Quote from Marx

...message it sends - not to the feminists - but the lurkers, the unaware and the general populace.

Lurkers? Their Ilk? Have You Seen Them - 'Lurking' about??

I do believe I warned about this sort of thing long ago; that or warned the lurkers about this sort of thing....

Either way, I am deeply suspicious; particularly of others of a suspicious nature.

Regardless - I figure that anyone who has to resort to profanity to pass as a wit, has already forfeit the match by default.

Ohso
"The aim of forensic oratory is to teach, to delight, to move." Cicero

I don't mean to irritate or annoy by stating the obvious, but the website's title is "Anti Misandry" which kind of gives a clue as to what the main focus is.

As for the language.....there is obnoxiousness here even without the bad language, but I agree, with it, makes it worse. The language is probably the least of the issues that plague this forum......but it is nonetheless a valid concern.

Quote from Ohso

Lurkers? Their Ilk? Have You Seen Them - 'Lurking' about??

I do believe I warned about this sort of thing long ago; that or warned the lurkers about this sort of thing....

Either way, I am deeply suspicious; particularly of others of a suspicious nature.

Regardless - I figure that anyone who has to resort to profanity to pass as a wit, has already forfeit the match by default.

Ohso
"The aim of forensic oratory is to teach, to delight, to move." Cicero

I figure that anyone who tries to censor speech is clearly guilty. Why?
Because they have absolutely no authority to tell people how to speak.
If you censor speech, then you're no better then drone who marches behind a fuhrer.
It's not the talker you should watch out for but the one who demands that you play nice.
Those are the guilty ones.
Why?
Because they are control freaks.

Quote from Zuberi

I figure that anyone who tries to censor speech is clearly guilty. Why?
Because they have absolutely no authority to tell people how to speak.
If you censor speech, then you're no better then drone who marches behind a fuhrer.
It's not the talker you should watch out for but the one who demands that you play nice.
Those are the guilty ones.
Why?
Because they are control freaks.

Good point, however, cleaning up our image wouldn't hurt.

Quote from Incognito

I don't mean to irritate or annoy by stating the obvious, but the website's title is "anti-misandry" which kind of gives a clue as to what the main focus is.

As for the language.....there is obnoxiousness here even without the bad language, but I agree, with it, makes it worse. The language is probably the least of the issues that plague this forum......but it is nonetheless a valid concern.

Stating the obvious is not necessary..

Talking about the main issue (if that is indeed focused on) can be done in many ways, but I will gaurantee you, many men get phucking angry about it..

And they dont particularly like being told to not upset the feoinists and pansies..

some of the topics that come up reapeatedly, often very much from certian posters, make the site look much worse in the eyes of some folk than anything to do with a bit of creative or humourous swearing would..

Quote from Popadibs

Good point, however, cleaning up our image wouldn't hurt.

So, who would we do that?

Get rid of the druggies?

Or tell folk to speak nicely..?

Quote from haahoo

So, who would we do that?

Get rid of the druggies?

Or tell folk to speak nicely..?

Yeah but you can't do that without sporting a swastika and breaking out a nightstick.

Oddly enough, I am one of those folk who tends to take foul mouthed folk more seriously than drug freaks...

A few swear words never hurt anyone..

Yet, society is being ravaged by drugs..

Makes one think eh?

Quote from haahoo

what is the spirit of the forum?

I have oftne wondered if this site has some "aim", goal, purpose, or whatever..

That, I think, is an excellent question.

Now, I'm a strong supporter of personal freedoms.....yet, I moderate comments on my blog. While I allow a variety of opinions, I am trying to achieve something with my blog. I want to reach people, I want to open minds and alter perceptions....I want to make a difference.

Such being my aims, I will not allow my blog to be a platform for the proliferation of biggotry or hatred nor do I allow it serve as a vehicle for people to exchange puerile insults. I have my name and my face on my blog. I direct people I know to it.....my friends, family members and in-laws have it in their favorites, so, I expect a certain level of intelligence, respect and maturity from people when they comment on my blog.

I'm not worried about people being offended by my message. The message is what it is, and I won't water it down to make it more palatable. I will, however, make sure that it is conveyed in a manner that is calm and logical. I avoid resorting to emotion or dramatics to make my points.

