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I think the problem of 'equality' is in how the word is used today - equality of result. That is nothing resembling my defintion of the word. Equaltiy means equality of opportunity, not equality of result. You have the opportunity to apply, and based on your skills and abilities, you may be hired, or not. If you're the best - you're in. If you're not and you've got a vagina, you're still not in. Can't lift the weight, do the run in the required time, aren't intelligent enough? Then that's too bad so sad, you don't get the job. That's what equality means. It means you have the right to come out and give it a shot. The employer/school etc have the right to decide how to respond on the basis of your individual merit.

We're not equal. No one man is equal to another, let alone trying to describe men and women as equals. When it comes to manual labour, and men with 60% more upper body strength are going to be the better choice - why should women expect to make up 50% of such working environments?

That's my definition of equality - it's opportunity driven, not results driven. Granted it's been given a bad name and a few black eyes in this upside down world of ours...

Yes, thats very good.. But, the killer issue is that when it comes to it, thats NOT how society works..

One of the most important aspects of the MRM is the "divorce and child access" issue..

The laws are, clearly, equal to either gender..

You wanna look after your newborn kids?

Great, come along.. lets see..

Men and women, come on, lets see how you fare..

You both want the best for you kids?

Breast is best...

Now, sir, lets see how much milk you have..

No milk, sorry, you can fuck off..

These issues are, rightly, decided on "best interests of the child"..

Equality simply does not cut the mustard for men, or women, or kids here..

The problem is folk think that the "rights" of folk to be unco-operative are more vital than the childs best interests..

The state upholds a persons right to act against the true best interests of the child..

The rape issue is another one that is clearly impossible to apply "equality" to.. its not applicable..

The DV issues are really very similar to in the main..

Equality only looks like a remotely meaningful area that the MRM can use in the points like you have raised above SP..

These points are mere sideshows in the mens movements list of major beefs, major, life wrecking upheavals to families etc just dont suit the "equality" treatment unless the state has a massive role to ensure "equality of outcome"..

From my observations of the gender battle, equality falls flat and produces a poor outcome in the major areas, nature triumphs, DESPITE the fact that the law ALREADY IS completely gender neutral..

Equal parenting groups refuse to accept that their solutions CANNOT be made to work with the sort of smoothness that they like to imagine without huge effort and backup etc..

There has to be a "master/servant", and if it is not male head of family then female head of family is not possible, so its "state head of family"..

And thats a fucking joke!!

The results of which we can clearly see..

Drex, about your comment above. I don't think that the FC or child support are the main concern for the MRM.

I say this because there is a lot more work being done than what gets discussed on MRM men's sites. There is fascinating stuff going on in England for one.

I think the MRM movement is mainly focusing on men and men's needs right from childhood to being an older citizen in a retirement home. Training facilities to be less feminised and male friendly is high on the list. The work being done in research is high on the list. The work in prisons is high on the list. Men's health is high on the list. I am guessing you get my drift.

Countries that are unable to get a men's affairs in Government are making their own. I do believe the men's movement will move swiftly as the women's movement did. There will be a big bang as far as I can tell.

Quote from julie

Drex, about your comment above. I don't think that the FC or child support are the main concern for the MRM.

I say this because there is a lot more work being done than what gets discussed on MRM men's sites. There is fascinating stuff going on in England for one.

I think the MRM movement is mainly focusing on men and men's needs right from childhood to being an older citizen in a retirement home. Training facilities to be less feminised and male friendly is high on the list. The work being done in research is high on the list. The work in prisons is high on the list. Men's health is high on the list. I am guessing you get my drift.

Countries that are unable to get a men's affairs in Government are making their own. I do believe the men's movement will move swiftly as the women's movement did. There will be a big bang as far as I can tell.

Well, if the MRM is controlled by women it will indeed tend to not have any interest in the MAJOR areas whereby the state ensures women win as men lose..

Seems that the female run MRM is interested in helping men AS LONG AS that does not effect womens advantages..

So, just changing the emphasis..

Typical femistate method..

"Lets help men get better trained, that way they can earn more and pay higher child support to their ex wives.."

The MRM isn't controlled by women.

The problem with the females being involved is that they put forward their views. They shouldn't do this.

The problem with the males is that they are not motivated enough.

My comment above wasn't a good explanation. But ....

The MRM is not controlled by women.

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The MRM isn't controlled by women.

The problem with the females being involved is that they put forward their views. They shouldn't do this.

The problem with the males is that they are not motivated enough.

The 3rd sentance above leads to results of the 2nd sentance being accepted and the 1st sentence becoming incorrect..

Looks like men are not only backing out of society letting women run it, they are also backing out of the areas that concern them and letting women run it..

The MRM looks just like a carbon copy of the feminists agenda, the only difference being that its for men wanting the "same" pampering as women from lifes realities..

Apart from the child support area..

Most mens movements in the main have the same views on child support as the feminists..

Which is proof if any is needed that even if men are active in the MRM, most of them are feminised to the extent they dont realise that they are not doing themselves justice but in fact scoring a gender treacherous home goal..

Quote from julie

My comment above wasn't a good explanation. But ....

The MRM is not controlled by women.

No, the other 2 sentences where the correct ones!!

Quote from Drex

The 3rd sentance above leads to results of the 2nd sentance being accepted and the 1st sentence becoming incorrect..

That makes sense.

I know that one group has been complaining because the researchers are actual feminists. And they are doing research on sensitive issues for men. (NZ)

Can I ask you something Drex and honesty would be good? Do you believe that something will give and the people will turn on the Government?

