration may be that 'other countries' are being formed inside our own, that is not the stated policy of immigration. Even if the end result is the same, it is still not the same situation as the Roman use of Foederati was undertaken without any expectation of integration by anyone, the policy and means were different. This is why I'm saying it works as an analogy in the sense that you may vaguely compare the two things, and chalk up what they have in common, but that they are not the same, and our situation is different to what theirs was.

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    Re: Making Kids Worthless...

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    Most immigrants do integrate; it takes time though. I know you're talking about Muslim immigrants, but they're the only group who generally do not integrate over time and even so we've yet to see if they will, I mean one can guess and make predictions, but we do not know for a fact, yes or no, whether they will integrate over the next few generations. And no, Europe isn't doing what Rome did; while the end result of immigration may be that 'other countries' are being formed inside our own, that is not the stated policy of immigration. Even if the end result is the same, it is still not the same situation as the Roman use of Foederati was undertaken without any expectation of integration by anyone, the policy and means were different. This is why I'm saying it works as an analogy in the sense that you may vaguely compare the two things, and chalk up what they have in common, but that they are not the same, and our situation is different to what theirs was.
    Want me to quote the chief of multiculturalism in Sweden who stated that the purpose of multiculturalism and immigration is to destroy the majority so badly that nobody will be able to call it a majority again.

    We don't expect them to integrate either. That's what multiculturalism is! Promoting them to keep their culture. Hell, in some places they started serving halal meals and other garbage to Europeans because of them. lol. And by the way, they're the group from which the vast majority of immigrants are. At the end of the day, they don't really have to integrate either considering they'll be the majority in a lot of European countries by the end of the century - why should they? In a way, I'm glad. The whole neo-liberal/cultural Marxist ideology will be destroyed. Too bad everything my forefathers built will be destroyed with it(considering I'm a mutt of different European peoples, I can claim that about a lot of European countries :P).

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    Re: Making Kids Worthless...

    You're missing the point RV. I'm not saying that there are no similarities between the two things, not even that the end result will not be the same, I'm simply saying that there are fundamental differences and it is silly to say 'oh we're doing what they did,' the bottom line is, if the liberals and other assorted European and other Western muppets simply pulled their heads out of their asses and said 'hold on a minute, let's not destroy our culture' then this could all be stopped in the twinkling of an eye. The Romans did not have that choice.

    There is one huge difference between the Roman situation and ours. The Romans, by and large, hated the idea of allowing non-Roman barbarians to settle on their land; it was an expedient measure, but not something they liked or were pleased about. In many instances they attempted to 'ghettoise' these new immigrants by confining them to certain areas, refusing them certain rights, etc. they really did do their best to stop it from destroying them, but at that time they simply lacked the strength and authority to enforce said measures, not the will. The entire Roman army had been 'Germanified' by this point; even the Legiones had adopted the traditional Germanic war-cry (the barritus) but these hardly existed anymore; we call Aetius 'the last Roman' and for good reason; it is quite probable that in his battles with the Huns he commanded not a single 'native' Legion, the majority of his army was made up of Feoderati who did not even pretend to be interested in adopting Roman ways or methods.

    Unlike Rome we have the strength. We have the authority. We lack the will; a pathetic and sad fact, but a true one nevertheless, our culture is being eroded and ruined not because we couldn't stop it if we wanted to, but because the average Westerner does not see Western culture as something worth defending. The average idiot has no problem with what's going on, fails to see that it will destroy our culture or thinks that would be a good thing, refuses to think that the Government could act in anything but their best interests, etc. To me this is what is most frustrating about this situation. We don't NEED mass immigration, we should concentrate on raising our own birth rates, but even if that failed and we were forced to use immigration to replace our falling populations there are plenty of people - non Muslims - literally begging to be let into Western countries who are far more canny when it comes to adopting our ways and assimilating into our culture.

    I know, RV, you won't like this because I'm going to quote Marx, but even you must admit he was no fool; in the 18th Napoleon his infamous statement reads that history always repeats itself, as tragedy and then as farce. What happened to Rome was a tragedy, what's happening to us is farce.

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    dad_savage, you realize that Europe can't deport ten-twenty million people, right? And most Europeans dislike having so many immigrants and we don't like the 'enriching' effects these chumps have on our culture, but no parties really presented any solutions, until lately. The fastest growing parties in Europe right now are anti-immigration parties. Oh, and Europeans would have hated this immigration issue too if they were being taught the real history in the classroom and taught to be proud of their identity and nation.

    The Romans could have done the same thing and raise their birth rates. And yes, I agree, we have the power to change things and get rid of immigrants, but we need a complete mentality shift and we need to admit that dismantling the family was wrong and this is painfully obvious in the first place.

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    dad_savage, you realize that Europe can't deport ten-twenty million people, right?
    Possibly not, but ten-twenty million people are hardly enough to destroy European culture; if immigration were stopped, or changed, the issue would be a non-starter. Further the European nations could enact policies to encourage these people to assimilate, rather than simply letting them carry on in whatsoever fashion they please.

    And most Europeans dislike having so many immigrants and we don't like the 'enriching' effects these chumps have on our culture, but no parties really presented any solutions, until lately. The fastest growing parties in Europe right now are anti-immigration parties.
    We have had experience with such parties. Although they become popular, their rhetoric eventually sees them censored and blotted out. The fact is, too many people swallow the whole PC party-line about immigration being a wonderful thing. If they don't like the effects it has on their country, they try to blame it on something else, or they look for some half-assed solution that won't work, or they get angry at the time, but their anger quickly subsides. i.e - lots of people get angry at muslims when you see muslim gang-rapes in the news, but few people stay angry long enough to do anything about it.

    Oh, and Europeans would have hated this immigration issue too if they were being taught the real history in the classroom and taught to be proud of their identity and nation.
    If these people weren't so simple, they'd educate themselves and find out the truth on their own account instead of simply believing whatever crap is fed to them. Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that the average idiot doesn't care; I wasn't talking about why they don't care, simply that they do not. I am aware of this point you raise, and while I think it has some validity, it's bassically just an excuse, an excuse for the stupidity of the average idiot who's too self-absorbed and moronic to see that his/her own culture is being destroyed, and too lazy and stupid to do anything about it.

    Didn't allot of black activists say 'oh well, white people taught blacks to hate themselves. That's why black people shoot each other, that's why black neighborhoods are ghettos,' again, their might have been a grain of truth to it but the reality was they were just trying to shift the blame for their own mess onto somone else so that it would become somone elses job to clean it up.

    The Romans could have done the same thing and raise their birth rates.
    It wasn't an issue of birth rates for the Romans. The problem they had was one of a vast western migration; a large number of tribes, and other groups had been displaced westward. For the most part these groups came against the Empire in force creating a situation where, for many years, military emergency followed military emergency until the army was ground down by simple attrition until they no longer had the military strength to stop people from moving into and settling inside the Empire.

    And yes, I agree, we have the power to change things and get rid of immigrants, but we need a complete mentality shift and we need to admit that dismantling the family was wrong and this is painfully obvious in the first place
    Absolutely! But don't trouble to say 'we' RV. It's not your mess and it certainly isn't mine.


 

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