If the main purpose of this forum is as an outlet for men....a place for them to vent....then it stands to reason that one might expect to see a fair amount of strong language, emotion and the like.

However, if the purpose is as a means to convey a message to and to inform the largest audience possible, then it stands to reason to aim for a more intellectual tone.

That said, I see no reason to tone down the message itself. I think unfettered truth and honesty is always the best policy, even if it isn't well received. At the same time, I've always been of the opinion that there nothing that can be said that can't be said in a mature, rational manner.

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So, who would we do that?

Get rid of the druggies?

Or tell folk to speak nicely..?

I think that people should have a choice to speak how they want, however, this is not my forum and it couldn't hurt the MRA to choose our words wisely.

Getting rid of druggies would do us well; just as getting rid of fornicators. However, everyone is flawed in one way or another. If a druggie or fornicator desires to fight alongside us they should not be kept from doing so but they should also conquer their own demons as well.

It is not my place to say "you shouldn't do this" but I am saying "it may help if we do this". I don't believe that overall cursing will help or hurt our cause but cursing does lead to hateful and inflamnatory language and infighting.

In the end, our fight isn't with each other and we should conserve our energy for when it really matters (although, it may very well go against our nature to do so).

Quote from samofsons

druggies and fornicators?
what are we a bunch of quakers?

what is there was a dirty corner on here where everyone
was allowed to get weird and swear.
would that make them happy?

then the rest of the threads will be just straight posts.
with comments like " thank you edgar for that interesting article"

Well, to tell you the truth, it's not a matter of whether we do this or that but whether we do this or that for the right reasons.

If we're only doing it to please the feminists or what not then that is not a good reason to clean up our language.

Quote from haahoo

Oddly enough, I am one of those folk who tends to take foul mouthed folk more seriously than drug freaks...

A few swear words never hurt anyone..

Yet, society is being ravaged by drugs..

Makes one think eh?

I don't have a problem with people who use swear words because they are human! Human beings swear, period.
So anyone who tries to play Mr. Perfect and censor speech is the one who needs to shut up or be fitted with a straitjacket!

So I guess this forum has turned into something like SYG. Gotta censor men to please those who don't even post here on the off chance that they may read it.

<sigh>

Quote from Kim

That, I think, is an excellent question.

Now, I'm a strong supporter of personal freedoms.....yet, I moderate comments on my blog. While I allow a variety of opinions, I am trying to achieve something with my blog. I want to reach people, I want to open minds and alter perceptions....I want to make a difference.

Such being my aims, I will not allow my blog to be a platform for the proliferation of biggotry or hatred nor do I allow it serve as a vehicle for people to exchange puerile insults. I have my name and my face on my blog. I direct people I know to it.....my friends, family members and in-laws have it in their favorites, so, I expect a certain level of intelligence, respect and maturity from people when they comment on my blog.

I'm not worried about people being offended by my message. The message is what it is, and I won't water it down to make it more palatable. I will, however, make sure that it is conveyed in a manner that is calm and logical. I avoid resorting to emotion or dramatics to make my points.

If the main purpose of this forum is as an outlet for men....a place for them to vent....then it stands to reason that one might expect to see a fair amount of strong language, emotion and the like.

However, if the purpose is as a means to convey a message to and to inform the largest audience possible, then it stands to reason to aim for a more intellectual tone.

That said, I see no reason to tone down the message itself. I think unfettered truth and honesty is always the best policy, even if it isn't well received. At the same time, I've always been of the opinion that there nothing that can be said that can't be said in a mature, rational manner.

I agree fully with everything you have said there..

You have your own personal way and image, and very excellent and productive it has proved to be too..

Other folk have their own personal ways, images etc..

I dont see why folk cant work together and feel free to express themselves as they see fit..

I have to admit, if I was taking the "serious" approach, id do pretty much what you do Kim..

There is no need to swear really..

But, Because i and many others come here to "blow off steam" and relax, more than seriously campaign for the cause... (its not like there is much choice eh?)

I wonder what good banning profanity would do..

As I have always said., if my ways are not fitting, then ban me..

There used to be a saying I recall from my old boys school days..

"Never trust a man who :-

1. doesnt swear..

2. Denies his lust for the pleasures of woman (be he a liar or not!).."

Lets not be about polishing a turd..

Lets be about cutting the shit out..

(If there is a non-sweary version of that, it beats me!)..