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    LiveScience speaks the truth on DV


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    Re: LiveScience speaks the truth on DV

    Thanks JD.
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    Re: LiveScience speaks the truth on DV

    Drex, are you an anarchist? Like it or not, government is always going to be involved in our personal lives. The best we can hope for is that it be unbiased. There's the ideal, and then there's reality.

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    Re: LiveScience speaks the truth on DV

    I hear what you're saying, Drex. I agree with you that bigger is rarely better. I'd like to see private charities take over most of the human services stuff, with maybe gov't oversight to monitor abuses. The problem is, who defines "abuse"? It's a very vague term.

    I'd also like to see an end to affirmative action. Let the employer hire the person most qualified. If that person happens to be a white male, it doesn't mean there was any discrimination involved.

    I don't know the answer. Revolution? I don't know how you make bureaucracy (that's a hard one to spell; had to look it up!) smaller.

    I learned something in my tax class though. Alimony payments are deductible for the payer and have to be reported as income by the receiver. Child support doesn't count at all for income tax purposes.

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    Re: LiveScience speaks the truth on DV

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    ....Child support doesn't count at all for income tax purposes.
    Not entirely true KM. He who... or should I say SHE who has the child gets the child tax credit and deductions.

    So, sure SHE may not have to claim the CS as income, but that 1-2K child dependancy credit and the other goodies having an under aged, in school child in the home gives is just as good as an extra few bucks (on top of the CS) in the pocket....


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    Not entirely true KM. He who... or should I say SHE who has the child gets the child tax credit and deductions.

    So, sure SHE may not have to claim the CS as income, but that 1-2K child dependancy credit and the other goodies having an under aged, in school child in the home gives is just as good as an extra few bucks (on top of the CS) in the pocket....


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    True that. Unless she signs a waiver allowing him to claim the exemption (like that's gonna happen), but he still can't get most of the credits. The child tax credit and the dependent care credit pretty much go to the custodial parent. The system sucks, no doubt about it.

    I've never been divorced, so I didn't find this stuff out until just recently. I just thought it was cool about how the alimony has to be reported. And you KNOW the IRS double-checks that one.

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    Re: LiveScience speaks the truth on DV

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    The natural consquence of the DV obsessives agenda will be to criminalise any disagreements couples have, effecitively, making it practically impossible for men and women to live together or raise families under the same roof..
    Actually, the agenda speaks for itself. Equality under the law. Men who fight back against female abusers are deemed batterers and are criminally prosecuted, often placed into brainwashing programs. The agenda is not to criminalize "disagreements," but rather to criminalize physical violence by both men and women. Do you think this is just an issue of husband and wife? A violent wife hurts not only her husband, but also her own children. However, studies show that a violent husband correspondingly only hurts his children 6 percent of the time. Focusing on the existence of the problem of domestic violence does not necessarily lead to statism, nor does your active participation on this forum and its discussions lead to statism.

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    Is everyone here too fucking dense to realise that?
    Translation: "Is everyone here too fucking dense to agree with me????"

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    What do you want?

    CCTV in every home monitoring every intereaction for "abuse"?
    I think that one was directed at me, because of my site, DontMakeHerMad.com. The point of using surveillance is to give cohabiting men a means to smoothly exit an abusive relationship by documenting a pattern of the woman's abuses prior to the split (or at least daily documenting the man's non-abuse, taking into account the fact that false criminal allegations often include mention of specific times and places, which can be undermined by well-placed surveillance).

    You don't just put up video cameras in your home when you're living in peace and in a faithful relationship. You do it when you want to get out, or when you suspect that she wants YOU to get out. It's a means of establishing your credibility in the endgame of divorce and restraining order "kick-outs."

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    DV is always "under-reported"..
    I suspect your use of quotes denies the premise. The reason why we know DV is under reported is because this claim refers to reports to law enforcement. It most certainly is "reported," on confidential surveys, in hospital emergency rooms, to shelters for victims, etc. The question is whether the "reporter" stands to gain something in the act of reporting, or not.

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    Get real losers..
    As an admin, I'll give you some reality: Keep it up, and you'll find out just how real this can be.

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    As ever, extreme examples are used to justify the interevention of the state on the most minor of issues..
    Translation: Intervention of the state is always unjustified, because DV itself is a minor issue.

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    This is the road to real gender appartheied and state control of every aspect of interpersonal relations..
    The article focused on the FACT that women abuse men about as often as the reverse. That is all. When violence in the home is used as a tool (a tool of intimidation, or a tool of venting anger), all kinds of people suffer. Retaliatory violence, and the threat thereof, does not always produce the happy home that you predict. The one legitimate purpose of government is national and local security. Arresting someone for putting bruises and gashes in someone's head is not akin to establishing a totalitarian regime. You need to get some perspective, my anarchist opponent.


 

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