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That makes sense.

I know that one group has been complaining because the researchers are actual feminists. And they are doing research on sensitive issues for men. (NZ)

Can I ask you something Drex and honesty would be good? Do you believe that something will give and the people will turn on the Government?

Well, people are always asking the government, "give us this, give us that.. etc.."

The government is getting tired of it and is starting to say back "for fucks sake.. sort your own shit out!!"..

Seriously...

They have been doing that for a while..

The people will not turn on the Government in the west, that would be like a baby turning on its mothers breast..

The milk will dry and and nanny will have to teach baby how to feed itself..

The state does not have the resources, even at high taxation levels, to provide what every imagineable victim group demands..

All major UK parties are seriously looking at "people power"..

The old statist experiments are too expensive for even the state to run..

Still, those bastards want to make sure that though THE PEOPLE are doing stuff, they are doing it THE APPROVED way!! FOR NO PAY!!

Hmmm!! Sneaky!

Invite us to a party, then send us the bill..!

Quote from Marx

You say my word is good enough, but I've said repeatedly in the past that we (admins) do not edit people's posts for content - only for minor errors... and you still continue to throw in the accusation here & there. Clearly, my word hasn't been good enough.
It gives the distinct impression, to me at least, that mutiny is the logic behind the repeated claims. It isn't intended as a personal attack, though I acknowledge I too would likely take it that way. On the other hand, there has been a member who did attempt to create a mutiny all because he thought he was missing out on something.

Yes, 99% of the time for typos - not content.
primarily, spam. There HAVE been posts that got 'lost' during server transfers. These posts were also (not by you) accused of being deleted - they weren't.


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Yes, but Marx, you answered Drex's questions, but I'm still waiting on an answer as to why Rob's infraction had one infraction point attatched to it, but Ninjamaster's infraction had zero, when Ninjamaster deserved it more.

I too am seeing what you describe from some Government parties here in NZ. Good time to exploit.

I still see the feminist Labour government following it's agenda though and tampering with research to suit themsleves. They are so corrupt.

A friend of mine has a friend who was paid $400 an hour to do research for the Labour government. But it didn't suit their agenda so it was scraped as worthless. Cost the Government over half a million which went to him.

I am thinking about doing research myself. You only have to put an application in and you can basically charge yourself out at a more than decent rate. You don't have to be an expert as they pay community groups. Gosh, I am learning so much. I suppose if it suits the government I will be asked to do more. If not. Oh, well. But can you imagine how easy it would be to use the net?

Hmmm, what could I do it on?

As for victim groups.

Just look at October. How many collections were asked for from charity groups including women's refuge? How man weeks were set a side for causes? I think people are becoming overwhelmed by it all and just turning off. So I guess the government is too. But I wonder how long it will take for feminists to run out of things to research and lobby for?

Quote from julie

I too am seeing what you describe from some Government parties here in NZ. Good time to exploit.

I still see the feminist Labour government following it's agenda though and tampering with research to suit themsleves. They are so corrupt.

A friend of mine has a friend who was paid $400 an hour to do research for the Labour government. But it didn't suit their agenda so it was scraped as worthless. Cost the Government over half a million which went to him.

I am thinking about doing research myself. You only have to put an application in and you can basically charge yourself out at a more than decent rate. You don't have to be an expert as they pay community groups. Gosh, I am learning so much. I suppose if it suits the government I will be asked to do more. If not. Oh, well. But can you imagine how easy it would be to use the net?

Hmmm, what could I do it on?

As for victim groups.

Just look at October. How many collections were asked for from charity groups including women's refuge? How man weeks were set a side for causes? I think people are becoming overwhelmed by it all and just turning off. So I guess the government is too. But I wonder how long it will take for feminists to run out of things to research and lobby for?

I think perhaps the feminists have achieved so much for women .. That they perhaps are now thinking that the only way they can expand is by moving into the mens world too..

Or is that just too wierd to consider?

I think not personally! Its like all big things, it wants to grow, and grow, and grow..

The research agenda is so corrupt that i routinely disbelieve all statistics prefering to judge from my own world-view..

One serious peice of research I was thinking of doing was an analysis of "mra" opinions, motivations, life experineces, etc..

Because, I dont think that the "voices" of the MRA are actually speaking for the folk who may support or class themselves as MRA's..

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Yes, but Marx, you answered Drex's questions, but I'm still waiting on an answer as to why Rob's infraction had one infraction point attatched to it, but Ninjamaster's infraction had zero, when Ninjamaster deserved it more.

Enough already Luke. You feel that ninjahampster deserved more, we get it. Marx made the decision as it stands. You had a more personal attachment to the situation, Marx did not. Just let it go. There are much more important things to do than bicker on about who got more naughty points.... mmmkay?

TMOTS

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There are much more important things to do than bicker on about who got more naughty points.... mmmkay?

Quite right - in fact, I wasn't even aware Luke had asked me that question..?

Quote from LukeSkywalker

Yes, but Marx, you answered Drex's questions, but I'm still waiting on an answer as to why Rob's infraction had one infraction point attatched to it, but Ninjamaster's infraction had zero, when Ninjamaster deserved it more.

I did not set the infraction on Rob - the point was not my doing. On the other hand, I'm not about to undo a point handed out by another admin, because in my opinion - it was deserved due to the extremity of the attack. As for ninjahamster, as TMOTS pointed out - that was somewhat personal in your case, if he continues (frequently) in the same manner - it will eventually result in a ban.