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Jennifer fights Gay Marriage

From Jennifer Roback Morse's newsletter
Let the differences between you and your spouse become a source of strength. It is a scientifically proven fact that men and women differ in significant ways. Appreciate and use these differences, rather than fight over them.
Men and women compliment each other and together make a great team, especially when it comes to raising children.
Forward this message to others who would benefit by using the "Forward" button at the bottom of the page. All Best Wishes for a Happier Marriage! Sincerely, Dr. J
The Problem with Gay Marriage
Last week I was able to deliver the following statement before the San Diego City Council. The Council was considering whether to add the City of San Diego's name to a Friend of the Court brief supporting a case in favor of same sex marriage, currently pending before the California Supreme Court.
Next week, I will be going to Canada to do a briefing for their Members of Parliament about why cohabitation is not the same as marriage. I mention that to indicate that my primary job is to straighten out the straight people. And believe me, it is a full-time job. I am here today to explain why I believe instituting same sex marriage will make that job immeasurably more difficult. The needs of same sex couples and opposite sex couples would both be better served by having distinct institutional arrangements, rather than by trying to have one institution serve the needs of both groups.

Opposite sex couples have children, without any specific intervention by the state. Same sex couples can not have children without specific legal institutions in place to do two things: first, the rights of at least one of the genetic parents must be terminated. Second, at least one member of the same sex couple must have parental rights specifically assigned to them.

The advocates of same sex marriage hope that "marriage" will allow them to skip these steps. They hope, for instance, that any child born to either member of a lesbian couple will be presumed to be the child of both. But that requires that somehow, the male contributor to the conception of the child must be safely out of the way. That step still has to be taken, no matter what kind of union the members of the lesbian couple have with each other. Renaming their relationship should not be enough to invalidate the father's rights to his child.

In practice, there are two possible things that can happen with the opposite sex parent. Either that parent will be considered legally superfluous. Or, the child can have three parents, the two same sex parents, plus the cooperating opposite sex parent.

Neither of these options are particularly good for children. We know that children thrive when they are raised by two married parents. We know that children suffer specific kinds of losses from the absence of their mother or from the absence of their father. And we know that children in step-families have a specific set of emotional and behavioral risks. We can only imagine how those problems would be compounded in the event of three, rather than two, legal parents juggling the children from one home to another, disputing about custody schedules and fighting over child support.

These are some of the negative outcomes we can expect from trying to make marriage into a gender-neutral institution that applies identically to same sex and opposite sex couples.

1. Triple parenting will emerge, as it has already done in both Canada and Pennsylvania.

2. The state will have to determine, not just record, parentage of same sex couples. If same sex marriage is really treated as the equivalent of opposite sex marriage, that authority will be extended to cover opposite sex couples as well.

3. There will no longer be "natural parents," only "legal parents." In Spain, the birth certificates were changed from "mother" and "father" to "Progenitor A" and "Progenitor B." In Canada, the birth certificates were changed from "natural mother" and "natural father" to "legal parent A" and "legal parent B."

4. Same sex marriage will further the process of marginalizing men from the family. If children don't really need one parent of each gender, the natural conclusion will be that fathers, not mothers, are disposable.

Legally recognizing same sex marriage will destabilize the legal determination of parentage. In cases in both Canada, which has legal same sex marriage, and Pennsylvania, which does not, courts have recognized three adults as legal parents. In the Pennsylvania case, Jacob v. Schulz-Jacob, the two members of the estranged lesbian couple as well as the biological father, all dispute one another's rights and responsibilities. The children have all the trauma of divorce, multiplied. They have visitation with three adults, none of whom live together, none of whom are cooperating with each other. It is a psychologist's nightmare.

We have all seen children of divorced parents shuttling from one household to another. If same sex marriage comes to California, we will be seeing children going among three or even more parents. I urge you to vote against this resolution. Picture a little girl, going from her mom's house to her mom's former partner's house, to her dad's, to her dad's former partner's. Those little children, with their backpacks and their sleeping bags, will be on your head, if the resolution supporting same sex marriage passes.

I speak on behalf of the many supporters of traditional marriage who are arrayed in this room. We come from all the major faith traditions, and no religion at all. But we are united in two core beliefs.

1. We believe that men and women are different in socially significant ways. We believe that mothers and fathers are not perfectly interchangeable. The advocates of same sex marriage must insist that gender is irrelevant to parenting.

2. We believe that something is owed to the child. We believe that every child is entitled to be born into a family of the mother and father who brought them into being through an act of love. Every child is entitled to a relationship with both parents.

