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(Of course, I will still argue with them)

Wouldn't want it any other way.

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If one wishes to spread one's belief in God then they should set out to do that but not hide behind a men's movement to do so.

True. I was insinuating that even the MRM and WRM are "beliefs". On a deeper level, even the fact that we exist is a belief. The point is that in order for two people to have a reasonable debate, both individuals have to have the same fundamental beliefs. You will never convince someone to avoid the trees if they don't believe that trees exist or have substance. Feminists and MRA's will never come to an agreement unless the fundamental beliefs of each are the same. Like the book title, "Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus", men and women are almost aliens to each other. Without a common thread between the two it will end up as a civil war between men and women.

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(Felixblue, your friggin' rifle is not only pointing the wrong friggin' way but it hasn't been cleaned in an age)

Im only firing warning shots old chum.. And yes, my weapon could do with a bit of spit and polish Ill confess..

I won't tell you what I was doing with it last night but she had a damned good technique for a milky woman!

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The MRM shouldn't be used in order to spread religious beliefs. (kind of an oxymoron)

For one, I am not using MRM in order to spread religious beliefs. I'm was just expressing what I would want, instead of what feminists want. Also, the way I conduct myself is a great witness and testimonial to God in itself, so I don't really have to be directly preaching to reach others and make an impact.

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If one wishes to spread one's belief in God then they should set out to do that but not hide behind a men's movement to do so.

I'm not hiding behind a a Men's movement or any movement. I have shown through out my time here that I am not a feminist by any means or trying to force any beliefs on anyone. All I said is what I would want, instead of what feminists want.

If I want to say something or express an opinion, I will say it but still in a tactful and with kindness. I am going to talk about God from time to time, as that is my character and who I am but I don't do it every time I post or damn anyone that they are going to hell for not following my beliefs.

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For one, I am not using MRM in order to spread religious beliefs. I'm was just expressing what I would want, instead of what feminists want. Also, the way I conduct myself is a great witness and testimonial to God in itself, so I don't really have to be directly preaching to reach others and make an impact.

Your testimony has got nothing to do with men's issues. It just so happens that feminism goes against your religious beliefs, which is probably why you oppose feminism. There is some overlap, however, a men's movement is meant to address men's issues and not promote our own personal beliefs in God. I'm not saying it is wrong to tell people about God and what God wants but the men's movement isn't specifically designed for that purpose.

I always thought the mainstream mens movement was a reaction to the womens movement and mostly desired to ensured that the womens movement's claimed desires be fulfilled..

And I have never seen much that effectively counters that belief over the past years I have known what they are campaigning for..

I personally see more validity in religious approaches than the statist hermophradist approaches that fail to appreciate the very real differences between men and women or downplay them constantly in order to better imagine "equality" is a reasonable goal and not just the utopian nonsense that it clearly has always been..

Truths are based on beliefs. People used to believe the world is flat, now we believe it's round.

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Truths are based on beliefs. People used to believe the world is flat, now we believe it's round.

The bit where I am sitting is definately flat..

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I always thought the mainstream mens movement was a reaction to the womens movement and mostly desired to ensured that the womens movement's claimed desires be fulfilled..

And I have never seen much that effectively counters that belief over the past years I have known what they are campaigning for..

I personally see more validity in religious approaches than the statist hermophradist approaches that fail to appreciate the very real differences between men and women or downplay them constantly in order to better imagine "equality" is a reasonable goal and not just the utopian nonsense that it clearly has always been..

Religion would have us back to being slaves to women. Religion and chivalry go hand in hand. I am not so sure we can get back there even if we wanted to.

I have seen the world from a high aircraft and there is a definate curve to it.. plus, the laws of gravity can be seen to work towards the centre in celestial bodies.. Evidence that changes things so radically is often regarded badly at first..

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Truths are based on beliefs. People used to believe the world is flat, now we believe it's round.

People believe the world is round now because it is the truth, so wouldn't your example show that beliefs are based on truths? I personally believe the Bible is an amazing history book that talks in metaphors because it's authors had no better way to describe what they saw.

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For one, I am not using MRM in order to spread religious beliefs. I'm was just expressing what I would want, instead of what feminists want. Also, the way I conduct myself is a great witness and testimonial to God in itself, so I don't really have to be directly preaching to reach others and make an impact.

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I'm not hiding behind a a Men's movement or any movement. I have shown through out my time here that I am not a feminist by any means or trying to force any beliefs on anyone. All I said is what I would want, instead of what feminists want.

If I want to say something or express an opinion, I will say it but still in a tactful and with kindness. I am going to talk about God from time to time, as that is my character and who I am but I don't do it every time I post or damn anyone that they are going to hell for not following my beliefs.

I think I could do a better job of expressing myself from time to time. Since I did respond to your comment I do understand why you think I am accusing you of trying to use the MRM to spread religious beliefs. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding I've caused and the effects my words may have had on you. There is nothing wrong with you standing by your beliefs. Trust me, that isn't at all what I'm implying. This is a case where I can honestly admit to being wrong.

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Religion would have us back to being slaves to women. Religion and chivalry go hand in hand. I am not so sure we can get back there even if we wanted to.

I dont think men are required by religion to marry.. And when they do, they have some actual benefits from marraige under the common principle of male headship.. They get a feeling of control and power in the family in exchange for their service to them.

And folks can easily get to that situation even now..

And it works, even now..

Does it need to be only feasible in a religious context?

No, but seems no other context can get its heads round it..

Shame really..

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I dont think men are required by religion to marry.. And when they do, they have some actual benefits from marraige under the common principle of male headship.. They get a feeling of control and power in the family in exchange for their service to them.

And folks can easily get to that situation even now..

And it works, even now..

Does it need to be only feasible in a religious context?

No, but seems no other context can get its heads round it..

Shame really..

I admit that getting back to male leadership via religious values would be better than what we have now but I don't think it's possible at this point. The atheists have taken over and it's all about science and government.. All three (religion, science and government) have positive uses, if used moderately.