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So are you saying that we should count solely on women to teach children opposition to feminism?

The other options: man stays home, state stays home. Which would you rather have?

Some men will never trust a woman again due to some past situation or set of experiences. That's just the way it is. I have no problem with women supporting the MRM movement and being MRA's. I sometime question motives of women who are professing to be in support of the MRM, but tend to only focus on what men need to do vs what women can do to support the mens right movement.

I do see ulterior motives in a number of MRM folks, both male and female. What is hard for some men to accept is that there are actually women out in the world who care about men just as men. Women cannot experience the life of a man, having to deal with all the misdandry, the populist humor of men getting his sexual organs harmed by a woman, being told he is a potential and future rapist and abuser in a non stop barrage of negative communications. How about being told repeatedly that there is something wrong with him because he is male and thus masculine?

There are a lot of men who won't trust women because they either learned or came to the conclusion that it was a risky proposition to place trust in someone who might screw you over at the drop of a pin.

I now trust very few people in my life, I can count them on 1 hand. Trust is earned of course and if women complain that men won't trust them, perhaps they need to examine why men won't trust them instead of bitching about it.

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The other options: man stays home, state stays home. Which would you rather have?

You don't direct my paths. I just sunk your battleship.

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You don't direct my paths. I just sunk your battleship.

What battleship?

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What battleship?

The one I sunk, it has already been long forgotten, how tragic. Those aren't the only 2 options available. A man can be single and not stay home

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The one I sunk, it has already been long forgotten, how tragic. Those aren't the only 2 options available. A man can be single and not stay home

Again, that depends on a person's perspective.

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Again, that depends on a person's perspective.

Hello, I am not restricted by the limits placed upon me by others... that is my perspective.

Added after 30 minutes:

Wow, I just listened to all 3 of these videos. How many of you actually listened to what fidelbogen said before passing judgement on his message?

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Should us women butt out of the MRM? Should the MRM be male-exclusive? Should we trust female MRAs/MR supporters? Should women like me and others be trusted or be weary of?

Personally, I think the MRM has more validation within the gullible masses if women are involved. It's not to say they didn't have a valued input from the start, just that modern perceptions being so tailored by media expectations we have a reasonable start. That said, traitors and sell-outs from my experience, don't dominate any particular sex.

Another thing: For the women here I ask, what is the end result for supporting this movement? Why are we here? What are we here for? We women need to clarify this.

That you will be respected from the outset for not being typically feminist, and greater things will come with your perseverance.

Difficult one isn't it. Feminists also seem to be deeply distrustful of pro-feminist men. I suppose it's inevitable really. If I'm welcomed as an anti-feminist woman onto an MRA forum, then I'll stay, if I'm not, I'll go. It certainly wouldn't stop me supporting the MRM.


If I'm not welcome within the MRA movement then I'll continue fighting feminism on my blogs, and go it alone, so to speak.


To answer this:


For the women here I ask, what is the end result for supporting this movement? Why are we here? What are we here for? We women need to clarify this.


The end result for supporting this movement would be to hopefully add weight to the MRM cause, and for society to realise that feminism harms women too, that feminism doesn't speak for all women and to halt the demonization of men in society. Most of the men I know are decent human beings, not oppressive tyrants. I'm here because the future of my sons currently seems bleak (this is my primary concern), secondly, I believe in equality for all (not female supremecy), and thirdly I'm sick to the back teeth of feminists speaking on my behalf without asking for my thoughts or opinions on anything.


Oh, and I rather resent the fact that feminists consider me a 'patrirchal tool'. Apparrently, I am so brainwashed that my feeble brain cannot make it's own decisions, and I am against feminism because I'm not strong enough to fight against 'patriarchy'. I find that extremely insulting actually. They clearly don't know me very well.

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Difficult one isn't it. Feminists also seem to be deeply distrustful of pro-feminist men. I suppose it's inevitable really. If I'm welcomed as an anti-feminist woman onto an MRA forum, then I'll stay, if I'm not, I'll go. It certainly wouldn't stop me supporting the MRM.

If I'm not welcome within the MRA movement then I'll continue fighting feminism on my blogs, and go it alone, so to speak.

To answer this:

For the women here I ask, what is the end result for supporting this movement? Why are we here? What are we here for? We women need to clarify this.

The end result for supporting this movement would be to hopefully add weight to the MRM cause, and for society to realise that feminism harms women too, that feminism doesn't speak for all women and to halt the demonization of men in society. Most of the men I know are decent human beings, not oppressive tyrants. I'm here because the future of my sons currently seems bleak (this is my primary concern), secondly, I believe in equality for all (not female supremecy), and thirdly I'm sick to the back teeth of feminists speaking on my behalf without asking for my thoughts or opinions on anything.

Oh, and I rather resent the fact that feminists consider me a 'patrirchal tool'. Apparrently, I am so brainwashed that my feeble brain cannot make it's own decisions, and I am against feminism because I'm not strong enough to fight against 'patriarchy'. I find that extremely insulting actually. They clearly don't know me very well.

AzureBlue, I liked the spunk in your second-to last paragraph. I like to hear some ballsy and 'informed' women who give a damn about our society. You've got my vote.

Furthermore, I'd like to gather progressive women like you on the forum for a clashing of ideas and see how we can progressively move forward between the sexes! Are you up for the challenge?

I know a good woman when I see her.

I pig greedily upon history and this old gal (Mary Beard) http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01gxqgg/Meet_the_Romans_with_Mary_Beard_Streetlife/gives the best experience as to how Roman's truly lived. She imparts a relative flavour of how common folk lived and retains an enthusiasm for all. A true historian. A joy is behold when you are captivated by this woman's enthusiasm and knowledge of the subject. What a joy!

Many thanks for your kind comments, Celtic Druid. I'm definitely up for the challenge!

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Difficult one isn't it. Feminists also seem to be deeply distrustful of pro-feminist men.

I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with feminists on something, but........................

.............Anyway, I do find myself being, whilst pleased with the number of female members, somewhat disappointed at the 'regular-participation-rate' of whom. There seem to be very few who are members, and avidly contribute to the forum, on regular-a-basis. I guess it's hard to be passionate about something which doesn't affect you adversely, as compared to something which DOES. Or maybe it's the extra housework that feminists tell us all women have to do.........

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I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with feminists on something, but........................

.............Anyway, I do find myself being, whilst pleased with the number of female members, somewhat disappointed at the 'regular-participation-rate' of whom. There seem to be very few who are members, and avidly contribute to the forum, on regular-a-basis. I guess it's hard to be passionate about something which doesn't affect you adversely, as compared to something which DOES. Or maybe it's the extra housework that feminists tell us all women have to do.........

Your honesty is much appreciated. Being anti-feminist doesn't make one pro-MRA. Perhaps they don't want to share their anti-MRA views?

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Or maybe it's the extra housework that feminists tell us all women have to do.........