Like many others here today, I am devoted to helping opposite sex couples see the importance of life-long married love. Our efforts would be greatly hampered by a judgement of the state saying adults are entitled to cut off a child's relationship with one of his parents at birth, and that the child should be indifferent as to whether he has both parents or not.

That is why we have come here today: to speak on behalf of those children yet to be born, to affirm our commitment to the principle that every child deserves a mother and a father.



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Re: Jennifer fights Gay Marriage

Well said

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Re: Jennifer fights Gay Marriage

gay marraige my arse!


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The Oxford Dictionary defines "perverse" as: Persistent in error; different from what is reasonable or required; peevish; perverted, wicked; (of verdict) against weight of evidence .........

The Oxford Dictionary defines "pervert" as: Turn aside (thing) from its proper use or nature; misconstrue, misapply, (words etc); lead astray (person, mind) from right opinion or conduct ..........

Cock up Bum SexAnal sex is not natural, how do we know. It is a form of sexual intercourse considered to be particularly risky, for a number of reasons related to the vulnerability of the tissues and the septic nature of the anus. The anus is also the site of potential infections and other conditions including cancer.

If we look back at the dawn of man and woman we see two people without the knowledge of hygiene one zit. So natural in her wisdom had to assure that the man did not penetrate the woman’s anus and then her vagina the following would have resulted in anal cancer, abscess, warts, fistula, anal fissure, itching and haemorrhoid. Death of a pregnancy or both. The human race would have faulted in it’s progress. [IMG]file:///C:/Users/Dad/AppData/Local/Microsoft/Windows/Temporary%20Internet%20Files/WebTempDir/9123636d.jpg[/IMG]


Picture on right is shit. Anilingus (involving sexual pleasure through human faeces this also includes the eating of faeces this results in viral hepatitis and parasitic intestinal infections such as giardiasis, cryptosporidiosis, shigellosis, amebiasis and campylobacter.)

Nature therefore never intend the bum to be a sexual organ. The anus does not have any self lubrication at all as does the vagina, the anus does not have protection as does the vagina.

Anal sexual activity need not include penetration. The anus also plays an important role in face sitting, coprophilia and anilingus (involving sexual pleasure through human faeces this also includes the eating of faeces this results in viral hepatitis and parasitic intestinal infections such as giardiasis, cryptosporidiosis, shigellosis, amebiasis and campylobacter.)

From a health standpoint, anal-oral contact may carry serious risks because of the presence of bacteria, viruses or parasites on or in the anus or rectum.


Applying the mouth to the genitals immediately after applying it to the anus can inadvertently introduce the bacterium Escherichia coli ("E. coli") into the urethra, causing a urinary tract infection. Unprotected anal-oral contact also involves the risk of contracting sexually transmitted diseases, such as genital herpes or intestinal parasites.

Damaged anal sphincter (patulous anus in more severe cases) — caused by careless or sometimes necessarily sacrificial surgery in the perineal region or by rough/abrupt penetration in anal sex — can lead to flatus and/or faecal incontinence, chronic constipation and, ultimately, megacolon.

Penetration with a penis or sex toy can irritate or tear the inside of the anus. Lubrication is often recommended to ease penetration. The risk of injury to the anal sphincter should be a concern, which can lead on to lack of control of defecation and faecal incontinence. Similarly if the anus is torn, this can occasionally cause a fistula formation which can not only cause faecal leaking, but also can be very difficult to treat.

Natural selection is the evolutionary process by which favourable traits that are heritable become more common in successive generations of a population of reproducing organisms, and unfavourable traits that are heritable become less common.


The Kinsey Reports found that approximately four percent of adult Americans were exclusively homosexual for their entire lives, and approximately 10 percent were homosexual in their behaviour for some portion of their lives.

Bieber (1976) stated:
Since 1962 when our volume was published, I have interviewed about 1,000 male homosexuals and 50 pairs of parents of homosexuals. The classic pattern was present in more than 90% of cases. In my entire experience, I have never interviewed a single male homosexual who had a constructive, loving father. A son who has a loving father who respects him does not become a homosexual. I have concluded that there is a causal relationship between parental influence and sexual choice

The term ‘homosexuality’ was coined in the late 19th century by a German psychologist, Karoly Maria

It is also a fact that when a man licks another mans bum he ingests a great many thread worms.

Bieber (1976) stated:
Since 1962 when our volume was published, I have interviewed about 1,000 male homosexuals and 50 pairs of parents of homosexuals. The classic pattern was present in more than 90% of cases. In my entire experience, I have never interviewed a single male homosexual who had a constructive, loving father. A son who has a loving father who respects him does not become a homosexual. I have concluded that there is a causal relationship between parental influence and sexual choice.



 
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